TAUTOLOGY. Love this stuff. More please.

You should know, since that is all you have done so far.

Still waiting (and probably will wait forever) for you to describe ANY method or belief or philosophy that you believe in that can offer or has ever been offered that can give results like science has…

The word “treatment” does not appear in that article. Those are your words, not theirs. The article is exactly about what I have described to you before: the EFFECTS of believing something works (placebo) on the remission of cancer, but it cannot actually cure anything and it is random in its effect because the number of cancer patients who also practice Qi Gong AND have their cancer go into remission are very rare. Furthermore, what they have done is conduct a study, not an experiment, therefore their results are theoretical and not demonstration.

If you want a treatment that is proven to work and has a higher success rate, Qi Gong obviously would not be the way to go.

That’s a blatant and obvious lie. What I clearly and actually said was NAME one academic database that takes that supports Qi Gong in the sense that you have been doing. I know there is no such thing and your inability to contradict my claim by NAMING just one only proves my point all the more.

“2) I have not read the FATE UFO Special book and therefore will contradict what you have stated it contains”

I would read FATE if it was a peer reviewed science journal, but it isn’t. It is entertainment for the gullible and not the scientific pursuit of truth.

And it isn’t I that contradicts your blind faith assertions, but facts. All one has to do is read Wikipedia on ANY topic you’ve mentioned to know what you’ve claimed has all been pseudoscientific nonsense. For example, look up “stomach” and see if serotonin appears anywhere in there. Look up pineal gland and see if “laser” shows up there anywhere. Look up hologram and see if “holographic laser” appears there anywhere. The only place ANY of the nonsense concepts/terms you used in your last post appear, is in your blogs.

“3) The difference between sound and ultrasound, electrochemicals and electromagnetic fields is something called TRANSDUCTION and is based on resonance”

Not even close. You are claiming there is a DIFFERENCE between the three but instead of describing the difference between them, you proceed to describe what you think is in COMMON with those three things — once again using terms that are completely out-of-place and inappropriate for the definitions that are given to them in the dictionary.

BTW, humans are incapable of perceiving electromagnetic fields and transduction is a BIOLOGICAL process that is based on chemistry, not “vibrations”. Again you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the meaning of the words you choose.

Author(s): Yan X (Yan, Xin), Shen H (Shen, Hua), Jiang HJ (Jiang, Hongjian), Zhang CS (Zhang, Chengsheng), Hu D (Hu, Dan), Wang J (Wang, Jun), Wu XQ (Wu, Xinqi)
Source: MOLECULAR AND CELLULAR BIOCHEMISTRY Volume: 310 Issue: 1-2 Pages: 227-234 Published: MAR 2008
Times Cited: 0 References: 52
Abstract: Long-term clinical observations and ongoing studies have shown antitumor effects of external Qi of Yan Xin Qigong (YXQG-EQ) that originated from traditional Chinese medicine (TCM). In order to understand the molecular mechanisms underlying the antitumor effects of YXQG-EQ, we investigate the effects of YXQG-EQ on growth and apoptosis in androgen-independent prostate cancer PC3 cells. We found that exposure to YXQG-EQ led to G2/M arrest associated with reduced cyclin B1 expression and apoptosis in PC3 cells. YXQG-EQ treatment inhibited constitutive and epidermal growth factor-induced Akt phosphorylation, basal and TNF-alpha-induced NF-kappa B activation, and downregulated anti-apoptotic Bcl-2 and Bcl-xL expression. In contrast, exposure to YXQG-EQ increased phosphorylation of Akt and Erk1/2 in human umbilical vein endothelial cells (HUVEC), and had no cytotoxic effect on either HUVEC or peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMC). These results indicate that YXQG-EQ has profound effects on growth and apoptosis of prostate cancer cells by targeting survival pathways including the Akt and NF-kappa B pathways.
Document Type: Article
Language: English
Author Keywords: Akt; NF-kappa B; prostate cancer; G2; M arrest; apoptosis; external Qi of Yan Xin Qigong
KeyWords Plus: SIGNALING PATHWAY; CARCINOMA-CELLS; 3-KINASE/AKT PATHWAY; TRANSCRIPTION FACTOR; CASPASE ACTIVATION; GROWTH ARREST; PC3 CELLS; BCL-XL; KINASE; SURVIVAL
Addresses: Wu, XQ (reprint author), Harvard Univ, Sch Med, Brigham & Womens Hosp, Boston, MA 02115 USA
Harvard Univ, Sch Med, Brigham & Womens Hosp, Boston, MA 02115 USA
Inst Chongqing Tradit Chinese Med, Chongqing, Peoples R China
New Med Sci Res Inst, New York, NY USA
McMaster Univ, Hamilton, ON Canada
Harvard Univ, Sch Med, Dana Farber Canc Inst, Boston, MA 02115 USA

1) I refuse to search “qigong” in an academic database (available at any library) because I support science. A blatant contradiction I understand, but please bear with my special psychological needs here.

