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		<title>By: euphemystic</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/unprovable-ufos/#comment-3636</link>
		<dc:creator>euphemystic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we could be called "Alien Adductors"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we could be called &#8220;Alien Adductors&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mister ecks</title>
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		<dc:creator>mister ecks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I was in a state where I was not under my own command” he said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I was in a state where I was not under my own command” he said.</p>
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		<title>By: reganlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>reganlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great post! Not much I can add to it; just ... thanks for saying it. Lots of good comments by others too.

I love all that Contactee, humanoid, and other weird flying saucer stuff, because, yes damnit, it &lt;i&gt;is &lt;/i&gt; fun. All kinds of other levels as well, but there is the fun factor, and so what? Why not? (not that I'm spamming or shamelessly plugging, but that's why I started my Vintage UFO blog -- just for fun!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great post! Not much I can add to it; just &#8230; thanks for saying it. Lots of good comments by others too.</p>
<p>I love all that Contactee, humanoid, and other weird flying saucer stuff, because, yes damnit, it <i>is </i> fun. All kinds of other levels as well, but there is the fun factor, and so what? Why not? (not that I&#8217;m spamming or shamelessly plugging, but that&#8217;s why I started my Vintage UFO blog &#8212; just for fun!)</p>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
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		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here we go:  August, 21, 2007, Peruvian vision posted on a blog:

Green points of light appeared in front of me, like a dot matrix. They combined and made the skeleton of an archway and ceiling, a sort of luminous green skeleton of a cathedral ceiling. I opened my eyes: They lights didn’t disappear.
They didn’t last long either. In a few minutes I found myself in utter darkness, eyes opened or shut. I saw bright fruit handing from trees and realized I was in a forest full of trees bearing mangos, papayas and bananas. I reached for one of the bananas. To my surprise it began to peel itself. Instead of a banana it revealed a small beautiful reddish-brown monkey with shining eyes. It began to grin and I felt myself grinning back. But the monkey’s grin kept growing wider until it was a hideous, jabbering mouth screaming obscenities that broke off finally into a sort of insane laughter.
I recoiled and opened my eyes. I’d never had such a dream-like vision while using ayahuasca before. But when I closed my eyes the image returned. It laughed at me and when it did finally disappear it was followed by a series of visions I can only describe as a trip through a funhouse of desires and fears. I was in a place of roller coasters and huge slides. Faces appeared out of the darkness while I rode on the rides. There were demons and beautiful women. There were funhouse mirrors in which I saw a thousand versions of myself—some normal distortions, and some in which I watched myself—or was forced to relive—some of the worst things I’d ever done. It was a strange and haunting voyage, altogether different than what I’d expected or anticipated.
The women were cartoonish and sexy, with huge breasts and round hips and dark Peruvian eyes. They called to me. I wanted to be with them. All of them. And then I found myself as a tiny me facing a huge inverted ‘V’. It was a luscious vagina seen from below on a giantess of some sort. I began to hurtle towards her. As I grew close she turned and I realized to my horror that it wasn’t a woman at all, but a giant with a giant penis. I thought of the sexual connotations of the monkey in the banana peel and resigned myself to the homophobic implications of the naked giant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we go:  August, 21, 2007, Peruvian vision posted on a blog:</p>
<p>Green points of light appeared in front of me, like a dot matrix. They combined and made the skeleton of an archway and ceiling, a sort of luminous green skeleton of a cathedral ceiling. I opened my eyes: They lights didn’t disappear.<br />
They didn’t last long either. In a few minutes I found myself in utter darkness, eyes opened or shut. I saw bright fruit handing from trees and realized I was in a forest full of trees bearing mangos, papayas and bananas. I reached for one of the bananas. To my surprise it began to peel itself. Instead of a banana it revealed a small beautiful reddish-brown monkey with shining eyes. It began to grin and I felt myself grinning back. But the monkey’s grin kept growing wider until it was a hideous, jabbering mouth screaming obscenities that broke off finally into a sort of insane laughter.<br />
I recoiled and opened my eyes. I’d never had such a dream-like vision while using ayahuasca before. But when I closed my eyes the image returned. It laughed at me and when it did finally disappear it was followed by a series of visions I can only describe as a trip through a funhouse of desires and fears. I was in a place of roller coasters and huge slides. Faces appeared out of the darkness while I rode on the rides. There were demons and beautiful women. There were funhouse mirrors in which I saw a thousand versions of myself—some normal distortions, and some in which I watched myself—or was forced to relive—some of the worst things I’d ever done. It was a strange and haunting voyage, altogether different than what I’d expected or anticipated.<br />
The women were cartoonish and sexy, with huge breasts and round hips and dark Peruvian eyes. They called to me. I wanted to be with them. All of them. And then I found myself as a tiny me facing a huge inverted ‘V’. It was a luscious vagina seen from below on a giantess of some sort. I began to hurtle towards her. As I grew close she turned and I realized to my horror that it wasn’t a woman at all, but a giant with a giant penis. I thought of the sexual connotations of the monkey in the banana peel and resigned myself to the homophobic implications of the naked giant.</p>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
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		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well in my research I have discovered that Amazonian shamans (including Peru) eat specifically only bananas or fish before going on vision quest -- because bananas have such a high serotonin content.  In fact bananas are now scientifically recommended to treat depression.

