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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/hindu-buddhist-end-time/#comment-4374</link>
		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg:  The issue is really about linear time and harmonics.  For example Human Devolution, promoted by some Hindus, is based on the concept of an "immortal human" which goes against the older Vedic concept of Brahman as FORMLESS consciousness.  This issue is really about patriarchy because "kala" means time whereas "kali" means time as female consciousness -- beyond catastrophe.  Brahman originally meant this, through the harmonics of "OHM" but the left-brain axiom "I Am that I Am" is based on a geometric-definition of time.

The same thing happened with the Mayans and people like Jose Arguelles project linear time back onto their culture -- using scalars, for example.  The best book on traditional Mayan culture is Martin Prechtel's "Secret of the Talking Jaguar" which records Guatemalan shamanism right before the CIA catastrophe there in the 1980s -- from a linear application of time as apocalypse.

The Mayans were traditionally scared of zero for a reason - it's the symbol linking to female formless awareness.  The secret of 2012 is found in complimentary opposite harmonics, not a western projection back onto nonwestern cultures.  The same "Solar" geometric definition of time occurred with the Incas, against the earlier matrilineal culture based on the moon, as recorded in the academic book:  "Sun, Moon, and Witches."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg:  The issue is really about linear time and harmonics.  For example Human Devolution, promoted by some Hindus, is based on the concept of an &#8220;immortal human&#8221; which goes against the older Vedic concept of Brahman as FORMLESS consciousness.  This issue is really about patriarchy because &#8220;kala&#8221; means time whereas &#8220;kali&#8221; means time as female consciousness &#8212; beyond catastrophe.  Brahman originally meant this, through the harmonics of &#8220;OHM&#8221; but the left-brain axiom &#8220;I Am that I Am&#8221; is based on a geometric-definition of time.</p>
<p>The same thing happened with the Mayans and people like Jose Arguelles project linear time back onto their culture &#8212; using scalars, for example.  The best book on traditional Mayan culture is Martin Prechtel&#8217;s &#8220;Secret of the Talking Jaguar&#8221; which records Guatemalan shamanism right before the CIA catastrophe there in the 1980s &#8212; from a linear application of time as apocalypse.</p>
<p>The Mayans were traditionally scared of zero for a reason - it&#8217;s the symbol linking to female formless awareness.  The secret of 2012 is found in complimentary opposite harmonics, not a western projection back onto nonwestern cultures.  The same &#8220;Solar&#8221; geometric definition of time occurred with the Incas, against the earlier matrilineal culture based on the moon, as recorded in the academic book:  &#8220;Sun, Moon, and Witches.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: OddThings</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/hindu-buddhist-end-time/#comment-4355</link>
		<dc:creator>OddThings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Greg.

Thanks for the reference, too.

I think that not only were the Hindus right, but there's practically no culture on Earth that doesn't remember the last devastation in some fashion.  Cyclical nature is, of course, big in Eastern philosophy, but it's even more direct in other places around the world.

A few even do their best to "date" the regular occurrence and I think quite a few have done their best to pass the story and hints as to what caused it down over the past 12,000 years as well.

The next few chapters of my article are a little slow in coming, but they're on the way shortly.  I certainly hope that they shed a little light on what might have happened in the past, and what might happen again in the future.  Of course, 2012 is a bit of a guess given the accuracy of our calendar over the past 12,000 years, but nonetheless, it's a starting point that ends up being within a reasonable +/- error in some calculations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Greg.</p>
<p>Thanks for the reference, too.</p>
<p>I think that not only were the Hindus right, but there&#8217;s practically no culture on Earth that doesn&#8217;t remember the last devastation in some fashion.  Cyclical nature is, of course, big in Eastern philosophy, but it&#8217;s even more direct in other places around the world.</p>
<p>A few even do their best to &#8220;date&#8221; the regular occurrence and I think quite a few have done their best to pass the story and hints as to what caused it down over the past 12,000 years as well.</p>
<p>The next few chapters of my article are a little slow in coming, but they&#8217;re on the way shortly.  I certainly hope that they shed a little light on what might have happened in the past, and what might happen again in the future.  Of course, 2012 is a bit of a guess given the accuracy of our calendar over the past 12,000 years, but nonetheless, it&#8217;s a starting point that ends up being within a reasonable +/- error in some calculations.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

