Comments on: Uncle Sam and UFOs http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/us-government-ufo/ UFO News, Views, and More Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:58:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Snappy http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/us-government-ufo/#comment-2424 Snappy Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:45:22 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/us-government-ufo/#comment-2424 A final offering from me in this thread comes from Caryn Anscom's Trickster Tales at Starstream Research which quotes a released usg intelligence agency document that confirms that there was once an official interest in keeping tabs on UFO groups for the reasons mentioned above. Reasons that stem from the old Cold War paradigm that such groups could be useful to the extent that they might uncover exotic 'enemy' hardware and mis-identify it as UFOs (etc,.). I agree with Greg that government revelations are unlikely to herald 'Disclosure'. The furtherance of other agendum has to be the case but I reiterate - in the 21st Century they can no longer run such disinformation operations as the Project Serpo 'gambit' and justify mal-adroit harrassment behind that old 'Cold War'rubric. Snaphappy A final offering from me in this thread comes from Caryn Anscom’s Trickster Tales at Starstream Research which quotes a released usg intelligence agency document that confirms that there was once an official interest in keeping tabs on UFO groups for the reasons mentioned above. Reasons that stem from the old Cold War paradigm that such groups could be useful to the extent that they might uncover exotic ‘enemy’ hardware and mis-identify it as UFOs (etc,.).

I agree with Greg that government revelations are unlikely to herald ‘Disclosure’. The furtherance of other agendum has to be the case but I reiterate - in the 21st Century they can no longer run such disinformation operations as the Project Serpo ‘gambit’ and justify mal-adroit harrassment behind that old ‘Cold War’rubric.
Snaphappy

]]> By: Greg Bishop http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/us-government-ufo/#comment-2388 Greg Bishop Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:34:03 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/us-government-ufo/#comment-2388 Snappy, I'm not sure what the grain of truth is at the heart of these stories, but I have a feeling that it is not that the government is keeping aliens in captivity, or have a secret agreement with them, etc. The one former "aviary" member that believes that many UFO buffs are mentally ill is referring I think to the fact that belief drives their search for the "truth," when it should be driven by open-minded inquiry. UFO revelations from the government (at least the more sensationalistic ones) are probably not any attempt at "disclosure," but are efforts in furtherance of different ends. Snappy,

I’m not sure what the grain of truth is at the heart of these stories, but I have a feeling that it is not that the government is keeping aliens in captivity, or have a secret agreement with them, etc.

The one former “aviary” member that believes that many UFO buffs are mentally ill is referring I think to the fact that belief drives their search for the “truth,” when it should be driven by open-minded inquiry.

UFO revelations from the government (at least the more sensationalistic ones) are probably not any attempt at “disclosure,” but are efforts in furtherance of different ends.

]]> By: Snappy http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/us-government-ufo/#comment-2384 Snappy Sun, 17 Jun 2007 19:42:53 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/us-government-ufo/#comment-2384 Yes Greg and I totally got what you said. For my part I'm trying to understand (if the assumption that the grain of truth in the core story is a reality) what purpose is now served by running the game, apparently, still in terms of providing enough rope for outside investigators to discredit themselves by false elaboration. In the light of the fact that France, Mexico and at least one very senior Canadian government minister have taken a more overt stance on the release of info and material I'm at a loss to account for the usg leakers running what appears only to be a psy-op. The Russo article tended to take the view that the usg leakers do not know what the core element of the story is. One of them actually believes a very large percentage of those interested in this type of material are mentally ill. So I'm uncertain as to why they are running this game. Who could doubt what you say is true, that they are clueless about some aspects of the phenomenon. I'm in doubt as to how this subject, or the tailored release of some elements of it actually is a valuable intelligence tool. von Snappyratz Yes Greg and I totally got what you said. For my part I’m trying to understand (if the assumption that the grain of truth in the core story is a reality) what purpose is now served by running the game, apparently, still in terms of providing enough rope for outside investigators to discredit themselves by false elaboration.
In the light of the fact that France, Mexico and at least one very senior Canadian government minister have taken a more overt stance on the release of info and material I’m at a loss to account for the usg leakers running what appears only to be a psy-op. The Russo article tended to take the view that the usg leakers do not know what the core element of the story is. One of them actually believes a very large percentage of those interested in this type of material are mentally ill. So I’m uncertain as to why they are running this game. Who could doubt what you say is true, that they are clueless about some aspects of the phenomenon. I’m in doubt as to how this subject, or the tailored release of some elements of it actually is a valuable intelligence tool.
von Snappyratz

]]> By: Greg Bishop http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/us-government-ufo/#comment-2383 Greg Bishop Sun, 17 Jun 2007 05:59:56 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/us-government-ufo/#comment-2383 Snappy, I tried to imply that various departments of the U.S. government may know much more than the populace when it comes to the UFO subject, but they are clueless when it comes to explaining or controlling the phenomenon. I believe that they do however, know how to use the subject as a valuable intelligence tool. Please see <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/what-government-know-ufo/" rel="nofollow">my</a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/government-ufo-conclusion/" rel="nofollow">posts</a> on this for more on my opinions about the intel/ UFO game. Snappy,

I tried to imply that various departments of the U.S. government may know much more than the populace when it comes to the UFO subject, but they are clueless when it comes to explaining or controlling the phenomenon. I believe that they do however, know how to use the subject as a valuable intelligence tool.
Please see my posts on this for more on my opinions about the intel/ UFO game.

]]> By: Snappy http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/us-government-ufo/#comment-2379 Snappy Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:35:34 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/us-government-ufo/#comment-2379 I don't understand what the reason for government security and intelligence infiltration of UFO groups could be. Either they are concerned to secretly monitor investigation of the ETH out of a genuine interest in the truth, or they do so to ensure they have advanced warning of possible discovery by these civilian organizations of issues and facts that are still considered too sensitive. Could they be so reactionary as to consider the themes of the Brookings Institute report in the sixties as still being relevant in the 21stC. ? Can they be so foolish and 'sensitive' as to believe that 'disclosure'would unhinge social order? Or was that simply a camouflage for wanting to maintain a status quo wherein they owe their existence to the support provided by the current power monopolies? Maybe the long-awaited second volume of Richard Dolan's, UFOs And the National Security State will reveal more on governmental 'attitudes'. Who knows, maybe this apparent hard-sell volte face from the supposed insiders is all about damage control over a 'limited hang-out'exercise over which they lost the ability to control the flow and dissemination of information? Flavius Snappicus. I don’t understand what the reason for government security and intelligence infiltration of UFO groups could be.

Either they are concerned to secretly monitor investigation of the ETH out of a genuine interest in the truth, or they do so to ensure they have advanced warning of possible discovery by these civilian organizations of issues and facts that are still considered too sensitive. Could they be so reactionary as to consider the themes of the Brookings Institute report in the sixties as still being relevant in the 21stC. ? Can they be so foolish and ’sensitive’ as to believe that ‘disclosure’would unhinge social order? Or was that simply a camouflage for wanting to maintain a status quo wherein they owe their existence to the support provided by the current power monopolies?

Maybe the long-awaited second volume of Richard Dolan’s, UFOs And the National Security State will reveal more on governmental ‘attitudes’.

Who knows, maybe this apparent hard-sell volte face from the supposed insiders is all about damage control over a ‘limited hang-out’exercise over which they lost the ability to control the flow and dissemination of information?
Flavius Snappicus.

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