There's a popular belief that serotonin in the stomach can not pass the blood-brain barrier to turn into melatonin and then DMT but in fact, as the book "The Tangled Wing" (Harvard physiologist) details -- if the serotonin is IONIZED then it does pass the blood-brain barrier.

Trance music, through natural overtones creating ultrasound, will ionize banana serotonin and quite possibly such visions would be guided by the subconscious desire of bananas.

For example the Somalians in Minneapolis all eat at least one banana a day but as I've noticed, and also practice, we're quick to cut that phallus symbol up lest it contaminate our meal with homoerotic messages!

And Greg your banana, although clothed, appears to have no shame.  Seriously just as Freud was wrong about cigars (he had such a fetish he got jaw cancer) I doubt that a banana could be sexless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well in my research I have discovered that Amazonian shamans (including Peru) eat specifically only bananas or fish before going on vision quest &#8212; because bananas have such a high serotonin content.  In fact bananas are now scientifically recommended to treat depression.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a popular belief that serotonin in the stomach can not pass the blood-brain barrier to turn into melatonin and then DMT but in fact, as the book &#8220;The Tangled Wing&#8221; (Harvard physiologist) details &#8212; if the serotonin is IONIZED then it does pass the blood-brain barrier.</p>
<p>Trance music, through natural overtones creating ultrasound, will ionize banana serotonin and quite possibly such visions would be guided by the subconscious desire of bananas.</p>
<p>For example the Somalians in Minneapolis all eat at least one banana a day but as I&#8217;ve noticed, and also practice, we&#8217;re quick to cut that phallus symbol up lest it contaminate our meal with homoerotic messages!</p>
<p>And Greg your banana, although clothed, appears to have no shame.  Seriously just as Freud was wrong about cigars (he had such a fetish he got jaw cancer) I doubt that a banana could be sexless.</p>
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		<title>By: wintermuse X9</title>
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		<dc:creator>wintermuse X9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not original, but I recall the early name of a publication that transmuted into Mondo2000:

Reality Hackers. [?]

I'll keep trying...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not original, but I recall the early name of a publication that transmuted into Mondo2000:</p>
<p>Reality Hackers. [?]</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep trying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: wintermuse X9</title>
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		<dc:creator>wintermuse X9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PowerNormals? AlterViewers? Those two sound a bit like software package names, especially with the midline capitalization and lack of word spacing, like VisiCalc or EasyWriter, which are early software app names. 

I'll give this idea some thought. The only thing that occurred right away is
that we are "anomalists", or maybe "scanners."

Heh. I know. Not enough public marketing appeal to meme its way into MS consciousness. I'll try to think of something better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PowerNormals? AlterViewers? Those two sound a bit like software package names, especially with the midline capitalization and lack of word spacing, like VisiCalc or EasyWriter, which are early software app names. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give this idea some thought. The only thing that occurred right away is<br />
that we are &#8220;anomalists&#8221;, or maybe &#8220;scanners.&#8221;</p>
<p>Heh. I know. Not enough public marketing appeal to meme its way into MS consciousness. I&#8217;ll try to think of something better.</p>
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		<title>By: red pill junkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>red pill junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Templar, you're right. What I meant this is a hobby for &lt;b&gt;not just&lt;/b&gt; anyone! ;-)

Hey, it just came to me! How about &lt;b&gt;AlterViewers&lt;/b&gt; as a name for our kind? Because we like to delve with alternative points of views instead of going with mainstream propositions. I think it's got potential :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Templar, you&#8217;re right. What I meant this is a hobby for <b>not just</b> anyone! <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hey, it just came to me! How about <b>AlterViewers</b> as a name for our kind? Because we like to delve with alternative points of views instead of going with mainstream propositions. I think it&#8217;s got potential <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: uv777bk</title>
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		<dc:creator>uv777bk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said all!