It's even more amazing that McMoneagle hasn't responded. Actually, probably it isn't, since the man has integrity and no time for fundamentalist idiots. I interviewed him in 1998, and he was cool about my "skeptical" questions, as was Lyn Buchanan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s even more amazing that McMoneagle hasn&#8217;t responded. Actually, probably it isn&#8217;t, since the man has integrity and no time for fundamentalist idiots. I interviewed him in 1998, and he was cool about my &#8220;skeptical&#8221; questions, as was Lyn Buchanan.</p>
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		<title>By: strange rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>strange rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 02:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"collective amnesia", I like that phrase. :) Its also the subject of a chapter in a book that I'm reading right now. Shoot, I'd tell you the name but its at my house and I'm at my office right now. 

Oh well. In any event, some interesting ideas and food for thought. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;collective amnesia&#8221;, I like that phrase. <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Its also the subject of a chapter in a book that I&#8217;m reading right now. Shoot, I&#8217;d tell you the name but its at my house and I&#8217;m at my office right now. </p>
<p>Oh well. In any event, some interesting ideas and food for thought. <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: BenDoverEsq.</title>
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		<dc:creator>BenDoverEsq.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>December 21, 2012 is the date Terence McKenna came up with while fooling around with the I Ching, a date he came up with before he knew anything about the Mayan calendar. I seem to recall a interview with Joe McMoneagle on Coast to Coast where he stated he didn't see anything out of the ordinary when he remote viewed that date- maybe it will simply signify the beginnings of a shift in consciousness. Though perhaps it will be something much more dramatic and obvious. 
McMoneagle's remote viewing into the future has been pretty hit or miss- and McMoneagle is the best remote viewer I'm aware of so that's not meant as a slam against him. He often has hits that are jaw droppingly accurate- but when it comes to his looking into the future, I'm not as impressed. During that same interview he said that if Ed Dames had been involved with the SRI program at the same time he was he would've dropped out. Now exactly what George Noory had hoped to hear- LOL!
Wow, I just looked at McMoneagle's page on Wikipedia and it is nothing but a straight up hit piece done by a user named Kazuba who cites Martin Gardner and James Randi as influences and says on his own page, "How can I break it to you gently? The supernatural is an adjective, a very ancient and popular delusion." Since November 1 this fanatic has made 44 edits to McMoneagle's Wikipedia page. Apparently he's on a crusade to give a Skeptical Inquirer slant to some of the articles dealing with the paranormal. These radical skeptics are every bit as annoying and close minded as fundamentalist religious fanatics. Their agenda has destroyed many a good Wikipedia article. As Spicoli said to Mr. Hand, "You dick."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>December 21, 2012 is the date Terence McKenna came up with while fooling around with the I Ching, a date he came up with before he knew anything about the Mayan calendar. I seem to recall a interview with Joe McMoneagle on Coast to Coast where he stated he didn&#8217;t see anything out of the ordinary when he remote viewed that date- maybe it will simply signify the beginnings of a shift in consciousness. Though perhaps it will be something much more dramatic and obvious.<br />
McMoneagle&#8217;s remote viewing into the future has been pretty hit or miss- and McMoneagle is the best remote viewer I&#8217;m aware of so that&#8217;s not meant as a slam against him. He often has hits that are jaw droppingly accurate- but when it comes to his looking into the future, I&#8217;m not as impressed. During that same interview he said that if Ed Dames had been involved with the SRI program at the same time he was he would&#8217;ve dropped out. Now exactly what George Noory had hoped to hear- LOL!<br />
Wow, I just looked at McMoneagle&#8217;s page on Wikipedia and it is nothing but a straight up hit piece done by a user named Kazuba who cites Martin Gardner and James Randi as influences and says on his own page, &#8220;How can I break it to you gently? The supernatural is an adjective, a very ancient and popular delusion.&#8221; Since November 1 this fanatic has made 44 edits to McMoneagle&#8217;s Wikipedia page. Apparently he&#8217;s on a crusade to give a Skeptical Inquirer slant to some of the articles dealing with the paranormal. These radical skeptics are every bit as annoying and close minded as fundamentalist religious fanatics. Their agenda has destroyed many a good Wikipedia article. As Spicoli said to Mr. Hand, &#8220;You dick.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Which?) othernick,

Should have checked with you before writing this! This is just the sort of info I was lookng for when I wrote the post.

