Nov 01 2007
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Oh, Man
I really hope that this scientist (or whatever he is) at NASA is not in the majority, and simply needs to keep his job, ergo he HAS to believe in something which he says is unknown, even though he says it is “undefined.”
Remember, you disbelieve millions of “experts” at the peril of your mind and eternal (rational) soul.
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November 2nd, 2007 at 3:46 am
Surely you wouldn’t expect any less from a CSICOP fellow, would you Greg? Abrupt, rude, ignorant of the subject at hand - yup, looks like he ticked all the boxes on the CSICOP induction form…
Kind regards,
Greg
November 2nd, 2007 at 4:56 am
I know a retired rocket scientist who worked for NASA up until his retirement a few years back (on the Canaveral launch system).
He says it’s common knowledge among people who work there that the only ones with any intelligence are the contractors
November 2nd, 2007 at 6:08 am
OK, so the dismissive tone is annoying and the argument from authority is fallacious, but it is a good point that from a scientific point of view, the question is not well defined. As I see it, this is for two reasons:
1 - It’s hard to define.
2 - there is so much misperception, noise, ridicule and disinformation surrounding the topic that it’s hard to see if there is in fact a core mystery.
November 2nd, 2007 at 7:36 am
Who are these millions of experts, anyway? Reminds me of some of the people we have to deal with at my workplace. We work with quite a few PhD level people and a lot those folks seem to think that when they are a Doctor of one subject, they’re a Doctor of everything else.
Show me a million experts on the matter at hand please.
November 2nd, 2007 at 7:36 pm
“Show me a million experts on the matter at hand please”
Even one expert would be more than the UFO community has.
November 3rd, 2007 at 11:50 am
DisOnedSky said, “there is so much misperception, noise, ridicule and disinformation surrounding the topic that it’s hard to see if there is in fact a core mystery.”
DOS, what I think you meant to say is, there’s so much disniformnation, it’s hard to see what the real answer to the mystery is.
The mystery is crystal clear: literature for five thousand years has claimed a connection between humans and god-like creatures. And for much of that time, humans have seen and recorded sky craft of all sorts, from piloted ships to phenomena of apparent intelligent control and manufacture. The question is, are all these recorded sightings merely the writings of wild imagination, or are they records of real events?
Naysayers like Sage would have you believe that for the last sixty years, the thousands of recorded incidents — those that aren’t obvious mistaken ID’s of planets, jets and other natural objects — are merely the hallucinations of deranged minds. That would include, of course, air force generals, navy admirals, US and Russian astronauts, and professionals of every degree, not to mention pilots and police officers.
Many of these people stand to gain nothing from coming forward, and risk losing their careers and their professional standing by honestly reporting what they witnessed. Much of that backlash comes from negative spin-mesiters like the NAI astrobiologist, who claim no evidence exists, yet then suggest that the only evidence they’d accept is first-hand proof.
The problem is, their requirement for evidentiary material is exactly what they dismiss in others: by first denying other’s first-hand accounts, but then demanding this is the only thing they would accept, they paint themselves into an obvious contradiction that their prejudiced point of view renders them incapable of admitting.
I guess the other mystery is, how can they expect an honest account of evidence, when they so readily dismiss the evidence before their very eyes?
– TemplarScribe
http://www.MichaelDelving.com
http://www.EternalHorizons.com
November 3rd, 2007 at 11:30 pm
disowned,
I was simply decrying the science-whipped, cowardly attitude of a majority of pretty intelligent people who should be looking at ways to solve a mystery, rather than insisting it isn’t there.
November 5th, 2007 at 9:23 am
TemplarSCribe:
No, what I meant is what I wrote.
From a scientific point of view, it is very difficult to see that there is a core mystery. I believe this is a sincere perspective. There are a lot of “data,” but only a tiny subset of the data are of scientific quality, and most of the high quality data that does exist is not well known to mainstream scientists.
November 5th, 2007 at 12:24 pm
Disownedsky,
Glad we can chat about this in a civil way!
Are you saying you do not preceive a mystery in the thousands of witnssed events from just the past half-century? To me, whether there is disinfo or not in the answer (and the evidence is overwhelmingly that there is), then the mystery seems like the proverbial hand before our face.
Are you saying that you’re unconvinced of the existence of UFOs, or are you saying that the UFOs’ presence is undeniable, but that their reason for being is not a mystery?
For me, here are just a few segments of the continuing mystery:
- Why toy with our nuclear weapons, as they’ve done both in the US and in Europe, but not just come out and take them away, or permanently disable them?
- Why abduct people and repress their memories of the event, but use a technique that can be overcome by simple hypnosis?
- Why create super-advanced flying craft that can disable modern fighters (like the Iranian F-4s over Tehran in 1976) and reportedly shoot down Russian-made Migs (as overheard by NSA listening posts at the Boca Chica Naval Station), yet are allowed to be downed by something as simple as 1940s-era radar (one theory behind the Roswell crash), and then allow that technology to be back-engineered by us? Shades of “Good Night Gorilla,” where the zookeeper allows the gorilla to gain the keys to the cages!
- Why use craft that are always just beyond our comprehension, craft that appear to change design styles as quickly as Toyota or Chrysler? Surely an advance race would have come up with a best or optimal design by now?
- If they’ve been studying us for centuries, as Classical and Medieval reports and paintings suggest, then what more do they need to learn from us? How this year’s editions of “Lost” and “24″ turn out?
Of course, there are obvious answers to each of these questions, but the obvious answer may not be the correct one.
The one universal answer to these may lie in one of the following simple answers:
Because they can.
Because they operate under their own timetables and methods that may not have anything to do with what we consider rational.
Because this is the way they’ve don it for ten thousand years, and they see no reason to change it now.
For me, the entire UFO enigma is a mystery wrapped in a conundrum, and served with a side order of befuddlement.
– TS
November 6th, 2007 at 10:41 am
For me, the entire UFO enigma is a mystery wrapped in a conundrum, and served with a side order of befuddlement.
And yet we keep asking for a double helping, don’t we?