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	<title>Comments on: NASA Releases Files on Kecksburg UFO Incident</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
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		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I mean is it "fully rationalized"? (to use a favorite concept of Farrell's)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I mean is it &#8220;fully rationalized&#8221;? (to use a favorite concept of Farrell&#8217;s)</p>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
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		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well besides looking like a Jellystone Park exhibit -- has anyone read Joseph Farrell's NEW book?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well besides looking like a Jellystone Park exhibit &#8212; has anyone read Joseph Farrell&#8217;s NEW book?</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Number two could certainly include such incidents, although "accidental"/"catastrophic" data loss could almost be a category of its own.

Of course, accidents happen. And sometimes there are no records of events because in fact they didn't happen.  We often can't know. Uncertainty is often the best camouflage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Number two could certainly include such incidents, although &#8220;accidental&#8221;/&#8221;catastrophic&#8221; data loss could almost be a category of its own.</p>
<p>Of course, accidents happen. And sometimes there are no records of events because in fact they didn&#8217;t happen.  We often can&#8217;t know. Uncertainty is often the best camouflage.</p>
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		<title>By: TemplarScribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>TemplarScribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victor, I agree with your appreciation of the situation. 

Would numbr 2 include instances like the loss of official logs from Roswell AFB in 1947, coincidentally covering the esxact time period that the crash at Brazell's ranch occurred? Perhaps the lack of info is almost as telling as the files themselves.

We just have to accept that we are treated like children, and the Government is our somewhat deceitful parents, who try and get us to behave by telling us fairy tales of Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. 

I'd expect to see all three come riding up to my front door on flying unicorns, before I'd expect to see any actual files that explain what really happened at Kecksburg.

BTW: Dr. Farrell's theory of a crashed top-secret project, begun by the Germans and finished by the US, is certainly interesting. There are multiple incidents in UFO records of apparent attempts by elements of the US armed for4ces (AF, Navy, etc.) to fly someone else's technology. 

No reason to doubt that might have been behind the quick response and retrieval of the Kecksburg object. But then again, no reason that the US government would ever 'fess up, if that were the case. 

I'm certain NASA overlooked a few boxes in their "exhaustive" search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victor, I agree with your appreciation of the situation. </p>
<p>Would numbr 2 include instances like the loss of official logs from Roswell AFB in 1947, coincidentally covering the esxact time period that the crash at Brazell&#8217;s ranch occurred? Perhaps the lack of info is almost as telling as the files themselves.</p>
<p>We just have to accept that we are treated like children, and the Government is our somewhat deceitful parents, who try and get us to behave by telling us fairy tales of Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d expect to see all three come riding up to my front door on flying unicorns, before I&#8217;d expect to see any actual files that explain what really happened at Kecksburg.</p>
<p>BTW: Dr. Farrell&#8217;s theory of a crashed top-secret project, begun by the Germans and finished by the US, is certainly interesting. There are multiple incidents in UFO records of apparent attempts by elements of the US armed for4ces (AF, Navy, etc.) to fly someone else&#8217;s technology. </p>
<p>No reason to doubt that might have been behind the quick response and retrieval of the Kecksburg object. But then again, no reason that the US government would ever &#8216;fess up, if that were the case. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m certain NASA overlooked a few boxes in their &#8220;exhaustive&#8221; search.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don't have any good idea what fell at Kecksburg, these might be good circumstances to remember facts often overlooked about classification and FOIA.

Basically, there are four major possibilities if there's anything here the government &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; doesn't want us to know:

1. It's still classified.
2. It was shredded years ago.
3. It was never written down in the first place.
4. Disinformation (i.e., &lt;em&gt;lying&lt;/em&gt;) is as time-honored a security technique as the above, so that any or all of what's released could be false.

Of course, it's all "conspiracy theory" to believe your loving government does any of the above things. And of course it's wrong to buy into conspiracy theories, and if you do you'll be justly ridiculed.

And of course, it really is entirely possible the release will be complete, truthful, and reveal the facts to be mind-crushingly mundane.

But that's the beauty of disinformation, isn't it? We literally do &lt;em&gt;never know&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t have any good idea what fell at Kecksburg, these might be good circumstances to remember facts often overlooked about classification and FOIA.</p>
<p>Basically, there are four major possibilities if there&#8217;s anything here the government <em>really</em> doesn&#8217;t want us to know:</p>
<p>1. It&#8217;s still classified.<br />
2. It was shredded years ago.<br />
3. It was never written down in the first place.<br />
4. Disinformation (i.e., <em>lying</em>) is as time-honored a security technique as the above, so that any or all of what&#8217;s released could be false.</p>
<p>Of course, it&#8217;s all &#8220;conspiracy theory&#8221; to believe your loving government does any of the above things. And of course it&#8217;s wrong to buy into conspiracy theories, and if you do you&#8217;ll be justly ridiculed.</p>
<p>And of course, it really is entirely possible the release will be complete, truthful, and reveal the facts to be mind-crushingly mundane.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s the beauty of disinformation, isn&#8217;t it? We literally do <em>never know</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: craig york</title>
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		<dc:creator>craig york</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be interesting to see what turns up. I remember reading a James
Oberg article on the case that demonstrated ( Fairly convincingly )
that it could not have been the Russian
space probe thats often cited as the 
culprit. ( I think the article is at 
Encyclopedia Astronautica )

 I'll probably read the "Bell" book
at some point, but I have yet to see
anything that even begins to convince
me the Germans were that far ahead of
the curve technologicaly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be interesting to see what turns up. I remember reading a James<br />
Oberg article on the case that demonstrated ( Fairly convincingly )<br />
that it could not have been the Russian<br />
space probe thats often cited as the<br />
culprit. ( I think the article is at<br />
Encyclopedia Astronautica )</p>
<p> I&#8217;ll probably read the &#8220;Bell&#8221; book<br />
at some point, but I have yet to see<br />
anything that even begins to convince<br />
me the Germans were that far ahead of<br />
the curve technologicaly&#8230;</p>
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