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	<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-astronomy-skpeticism/#comment-4879</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 03:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Age means nothing in a Universe where there is an infinite time for things to occur in. It is because of this reason that I am absolutely certain there is intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe besides here on Earth. What is not certain is what the distribution of intelligent life within our local Universe is. Is the nearest advanced civilization 4 light years or 400 light years away? Or maybe it is 4000 or even 4 million light years away on average? This is important because if our civilization is on the verge of destroying ourselves and our environment, chances are that other civilizations will have paralleled our evolution and how many civilizations like ours would survive our up and coming crisis? The more distant the average civilizations are from each other, the more advanced they would have to be to travel those distances and the more likely they would want to have nothing to do with less advanced and barbaric people like we are.

The only kind of evidence I always focus on is the evidence that exists outside of the stories told about them -- the kind of evidence you can take home with you in a wheelbarrow or examine under a microscope for example. But you believers always focus only on the testimonies and a few poorly taken photos. Testimony without evidence is nothing more than storytelling. I do not believe in storytales, I only believe in facts and there are no facts evident in any UFO report, just the poorly told storytales.

Just because someone is willing to die for their cause does not prove that their cause is based on fact. Religion has a long history of having people sacrificing their lives in vain for no good reason -- as has politics. A cause can only be just and true if it is based on demonstrable facts.

Tom Brokaw has no evidence either, so who cares what his opinion on the matter is? Tom is an expert newscaster, not an expert UFOlogist or someone with some evidence for once.

Yes, one of these days you guys just might come up with some evidence for once instead of just more storytales, but in the meantime you guys are just going to have to continue to rely on blind faith belief. I will continue to rely on demonstrable facts, no matter who likes it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Age means nothing in a Universe where there is an infinite time for things to occur in. It is because of this reason that I am absolutely certain there is intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe besides here on Earth. What is not certain is what the distribution of intelligent life within our local Universe is. Is the nearest advanced civilization 4 light years or 400 light years away? Or maybe it is 4000 or even 4 million light years away on average? This is important because if our civilization is on the verge of destroying ourselves and our environment, chances are that other civilizations will have paralleled our evolution and how many civilizations like ours would survive our up and coming crisis? The more distant the average civilizations are from each other, the more advanced they would have to be to travel those distances and the more likely they would want to have nothing to do with less advanced and barbaric people like we are.</p>
<p>The only kind of evidence I always focus on is the evidence that exists outside of the stories told about them &#8212; the kind of evidence you can take home with you in a wheelbarrow or examine under a microscope for example. But you believers always focus only on the testimonies and a few poorly taken photos. Testimony without evidence is nothing more than storytelling. I do not believe in storytales, I only believe in facts and there are no facts evident in any UFO report, just the poorly told storytales.</p>
<p>Just because someone is willing to die for their cause does not prove that their cause is based on fact. Religion has a long history of having people sacrificing their lives in vain for no good reason &#8212; as has politics. A cause can only be just and true if it is based on demonstrable facts.</p>
<p>Tom Brokaw has no evidence either, so who cares what his opinion on the matter is? Tom is an expert newscaster, not an expert UFOlogist or someone with some evidence for once.</p>
<p>Yes, one of these days you guys just might come up with some evidence for once instead of just more storytales, but in the meantime you guys are just going to have to continue to rely on blind faith belief. I will continue to rely on demonstrable facts, no matter who likes it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rojohn,

