Aug 08 2007
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Jesse Marcel Jr.’s Roswell Alien Symbols
In 1991, alien writing scholar Dr. Mario Pazzaglini self-published a monograph entitled Symbolic Messages. The book examined writing examples that supposedly came from extra-human sources. He sent me a copy in 1996, and an interview with him appeared in issue #6 of my zine “The Excluded Middle.”
Recently, a drawing of the symbols Dr. Jesse Marcel, Jr. said that he observed on the Roswell wreckage appeared online. I am not sure if this depiction is from his new book, The Roswell Legacy, or not, but I was struck by the difference between this drawing and one that was made for Pazzaglini in 1989.
1989 drawing
Undated (more recent) drawing
In both, he emphasizes that the characters were all a violet color, although in the undated (possibly newer) depiction, he says that they were “violet or purplish metallic.” The important difference is that the symbols do not appear to be identical. The shapes are simpler and more rounded in the 1989 version. Is this because Marcel remembered more details at a later date, or added details later? Was he hypnotically regressed for the “sharper” symbols? Although it may not be legible here, one of Marcel’s handwritten notes on the 1989 version reads, “Seen and copied from memory. Not hypnotically recalled.”
For something that Marcel witnessed sixty years ago at the age of 11, it is understandable that memories would be hazy, but this is the sort of thing that Ufologists endlessly argue about and fundamentalist skeptics jump on.
There is little doubt that Marcel Jr. saw something unusual that late night of July 7, 1947. Someone reportedly has a drawing of the symbols made by Major Jesse Marcel, and it would be interesting to compare it with his son’s efforts. I met Marcel, Jr. in Roswell last month and promised to send him examples of printed adhesive tape from the early 1950s (often mentioned by the “anti-aliens faction” as the source for the alleged symbols.) Perhaps I should ask him about this issue as well. When I get an answer, you’ll read about it here.
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August 8th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
If I saw something with mysterious runes on it years ago, and tried to draw it from memory now, it would only be an approximation of the actual symbols. If I was asked to draw it again on a second occasion, I’m sure it would differ from the first. Most people don’t remember things in that detail.
I think if he drew the same set of symbols the same way both times, it might be suggestive of a rehearsed hoax.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
I would like to be able to zoom in the images to perceive the details better.
Or is there a webpage where we can check out these images in higher res?
August 8th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
Speaking of hypnotic regression, Greg do you mention John Alexander of Los Alamos in your Project Beta book? He’s part of the “stargate conspiracy” — supposedly the NLP trainer for Al Gore no less (Al and I chatted for half an hour in the basement of a VFW, due to my buddies protesting his NWO tactics).
Anyway John Alexander was a mentor or something for Bill Moore and as soon as your book arrives I can make some conspiratorial connection to everything else on cryptic codes of channeled aliens and cults, etc.
August 9th, 2007 at 10:19 am
OK I finally found it — William Dean Ross as the source for the John Alexander channelled alien language research — from Hidden Mysteries online magazine:
I went to the Edgar Cayce Foundation at Virginia Beach and took some ESP tests. My wife and I aced the tests. The participating crowd and the staff were amazed. They took our names. We then went upstairs to the Library to look around.
While I was reading a Masonic book, I overheard a conversation between several men around the wall. They said that they had just come back from Moscow (it was Aug.1989 and the Wall did not come down until later) and were talking about a secret experiment that was conducted in Sweden. It involved CIA and KGB agents in an underground radio/television wave-proof room trance channeling to the dead. For the first time, they got Albert Einstein on television.
The men attending were Oleg Jeff Minko, a West Virginia University professor and telekinesis expert; Dr. John Sutton, technical Officer of Goddard Space Flight Center; C. B. Scott Jones, NIS/NSA and Pres. of the Human Potential Movement; Col. John Alexander, Leader of the Non-Lethal Weapons Division, of the D.O.D., and Hugh Lynn Cayce, Jr.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:16 pm
My own experience is far more pedestrian-when I was much younger,
I studied Japanese for the best part of three years. While I think I could recognize a number of chracters now, I
doubt I could reproduce more than a
handful. Given that Dr. Marcel saw
these symbols for, what, a few hours
at most? I would be surprised if there
were not considerable variation in
reproductions produced years apart.
As for the symbols themselves, I hope
you’ll post a picture of the adhesive
tape you mention-I don’t keep close
track of Roswelliana, and this is the first I’ve heard of it.
August 9th, 2007 at 4:04 pm
Any update on whether or not Symbolic Messages will see a reprinting?
August 9th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
Uth,
Good points. I thought about this when I was writing the post. Personally, I have little doubt that Dr. Marcel saw something unusual, but the point I think is to have something to present to those who are riding the fence in their interest.
August 9th, 2007 at 10:12 pm
red pill,
If you download the top (1989) image, you can enlarge it for yourself. The other one may not be available online in high-res. Have a look around and report back.
August 9th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
Drew,
I don’t know if I talk about Alexander much in the book. As far as I know, he was not a “mentor” of any sort to Moore, although they did cross paths mutiple times in the 1980s.
That story from Russia sounds very dubious, but I guess anything is possible, since people supposedly get phone calls from the dead. D. Scott Rogo wrote a book about it.
August 9th, 2007 at 10:17 pm
Craig,
After I get in touch with Marcel, I’ll post images. I’ve been collecting examples of the tape for about 10 years now. I only have 4 different kinds. I just wanted to present him with a small representative sampling and see if the shapes jog his memory, or as most suspect, he will say something like “That’s nothing like what I saw.”
August 9th, 2007 at 10:19 pm
Mr. Not Anonymous,
No one is planning to republish, although I want to get in touch with Pazzaglini’s estate and float the idea of printing it up myself. More stuff to do!
August 10th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
Greg: If you google “tifinagh and extraterrestrial” you get Peter Blinn’s analysis of said tape from Marcel. I couldn’t help but notice how Tinariwen’s music c.d. had such an alien script to it — those matrilineal Tuareg’s sure do hide their male emotions behind nice “sand creature” scarves.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:48 pm
“Great and widespread havoc was everywhere visible. Following up this track of desolation, he soon ascertained the cause of it in the shape of an immense stone driven into the side of a mountain. An examination of this stone, or so much of it as was visible, showed that it was divided into compartments that in various places it was carved with curious hieroglyphics. More than this, Mr. Lumley also discovered fragments of a substance resembling glass, and here and there dark stains, as though caused by a liquid. He is confident that the hieroglyphics are the work of human hands, and that the stone itself, although but a fragment of an immense body, must have been used for some purpose by animated beings.”
As reported by Mr. James Lumley in an interview with the Missouri Democrat- October 19, 1865.