2) I have not read the FATE UFO Special book and therefore will contradict what you have stated it contains. I also refuse to read said book because I’m very glib about my ignorance. Nor will I just openly ask you for further details which could be quoted from the book, because that might suggest that I’m willing to learn.

3) The difference between sound and ultrasound, electrochemicals and electromagnetic fields is something called TRANSDUCTION and is based on resonance. That I don’t understand this difference shows that I don’t grasp basic concepts of science.

That about sums up your position Sage — a complete buffoon!!

I censored your 4th point since it was too dirty.

Then name one academic database or Harvard doctor from a neuroscience journal that supports qigong in the sense that you have been doing. Your complete inability to do that will tell us all we need to know about the validity of your alleged references.

“Qigong master Chunyi Lin says his healing rate for cancer is better than 90%”

So he says but talk is cheap.

“As I stated qigong is just one example of healing using the principles of nonwestern music”

As I stated, there is no evidence that qigong or Chunyi Li works any better than a placebo or doing nothing at all.

“It’s pretty clear-cut. The results are that sound turns into ultrasound which ionizes the electrochemicals to create blissful heat, so that the serotonin normally stored in the stomach, then bypasses the blood-brain barrier, via the vagus nerve. After this occurs further ionization creates electromagnetic fields and finally light is produced by the pineal gland. When the energy is stored in the body and strong enough then the pineal gland will create a holographic laser which is transmitted via a signal as ‘pure’ consciousness”

Yeah, that is a pretty clear cut case of pseudoscientific New Age sales pitch that has nothing to do with showing us a method or belief or philosophy that YOU can offer or has ever been offered that can give results like science has. Nothing you’ve said has anything to do with logic, reason, or reality. In fact, it is quite the opposite…

1) Ultrasound and sound are already the same thing…or are you saying that Chunyi Li teaches you that sound turns into sound?
2) The body has no electrochemicals except for those which are in the nerves and any direct heating of the nerves is painful, not blissful
3) Serotonin is only created in the brain on an as needed basis, so it is never stored nor is there any need to store it
4) The stomach has no capability to store anything but food
5) The only place to bypass the blood-brain barrier is at the barrier where the blood and the brain meet, and seeing as the vagus nerve does not even enter the brain, it cannot be used to bypass the blood-brain barrier
6) The loudest possible sine wave sound in the world (190dBA) is not enough to ionize anything
7) The pineal gland has never been observed to emit any light, much less laser light
There is no such thing as a “holographic laser”. A hologram is a recording of the interference of two ordinary lasers on a single object
9) There is no such thing as “pure consciousness”

Maybe what you meant to say was that your car cannot do 60MPH with a doghouse that has wings because bananas have no bones? That makes just as much sense as what you just said and it is just as factual.

“Why did I specify ‘pure’ — because as I stated it can not be repeated using machines and symmetric-based science”

One can say that about any type of real life consciousness so what’s the difference between your make believe version and real life again?

“Just to bring this back to the UFO issue — I just finished FATE’s UFO SPECIAL book and there’s an article about top-secret ‘asymmetric’ capacitors”

If it is so secret, how come we know about it?

“So you get electromagnetic propulsion with lift as thrust. This is EXACTLY how qigong works”

Lift and thrust are not the same thing. Lift is a pull and thrust is a push…or are you saying that Chunyi Li teaches you that a pull is a push? Does Chunyi Li also teach you that black is white and white is black…and you believe him?

You cannot prove one make believe thing using another make believe thing. The contents of FATE are not an example of a peer reviewed scientific journal. Like most grocery store tabloids, it probably was mostly written for entertainment purposes only.

There is no such thing as “asymmetric capacitors” or “flux capacitors”, so that really is an example of EXACTLY how QiGong, Chunyi Lin, and UFOs don’t work.

Qigong master Chunyi Lin says his healing rate for cancer is better than 90% — hardly comparable to a placebo. As I stated qigong is just one example of healing using the principles of nonwestern music, whereby frequency as energy intensity resonates through complementary opposites, not symmetric-based math.

It’s pretty clear-cut. The results are that sound turns into ultrasound which ionizes the electrochemicals to create blissful heat, so that the serotonin normally stored in the stomach, then bypasses the blood-brain barrier, via the vagus nerve. After this occurs further ionization creates electromagnetic fields and finally light is produced by the pineal gland. When the energy is stored in the body and strong enough then the pineal gland will create a holographic laser which is transmitted via a signal as “pure” consciousness.