Although I started out late, there is nothing more fun and addictive than reading about the unknown.  The unknown pretty much covers a lot but I mostly read about UFOs, Cryptids, and theoretical physics.

There is something wonderful about altering one's own mind-set on a regular bases; I think I'd go mad with boredom if I didn't try to make that happen :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said all!</p>
<p>Although I started out late, there is nothing more fun and addictive than reading about the unknown.  The unknown pretty much covers a lot but I mostly read about UFOs, Cryptids, and theoretical physics.</p>
<p>There is something wonderful about altering one&#8217;s own mind-set on a regular bases; I think I&#8217;d go mad with boredom if I didn&#8217;t try to make that happen <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: TemplarScribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>TemplarScribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red Pill,

You said, "This is a hobby that does not appeal to anyone," by which I'm sure you meant, "does not appeal to EVERYone," to which I wholeheartedly agree. 

There are many people out there (no pun intended) who enjoy, even thrive on hunting down the mysterious and significant. The possibility that many UFO sightings represent real events and physical objects is what either attracts or repels the average observer, depending on whether they believe the reports or not.

To Greg's original comments, I've come across a number of skeptics who claim they need irrefutable proof -- usually first-person, hands-on proof -- before they accept ANYthing dealing with UFOs. The fact that they already accept many theories in the real world without such concrete evidence usually seems to go right over their heads.

As far as self-splitting banana-amoeba creatures, it's interesting that many regions across the globe seem to have their own unique type of visitors. The blond Nordics of South America rarely seem to visit Russia, whereas the Russia-visiting giants with little biddy heads never seem to want to hit Rio in the summer.

It suggests that perhaps there is some sort of system that has split up the planet into different regions, with predominant alien types viewed more often in certain areas.

That doesn't necessarily mean that there are select races who predominate these regions. It may be as many researchers have suggested, that the UFO and alien experience is subjective, and as Vallee has written, may be somehow connected to certain geographic regions. 

Where demons and angels might have once reigned, we now view saucers and little gray clones. Although, those that do receive these visits or visions, depending on your POV, are rarely the skeptic nor the true believer, but those in between with the willingness and the capacity to accept new experiences.

As far as names for those of us interested in the paranormal, the best I can come up with is "the PowerNormals." 

I know,I know, I'll keep working on it.

-- TemplarScribe
http://www.MichaelDelving.com
http://www.EternalHorizons.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red Pill,</p>
<p>You said, &#8220;This is a hobby that does not appeal to anyone,&#8221; by which I&#8217;m sure you meant, &#8220;does not appeal to EVERYone,&#8221; to which I wholeheartedly agree. </p>
<p>There are many people out there (no pun intended) who enjoy, even thrive on hunting down the mysterious and significant. The possibility that many UFO sightings represent real events and physical objects is what either attracts or repels the average observer, depending on whether they believe the reports or not.</p>
<p>To Greg&#8217;s original comments, I&#8217;ve come across a number of skeptics who claim they need irrefutable proof &#8212; usually first-person, hands-on proof &#8212; before they accept ANYthing dealing with UFOs. The fact that they already accept many theories in the real world without such concrete evidence usually seems to go right over their heads.</p>
<p>As far as self-splitting banana-amoeba creatures, it&#8217;s interesting that many regions across the globe seem to have their own unique type of visitors. The blond Nordics of South America rarely seem to visit Russia, whereas the Russia-visiting giants with little biddy heads never seem to want to hit Rio in the summer.</p>
<p>It suggests that perhaps there is some sort of system that has split up the planet into different regions, with predominant alien types viewed more often in certain areas.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that there are select races who predominate these regions. It may be as many researchers have suggested, that the UFO and alien experience is subjective, and as Vallee has written, may be somehow connected to certain geographic regions. </p>
<p>Where demons and angels might have once reigned, we now view saucers and little gray clones. Although, those that do receive these visits or visions, depending on your POV, are rarely the skeptic nor the true believer, but those in between with the willingness and the capacity to accept new experiences.</p>
<p>As far as names for those of us interested in the paranormal, the best I can come up with is &#8220;the PowerNormals.&#8221; </p>
<p>I know,I know, I&#8217;ll keep working on it.</p>
<p>&#8211; TemplarScribe<br />
<a href="http://www.MichaelDelving.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.MichaelDelving.com</a><br />
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