I had to edit your piece to take out the profanity. Our site owner/ administrator's rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rojohn,</p>
<p>I had to edit your piece to take out the profanity. Our site owner/ administrator&#8217;s rules.</p>
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		<title>By: rojohn77</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-astronomy-skpeticism/#comment-4873</link>
		<dc:creator>rojohn77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just take a second and think about how old our planet earth is. Do realize there are millions upon millions of galaxies that are billions upon billions of years older than us??? they could be far more advanced in anything we could ever imagine. Over the past 60 years, there have been thousands of videos, pictures annd uncovered GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS on UFO's. I know a large portion of these are bull shit, but there is a large portion that is real!! Us citizens only know a fraction of what NASA and the U.S. military know. Also, you skpetics always focus on certain UFO evidence that is obviously fake!
Can you please exaplain to me why Bill Cooper along with many othern ex-CIA agents put their life at RISK to prove you guys wrong? OH yeah, thats right, Bill Cooper was killed by government officials for trying to publish his book "Behold a pale Horse."
Another great example happend recently, im sure everyone knows who Tom Brokaw is. Famous news braodcaster since the 1960's who has interviewed many celebreties, presidents and other members of the government. He himself even claims that the U.S. government is covering up the UFO information and that we americans need to know about it.
I CANT WAIT FOR THE DAY THAT THEY FINALLY COME OUT AND LET US KNOW THAT THE UFO'S AND ALIENS ARE REAL! I WILL JUST BE SITTING BACK, SMOKING A FAT BLUNT AND LAUGHING AT YOU SKEPTICS! You just refuse to believe what is going on in the skys of this planet. If you want to email me feel free. Johnsonr74@yahoo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just take a second and think about how old our planet earth is. Do realize there are millions upon millions of galaxies that are billions upon billions of years older than us??? they could be far more advanced in anything we could ever imagine. Over the past 60 years, there have been thousands of videos, pictures annd uncovered GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS on UFO&#8217;s. I know a large portion of these are bull shit, but there is a large portion that is real!! Us citizens only know a fraction of what NASA and the U.S. military know. Also, you skpetics always focus on certain UFO evidence that is obviously fake!<br />
Can you please exaplain to me why Bill Cooper along with many othern ex-CIA agents put their life at RISK to prove you guys wrong? OH yeah, thats right, Bill Cooper was killed by government officials for trying to publish his book &#8220;Behold a pale Horse.&#8221;<br />
Another great example happend recently, im sure everyone knows who Tom Brokaw is. Famous news braodcaster since the 1960&#8217;s who has interviewed many celebreties, presidents and other members of the government. He himself even claims that the U.S. government is covering up the UFO information and that we americans need to know about it.<br />
I CANT WAIT FOR THE DAY THAT THEY FINALLY COME OUT AND LET US KNOW THAT THE UFO&#8217;S AND ALIENS ARE REAL! I WILL JUST BE SITTING BACK, SMOKING A FAT BLUNT AND LAUGHING AT YOU SKEPTICS! You just refuse to believe what is going on in the skys of this planet. If you want to email me feel free. <a href="mailto:Johnsonr74@yahoo.com">Johnsonr74@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richelle Hawks</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-astronomy-skpeticism/#comment-4861</link>
		<dc:creator>Richelle Hawks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nutter.  good riddance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nutter.  good riddance.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-astronomy-skpeticism/#comment-4842</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again Richelle, you are changing the subject to me instead of the topic of the archive. I know you are obsessed with me and cannot refrain from talking about me, but it is not productive, it is harassment, and it is obviously immature for a woman of your age. You are not worth our time, so I am not responding to your stupidity anymore.

PS -- Does your mommy and daddy know you are using their computer without their permission?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again Richelle, you are changing the subject to me instead of the topic of the archive. I know you are obsessed with me and cannot refrain from talking about me, but it is not productive, it is harassment, and it is obviously immature for a woman of your age. You are not worth our time, so I am not responding to your stupidity anymore.</p>
<p>PS &#8212; Does your mommy and daddy know you are using their computer without their permission?</p>
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		<title>By: Richelle Hawks</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-astronomy-skpeticism/#comment-4833</link>
		<dc:creator>Richelle Hawks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your translation about the reflexology (rubbing feet?  are you three years old?) seems pretty typcial from you--it's about as reductive, simple, mocking, unthinking, and pedestrian as your thinking in everything else you assert.  I never claimed to be able to 'cure' people--you're really having a hard time following along.
You have never heard me promote esp, women's intuition, or any such thing.  Conversely, I have told you over and over I am not in any camp that promotes such thing, not a new ager as you bizarrely assert, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your translation about the reflexology (rubbing feet?  are you three years old?) seems pretty typcial from you&#8211;it&#8217;s about as reductive, simple, mocking, unthinking, and pedestrian as your thinking in everything else you assert.  I never claimed to be able to &#8216;cure&#8217; people&#8211;you&#8217;re really having a hard time following along.<br />
You have never heard me promote esp, women&#8217;s intuition, or any such thing.  Conversely, I have told you over and over I am not in any camp that promotes such thing, not a new ager as you bizarrely assert, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-astronomy-skpeticism/#comment-4832</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"ESP, clairvoyance, women’s intuition? Where the hell do you come up with this crap?"

From people like yourself. I would certainly never gullibly believe in such obviously make believe nonsense, just like I would never gullibly believe that there is any other form of observation other then the scientific one. 

