I alluded to it in 2007 here and here

I’ve also discussed this at length with Steve Broadbent of http://realityuncovered.com

As for what I mean by “not socially acceptable”….. if they were to be exposed as embracing certain beliefs, they would fall out of favor with those in positions of political and/or economic power who embrace the prevailing Christian fundamentalist way of thinking about ET (e.g. alien = demons).

I hope that clarifies my thoughts. If not, let me know and I’ll give it another go.

Have you elaborated on this idea elsewhere? Not socially acceptable in what way? Are they worshipping aliens? Are the Masons are doing this?

I’d be interested in your thoughts.

If they say that they believe that something non-human is interacting with us, is it simply part of an intelligence gambit or because they really believe it? I tend to think that they believe it. That’s interesting to me.

This is, and has been, my point for quite a while and an area I’ve focused on in my own personal research.

I also tend to believe they believe it. The biggest question I’ve had for quite some time is “Why”?

My sense is it has quite a bit to do with an underlying belief system that is NOT socially acceptable - especially within the current fundamentalist Christian mindset of a very vocal and powerful group within the USG - and more importantly - a very small, but vocal group within US society.

I just hope you felt more pride than rage for the work of your little Picasso

Back to the topic at hand:

Maybe it’s the eternally pessimistic optimist in me (:^D), but I **have** to believe that those in the disinfo campaign have at their core a belief they’re doing what they think is best for the country (for whatever reasons). I also believe there are some who are dissatisfied with the disinfo campaign, and may be “freelancing,” for want of a better word, to disseminate some valuable info on their own.

If there are indeed elements in our military-industrial complex that are keeping this info to themselves, then it’s only human nature to find one or two, or ten or twenty, with enough info and enough morality to start dropping real info here and there. And the info is so compartmentalized, there may be some ITK that can do this without repercussion, just because of the fact that not enough handlers are operating above them to prevent it. Again, an optimistic assessment, I know.

I should point out, I’ve personally eliminated some possible solutions as to what’s going on, to wit:

- This isn’t merely a cover-up for black ops. Let’s face facts: there are hundreds, if not thousands, of reports in Blue Book alone that cannot be attributed to any pre-Skunk Works ops.

- This isn’t just a US phenomena, thus, a shadow story for black ops or some connection to the US MIC alone is unsatisfactory. Although, the Brits and Aussies seem to be knee-deep in this as well.

- There is simply NO WAY that all these reports are hallucinations, mistakes or hoaxes. Certainly, each of these rear their ugly heads even now, and as far back as, well, Gulf Breeze and George Adamski come quickly to mind.

Most importantly, I use the “magic marker” test: if even one of these events can be proved, within a reasonable limit of doubt, to be either an other-wordly or alternate time provenance, then the proof of the physicality of these events — as a whole, not on an individual basis — has to be taken seriously. BTW: I call this the magic marker test after the trials of trying to remove said substance from white walls: once it has been determined that the mark is indeed permanent, and not washable markers or crayons (or the planet Venus) the only way to rectify the situation is, sadly, paint.

Perhaps that’s what our governments have decided: they cannot remove the offending intruders, nor affect them in any significant way, so they paint over the reports with as heavy a brush as possible.

And here’s else something to consider: the lengths and extents that the US-Brit-Aussie governments have gone to conceal and obfuscate the UFO topic, in the past and ongoing, I respectfully submit, PROVE there is something real and significant there.

– TemplarScribe

“Chopping up broccoli for the chicken noodle soup”… that was a good one

Terry Gilliam’s excellent (and equally disturbing) film “Brazil” included a sequence where Christmas packages were delivered to executives: little guillotine-looking devices euphemistically called “The Executive Decision Maker.” It was simply a crank that pulled an upside-down cone to a bracket, in order to drop it on a razor-like divider, with one side labeled “Yes,” the other “No.”

In the best of us, the most objective UFO researchers among us, we’ve all dropped that cone, and now rest on either the “Yes, there are aliens visiting us” side, or on the “No, it’s all either hallucination, disinfo or black ops” side.

What we need to accept, as difficult as it may be, is that our own government(s) may be lying to us every day (gee, what a shocker that is!). But equally as difficult for us to accept is that these lies may be mixed in with honest efforts by some of Those In The Know to reach out and involve us, simply because TITK have no way to affect the various intelligences visiting us, and that bugs the hell out of them.

