Comments on: UFO Disclosure Imminent (Not)

By: red pill junkie

red pill junkie — Tue, 20 May 2008 17:50:32 +0000

Thx Paul

By: paulkimball

paulkimball — Tue, 20 May 2008 11:57:59 +0000

Oops… sorry for the double post!

By: paulkimball

paulkimball — Tue, 20 May 2008 03:44:01 +0000

RPJ:

From my blog:

http://redstarfilms.blogspot.com/search?q=alline

A good on-line bio:

http://www.biographi.ca/EN/ShowBio.asp?BioId=35853&query=alline

Alline’s journal, one of Canada’s great primary historical documents, is on-line starting at:

http://www.canadiana.org/ECO/PageView?id=12300fa5711fccef&display=27898+0003

Paul

By: paulkimball

paulkimball — Tue, 20 May 2008 03:41:36 +0000

RPJ:

Alline’s Journal is on-line - it is one of the great primary resources of Canadian history:

http://www.canadiana.org/ECO/PageView?id=ded9522a2a1977ff&display=27898+0003

A good on-line summary of Alline’s life and times can be found at:

http://www.biographi.ca/EN/ShowBio.asp?BioId=35853&query=alline

Finally, I have written about Alline at my blog - check here:

http://redstarfilms.blogspot.com/search?q=alline

Scroll down (although the stuff before is related). Also, the video clip is from a pilot episode we did nine years ago for a series called Visionaries, for Vision TV here in Canada, about great Canadians of faith.

Paul

By: red pill junkie

red pill junkie — Mon, 19 May 2008 04:24:10 +0000

Paul, could you please point me out to a web page where I can learn more about this Alline fellow? I’m having a bit of trouble finding things about him on he net, and the Wikipedia entry on him is rather brief, to say the least.

By: drew hempel

drew hempel — Mon, 19 May 2008 04:05:30 +0000

Hey Paul: Take me to your leader.

By: paulkimball

paulkimball — Mon, 19 May 2008 03:46:35 +0000

RPJ,
Alline, whose ministry lasted roughly from 1776 to 1784 here in the Maritimes, was not only kept tabs on by the British colonial government, which was concerned about his Yankee roots and his revolutionary message, but he was also known by the mainstream Congregational Church establishment as the “Ravager of Churches”. His impact on Canadian history (and that of new England as well) was profound, and not just religious but social and political as well - far more so than the impact of the Contactees on American history.
As I wrote recently, it’s important t o keep things in proper perspective.
Alline was no standard Christian evangelical, by the way, but rather owed much of his theology to the tradition of Christian mysticism. All in all, a fascinating man, who makes the likes of Van Tassel and Adamski seem even smaller than they really were… although no less amusing, and even interesting, when placed in their proper historical context.
Paul

By: red pill junkie

red pill junkie — Sun, 18 May 2008 23:44:41 +0000

Thanks for the input Paul. You may be right about Alline, although you might agree that the contactees managed to do something he didn’t: they made use of the current popular culture to make their ideas more appealing for the masses… or maybe they themselves were a bizarre product of the popular culture? Either way, all these people follow the typical archetype of the prophet, displayed for thousands of years; it’s only that with the contactees it was the turn of our current government system to feel threatened.

And their discourse tried to find a different approach than the traditional judeo-christian philosphy, with a new input of eastern viewpoints, things that made the secular governments insecure, instead of only the traditional religious establishments. Was Alline ever investigated by a government office?

By: La Lune Press

La Lune Press — Sun, 18 May 2008 23:27:05 +0000

Is it a prelude to official acknowledgement or simply a bowing to the inevitable? The concept of the existence of aliens and UFO, whether extraterrestrial in origin or otherwise, has become culturally entrenched in modern western society (and has never been rejected by those still living as tribals).

After 60 years of Sci Fi movies, 40 years of Star Trek, 30 years of Star Wars, and 20 years of mass information dissemination via the Paranet-Internet, I would be very surprised if the general public had serious issues in accepting that these things are much more than pop-culture entities.

This isn’t like 70 years ago at the time of the “War of the Worlds” radio show. In fact, I am certain that today, if someone was to hear a news report over the radio that an alien spacecraft had landed in the US, the likely response would be “oh, really? why didn’t I see anything about that online?”

By: paulkimball

paulkimball — Sun, 18 May 2008 20:37:05 +0000

RPJ:

You wrote:

“I suppose that’s part of the allure the contactist movements still have. Fom a sociological perspective, they represent the first form of occidental insurrection against the established strucures of power, & the legitimacy of the nation-state to be the ultimate representatives of the people. If you can by-pass the authority of the government and talk to the space brothers directly, what do you need the government for?”

With respect, this displays a complete lack of understanding of history. The Contactees were doing no more in this regard than the New Light evangelists of the 18th century, such as Henry Alline, who made an appeal to people during a time of war to step outside the boundaries drawn by man, and embrace the Kingdon of Heaven through a direct experiential relationship with God.

The Contactees weren’t writing a new book - they were cribbing from classics that had been in circulation for hundreds, even thousands, of years.

Paul