Comments on: The (UFO) Aviary http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-aviary-moore/ UFO News, Views, and More Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:00:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: not_anonymous http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-aviary-moore/#comment-5148 not_anonymous Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:24:48 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-aviary-moore/#comment-5148 How about a post on who all the members of Vallee's "Invisible College" were. How about a post on who all the members of Vallee’s “Invisible College” were.

]]> By: drew hempel http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-aviary-moore/#comment-5144 drew hempel Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:00:31 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-aviary-moore/#comment-5144 It seems the higher one gets up the M.I.C. ladder the more disinfo one gets tangled up in. Reading those bio descripts at Reality Uncovered just seems like more rumors piled on rumors. It makes for fun reading to be sure -- kind of like Brad Steiger's mention of military plasma weapons in one of his UFO books. The book constantly argues the military needs to be ready to battle the aliens (who must have much more advanced technology) and then mentions the military technology necessary to do such battle (all secret projects that he some how finds out about without referencing sources) -- never really pointing out the obvious. I met a mathematician recently who worked on encryption at Sandia Labs in the 1990s. He stated how indeed there was much compartmentalization, leaving him in the dark of his coworkers' projects. The real tripper is that No One is in control and the truth is neither out there nor inside anywhere. It seems the higher one gets up the M.I.C. ladder the more disinfo one gets tangled up in. Reading those bio descripts at Reality Uncovered just seems like more rumors piled on rumors. It makes for fun reading to be sure — kind of like Brad Steiger’s mention of military plasma weapons in one of his UFO books. The book constantly argues the military needs to be ready to battle the aliens (who must have much more advanced technology) and then mentions the military technology necessary to do such battle (all secret projects that he some how finds out about without referencing sources) — never really pointing out the obvious.

I met a mathematician recently who worked on encryption at Sandia Labs in the 1990s. He stated how indeed there was much compartmentalization, leaving him in the dark of his coworkers’ projects. The real tripper is that No One is in control and the truth is neither out there nor inside anywhere.

]]> By: Greg Bishop http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-aviary-moore/#comment-5141 Greg Bishop Sun, 09 Mar 2008 05:29:55 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-aviary-moore/#comment-5141 Emperor, See my comments to crgintx and stay tuned for part 2. The NIDS connection intrigues me, but mostly because the aims of the group (re: more study of UFOs and the paranormal) seem to have been continued in another format, but without the intel trappings, probably. I don't see how Moore's involvement is indicative of "another layer of misdirection." I think many people give him too much credit as far as the aims of the Aviary group are concerned. Emperor,

See my comments to crgintx and stay tuned for part 2. The NIDS connection intrigues me, but mostly because the aims of the group (re: more study of UFOs and the paranormal) seem to have been continued in another format, but without the intel trappings, probably.

I don’t see how Moore’s involvement is indicative of “another layer of misdirection.” I think many people give him too much credit as far as the aims of the Aviary group are concerned.

]]> By: Greg Bishop http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-aviary-moore/#comment-5140 Greg Bishop Sun, 09 Mar 2008 05:22:42 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-aviary-moore/#comment-5140 crg, What I was am trying to do in these posts is clarify what I feel were the underlying reasons for the group's existence, which is for the most part separate from any disinfo that was produced by some of its members. I sort of look on the Aviary as a kind of UFO research group at a different level, which happened to be involved in plying stories for civilians and agents posing as UFO researchers in order to pursue various counterintelligence operations. crg,

What I was am trying to do in these posts is clarify what I feel were the underlying reasons for the group’s existence, which is for the most part separate from any disinfo that was produced by some of its members.

I sort of look on the Aviary as a kind of UFO research group at a different level, which happened to be involved in plying stories for civilians and agents posing as UFO researchers in order to pursue various counterintelligence operations.

]]> By: Greg Bishop http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-aviary-moore/#comment-5139 Greg Bishop Sun, 09 Mar 2008 05:18:05 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-aviary-moore/#comment-5139 disowned, I have learned a few more things about the group since the book was published, which are mentioned in this post and the next one coming on Monday. disowned,

I have learned a few more things about the group since the book was published, which are mentioned in this post and the next one coming on Monday.

]]> By: Emperor http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-aviary-moore/#comment-5131 Emperor Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:17:50 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-aviary-moore/#comment-5131 Thanks for this Greg. I've been intrigued by The Aviary for a while since someone passed me a link or two like this: www.drboylan.com/aviary2.html What you say makes a lot of sense and I'm looking forward to updates. I've mentioned them in passing quite a few times and things that intrigue me are: * The odd combination of military intelligence, non-lethal weapons technology and an interest in strangeness (UFOs as well as odder aspects). * The presence of a lot of these characters in the NIDS - including Jacques Vallee, who might seem out of place but he has had a lot of intriguing military connections and was involved with the SRI and Uri Geller. So a very odd murky corner indeed and given Bill Moore's involvement we shouldn't rule out that, in some way, this is another layer of misdirection. ;) Thanks for this Greg.

I’ve been intrigued by The Aviary for a while since someone passed me a link or two like this:

http://www.drboylan.com/aviary2.html

What you say makes a lot of sense and I’m looking forward to updates.

I’ve mentioned them in passing quite a few times and things that intrigue me are:

* The odd combination of military intelligence, non-lethal weapons technology and an interest in strangeness (UFOs as well as odder aspects).

* The presence of a lot of these characters in the NIDS - including Jacques Vallee, who might seem out of place but he has had a lot of intriguing military connections and was involved with the SRI and Uri Geller.

So a very odd murky corner indeed and given Bill Moore’s involvement we shouldn’t rule out that, in some way, this is another layer of misdirection. ;)

]]> By: crgintx http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-aviary-moore/#comment-5130 crgintx Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:05:56 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-aviary-moore/#comment-5130 This is where the things get extremely tricky. Any information that the US intelligence services dispenses has to be taken with a massive lump of salt. They scammed Paul Bennewitz to the point of breakdown and likely took several years off the man's life for no great intelligence gain or coup. Each agency seems more interested in turf protection than actually intelligence gathering or protection. I'm not really sure if 'The Aviary' should be looked upon as beneficial to the UFO research subject or as a group, harmful and counterproductive. Most certainly, specific individuals within The Aviary used the UFO research community for their own self promotion with little regard for the collateral damage it would cause to both the field or individual researchers . This is where the things get extremely tricky. Any information that the US intelligence services dispenses has to be taken with a massive lump of salt. They scammed Paul Bennewitz to the point of breakdown and likely took several years off the man’s life for no great intelligence gain or coup. Each agency seems more interested in turf protection than actually intelligence gathering or protection. I’m not really sure if ‘The Aviary’ should be looked upon as beneficial to the UFO research subject or as a group, harmful and counterproductive. Most certainly, specific individuals within The Aviary used the UFO research community for their own self promotion with little regard for the collateral damage it would cause to both the field or individual researchers .

]]> By: disownedsky http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-aviary-moore/#comment-5126 disownedsky Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:48:16 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-aviary-moore/#comment-5126 Fascinating. I read "Project Beta," and some of these other names are familiar, but not all. Keep it coming... Fascinating. I read “Project Beta,” and some of these other names are familiar, but not all.

Keep it coming…

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