"No, hearing, seeing, smelling, tasting, feeling–well, that’s pretty much been my argument too"

In other words, you are unable to provide evidence for your false assertion that I dismissed other forms of observation, because no such forms were ever posted in any discussions, and you have no examples of any other forms that work. At least you are consistent, since you have made other false statements such as no one ever responds to me or that you would no longer respond to me anymore. Do you not care about your credibility (or lack thereof)? I guess not.

"You’re a nutter"

That means so much coming from somebody who has deluded themselves into believing they can diagnose and cure people by rubbing their feet. The only kind of people I know of that would work on are hypochondriacs and those with psychosomatic symptoms.

Clearly nothing you say can be taken as a professional opinion or anything but pure entertainment -- not very good entertainment, but entertainment nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ESP, clairvoyance, women’s intuition? Where the hell do you come up with this crap?&#8221;</p>
<p>From people like yourself. I would certainly never gullibly believe in such obviously make believe nonsense, just like I would never gullibly believe that there is any other form of observation other then the scientific one. </p>
<p>&#8220;No, hearing, seeing, smelling, tasting, feeling–well, that’s pretty much been my argument too&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, you are unable to provide evidence for your false assertion that I dismissed other forms of observation, because no such forms were ever posted in any discussions, and you have no examples of any other forms that work. At least you are consistent, since you have made other false statements such as no one ever responds to me or that you would no longer respond to me anymore. Do you not care about your credibility (or lack thereof)? I guess not.</p>
<p>&#8220;You’re a nutter&#8221;</p>
<p>That means so much coming from somebody who has deluded themselves into believing they can diagnose and cure people by rubbing their feet. The only kind of people I know of that would work on are hypochondriacs and those with psychosomatic symptoms.</p>
<p>Clearly nothing you say can be taken as a professional opinion or anything but pure entertainment &#8212; not very good entertainment, but entertainment nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Richelle Hawks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richelle Hawks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 06:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ESP, clairvoyance, women's intuition?  Where the hell do you come up with this crap?  
Nice self-induced argument.  
No, hearing, seeing, smelling, tasting, feeling--well, that's pretty much been my argument too.  
You're a nutter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ESP, clairvoyance, women&#8217;s intuition?  Where the hell do you come up with this crap?<br />
Nice self-induced argument.<br />
No, hearing, seeing, smelling, tasting, feeling&#8211;well, that&#8217;s pretty much been my argument too.<br />
You&#8217;re a nutter.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/ufo-astronomy-skpeticism/#comment-4822</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 01:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"You have been...asserting the only thing that matters is scientific measurement and ‘facts.’ You have dismissed any other form of observation, or path of inquiry numerous times"

There is nothing to dismiss where nothing of the sort was ever discussed to begin with. Obviously there is no other form of observation or path of inquiry, hence the reason you nor anyone else has ever mentioned one. Please enlighten us by telling us what other form of 'observation' has worked better other than the kind based on hearing, seeing, smelling, tasting, and feeling? Do you want to tell us the ESP or clairvoyance or women's intuition or magic works better than observation based on hearing, seeing, smelling, tasting, and feeling? If you want to say yes to any of that, be warned that History tells us a much different story. Whereas science has practically reinvented civilization in the last 100 years, observation based on ESP or clairvoyance or women's intuition or magic has done nothing and has made no progress within its ranks in the last 1000 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You have been&#8230;asserting the only thing that matters is scientific measurement and ‘facts.’ You have dismissed any other form of observation, or path of inquiry numerous times&#8221;</p>
<p>There is nothing to dismiss where nothing of the sort was ever discussed to begin with. Obviously there is no other form of observation or path of inquiry, hence the reason you nor anyone else has ever mentioned one. Please enlighten us by telling us what other form of &#8216;observation&#8217; has worked better other than the kind based on hearing, seeing, smelling, tasting, and feeling? Do you want to tell us the ESP or clairvoyance or women&#8217;s intuition or magic works better than observation based on hearing, seeing, smelling, tasting, and feeling? If you want to say yes to any of that, be warned that History tells us a much different story. Whereas science has practically reinvented civilization in the last 100 years, observation based on ESP or clairvoyance or women&#8217;s intuition or magic has done nothing and has made no progress within its ranks in the last 1000 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Richelle Hawks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richelle Hawks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 16:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes, I do remember you mentioned that when the conversation gets personal and name calling arises, that the name caller has lost--although we all lose every time you post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, I do remember you mentioned that when the conversation gets personal and name calling arises, that the name caller has lost&#8211;although we all lose every time you post.</p>
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