Accepting for the moment that the tens of thousands of UFO and contactee reports include a sizable number of actual verifiable events, then we must accept no one single answer can explain them all away:

- Are “they” off-worlders? Some apparently are, if the Fastwalker events recorded by NORAD are to be believed, and if the videos recorded by the Shuttle astronauts are accurate and unaltered (the STS-48 video comes to mind).

- Are “they” traveling through time or dimensions in a way we do not yet understand? Again, entirely possible, although this does not explain a great number of events where hard, apparently physical craft are interacted with by human touch, by burn or radiation marks on the ground, or by radar and weather effects (the hole in the low-level cloud layer left by the UFO over O’Hare Concourse C on November 7th, 2006, is a perfect example of physical interaction).

- Are some of the more recent events, images and accompanying videos hoaxed? This possibility must always be near at hand when considering current UFO activity, as the Australian hoax UFOs from the summer past certainly indicate, and as the current Drone images seem to suggest. And in this era where photo manipulation and CG talents are as prevalent as cell phones, we will never be 100% certain that an event is real, unless we view it with our own eyes, and have a trusted friend nearby to guarantee we’re not dreaming. This does not account, of course, for events like the battle of LA in 1942, nor of the thousands of credible sightings by Air Force and police personnel before the computer era.

- Is some of what we’re being told part of a government plan to muddy the waters? It sure seems to me like the coverups attending the Roswell event show both a willingness to lie, as well as a willingness to threaten and intimidate witnesses. And the second event during the evening of the Phoenix Lights, where flares were dropped in an effort to obfuscate the earlier black triangle sightings, certainly prove beyond a doubt — to serious, objective investigators — that at least some elements of our military are actively participating in covering up UFO events, even as they happen.

I might suggest a further possibility:

Given, for the moment, that we are being visited by an advanced race or races. Given their level of scientific advancement, it’s likely to assume that they’ve done this sort of thing before, that we’re not the first semi-literate bipedal life forms with a great sense of humor and a surprisingly powerful death wish that they’ve encountered.

Given that their advanced and experienced contact units would be aware of previous encounters, we can assume they have a rational plan for dealing with intransigent, warring populaces like us: try and make contact through the leaders first, and if that fails, bypass the idiots and go straight to the people. Keep their technology juuust a little ahead of the possible, so that those who are witness to it know it’s not terrestrial. And mess with the nukes on occasion, to educate our leaders just how dangerous it is to play with matches.

Given that the past fifty years has demonstrated a nearly complete lack of honesty on the part of our government(s), it’s safe to assume that there are at least a few individuals that are frustrated with the lack of advancement, even among the supposedly ironclad Ultra Level Access personnel. It doesn’t take a great deal of imagination to picture a scenario where some of them basically throw up their hands, and start chopping up broccoli for the chicken noodle soup: a little of what you’ll swallow, and a little of what’s good for you that you normally wouldn’t touch.

I can easily believe that some of the personnel in the Disnfo camp may have it in their hearts to try and make the “info” half of the message as accurate and as honest as possible, knowing that even if such messages are not discernible in our own lifetimes, that in decades to come, their small shouts of freedom will eventually be heard and acknowledged.

I recall an interesting conversation with a highly decorated police officer who, while sitting in his patrol car, shared with me his very personal UFO encounter, and the almost unbelievable tale of his debriefing by Washington suits and the load of BS they fed him. I believe his UFO story, yet what am I to make about the BS section he was fed? Did the suits believe it themselves? Were they the originators of that part of the Disinfo, or merely one link in a long chain of lies?

In dealing with the UFO question, I’ve come to accept one thing: there may be no one answer for us to hang on to. We may have only possibilities, vague assurances and limited trusts, all accompanied by doubts and moderate disbelief. Nothing can be trusted, not our leaders, our best scientists, our senses, nor even our own memories.

To quote a thousand hand-lettered signs in gas stations all over this country, “In God we trust. All others pay cash.”

– TemplarScribe
http://www.MichaelDelving.com
http://www.EternalHorizons.com

Some have accused him of doing so. Interesting that Hansen doesn’t mention anything about Maccabee in his piece. From what I’ve heard and read about the man, I wouldn’t say it was out of the realm of possibility.

I didn’t want to suggest that listening to these people was a substitute for other types of research. It’s simply a tool, and one that interests me personally.

If they say that they believe that something non-human is interacting with us, is it simply part of an intelligence gambit or because they really believe it? I tend to think that they believe it. That’s interesting to me.