Why did I specify “pure” — because as I stated it can not be repeated using machines and symmetric-based science.

Just to bring this back to the UFO issue — I just finished FATE’s UFO SPECIAL book and there’s an article about top-secret “asymmetric” capacitors. So you get electromagnetic propulsion with lift as thrust. This is EXACTLY how qigong works — with the pineal gland as the smaller capacitor in contrast to the stomach where the electrochemical energy is stored and ionized. The fact that UFO technology remains a mystery is because the mathematics used is modeled by quantum chaos — it’s inherently unpredictable. Technology itself is out of control — only consciousness itself is in charge.

So, again, you focus on who is doing the healing — the qigong master or the person through a placebo. In fact it’s neither — the healing occurs because of the resonance between the capacitors, which, again, is enabled by “pure” consciousness. The same occurs with UFOs.

And why should we care what YOU call it? A rose by any other name is still a rose.

“You insist that I show you a better product”

I insist that you give us a better argument then the lame one you have given here.

“Why is humanity about ‘doing’ anything? Let’s turn the question around…”

Let’s not, thereby keeping you from changing or twisting the subject around. I have said it before and I will say it again — pay attention this time — SCIENCE is about results. I did not say “humanity is about results”, I said science.

Science gives results and there is no other method or belief or philosophy that YOU can offer or has ever been offered that can give results too. I want to see RESULTS, not more New Age sales pitches.

“Oodles of goodness it is, if, again, you ignore, my list…”

I have said it before and I will say it again — pay attention this time — science can only show you the door, but it cannot make you open it. Since your list was given in the complete absence of reason or evidence, the only logically proper thing to do is to ignore it. Nothing in your list was or can ever be linked to science as the cause. Try greed or politics or religion or ignorance as the cause instead.

“Nonwestern music relies on logical inference where the truth is an OPEN experience of pure consciousness”

Haha! I always love to hear people like you trying to pretend that your blind faith beliefs are somehow rooted in the very thing you hate: science! You claim here that there was some kind of “logical inference” to prove your assertion but you “forgot” to include what that logical inference was and what it was based on. I am sure the inference was neither logical nor based on actual facts.

More importantly, there is no such thing as “pure consciousness”. I am experiencing consciousness right now and there is nothing “impure” about it. Either a being is conscious or it is not. Pure consciousness implies the existence of impure consciousness but that term would contradict the meaning of the word conscious.

“Science has ‘discovered’ this truth of consciousness, beyond space and beyond time — in quantum physics.”

No it has not. Of course, you can always prove me wrong by citing a few peer reviewed scientific journals that make the same claim you do but since that does claims do not exist, you won’t.

“This resonance of natural overtones covers the whole energy spectrum”

No it doesn’t, it only covers the narrow band of energy of the sound spectrum and it resides only where there is no vacuum. On the other hand, the electromagnetic spectrum resides everywhere, even in a vacuum, and it covers an infinite number of frequencies.

“This means that science DOES rely on symmetric-based math”

I have said it before and I will say it again — pay attention this time — SCIENCE is based on methodology, not math. In science, math is a language, not a method. Please try to show us where the science of psychology or biology completely relies on symmetric-based math and would fail without it. In fact, show me any branch of science that would completely fail without it. It can’t be done.

By the way, there is no such thing as “symmetric-based math”, there is only the symmetry of objects in the field of mathematics.

“Oh by the way, close to the MegaMall, is a qigong master with whom I’ve taken classes and his name is Chunyi Lin…and has successfully healed people of severe illnesses like late-term cancer, paralysis, M.S., H.I.V. positive, deafness”

Placebos have a history of healing people too. Seeing as cancer and other diseases can go into spontaneous remission, doing nothing has a history of healing people too. The only thing that would make Chunyi Lin’s method different from any other alternative method to proper medicine, is if his failure rate is documented to be better than a placebo or doing nothing. Care to show us where the records of his failures are, or are they missing or were never recorded to begin with? How convenient for him and you that they are.

If qigong exists, it was qigong that healed those people, not Chunyi Lin. Is he trying to take the credit for something he didn’t do?

There is no proof that qigong exists or that it has ever healed anyone. If you want, I can call a local TV station and have them randomly get a person with cancer and present it to your guys to demonstrate (or not) how to heal cancer.

“…[and] recently coauthored a chapter on qigong for the Mayo Clinic’s textbook on complementary medicine”

Just goes to show you can’t believe everything you read. Mayo Clinic is not a science organization but if it were, even respectful scientific organizations, especially medical ones, make mistakes too. Remember blood letting or the Salem Witch Trials?