It seems that when science takes the time to look into "outsider" theories, some of them are actually based (at least in part) in proveable fact. Fearless science--what a concept.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Which?) othernick,</p>
<p>Should have checked with you before writing this! This is just the sort of info I was lookng for when I wrote the post.</p>
<p>It seems that when science takes the time to look into &#8220;outsider&#8221; theories, some of them are actually based (at least in part) in proveable fact. Fearless science&#8211;what a concept.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: othernick</title>
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		<dc:creator>othernick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"While Catastrophism has not been supported by many scientific studies (and has in fact been disproven by some, such as ice-core drilling) it remains alive as a possible explanation of apparent vanished civilizations."

The dinosaur-killing comet at the KT boundary seems like a genuine "catastrophe" that now has scientific support (and it was widely attacked when first proposed in the late 1970s).

And now the evidence for a series of much recent catastrophes is building up. Richard Firestone and colleagues have impressive evidence for a deadly supernova around 41,000 years ago and a more recent bombardment 13,000 years ago that wiped out the North American megafauna and the Clovis hunters: 
http://www.astrobio.net/news/article1726.html

A "superflood" 8000 years ago caused by a massive glacial lake in Canada breaking its bounds was powerful enough to bring the Gulf Stream to a halt:
http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn13013-ancient-flood-brought-gulf-stream-to-a-halt.html

And the proposed massive eruption of Toba in Indonesia around 75,000 years ago is beleived to have nearly wiped out our immediate ancestors, accounting for the "genetic bottleneck" in modern humans:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory

I've become a catastrophist myself because all these events seem to have left markers on our recent prehistory. I'm also reasonably convinced that collapses of several civilisations can be traced to dramatic events like supervolcanos or cometary impacts. The tree rings examined by Mike Baillie tell an interesting story of global climatic events and Oxford astronomers Clube and Napier describe the breakup of a large comet in our solar system over the past 20,000 years as the culprit.

In short, I reckon that science is catching up catastrophism!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While Catastrophism has not been supported by many scientific studies (and has in fact been disproven by some, such as ice-core drilling) it remains alive as a possible explanation of apparent vanished civilizations.&#8221;</p>
<p>The dinosaur-killing comet at the KT boundary seems like a genuine &#8220;catastrophe&#8221; that now has scientific support (and it was widely attacked when first proposed in the late 1970s).</p>
<p>And now the evidence for a series of much recent catastrophes is building up. Richard Firestone and colleagues have impressive evidence for a deadly supernova around 41,000 years ago and a more recent bombardment 13,000 years ago that wiped out the North American megafauna and the Clovis hunters:<br />
<a href="http://www.astrobio.net/news/article1726.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.astrobio.net/news/article1726.html</a></p>
<p>A &#8220;superflood&#8221; 8000 years ago caused by a massive glacial lake in Canada breaking its bounds was powerful enough to bring the Gulf Stream to a halt:<br />
<a href="http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn13013-ancient-flood-brought-gulf-stream-to-a-halt.html" rel="nofollow">http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn13013-ancient-flood-brought-gulf-stream-to-a-halt.html</a></p>
<p>And the proposed massive eruption of Toba in Indonesia around 75,000 years ago is beleived to have nearly wiped out our immediate ancestors, accounting for the &#8220;genetic bottleneck&#8221; in modern humans:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve become a catastrophist myself because all these events seem to have left markers on our recent prehistory. I&#8217;m also reasonably convinced that collapses of several civilisations can be traced to dramatic events like supervolcanos or cometary impacts. The tree rings examined by Mike Baillie tell an interesting story of global climatic events and Oxford astronomers Clube and Napier describe the breakup of a large comet in our solar system over the past 20,000 years as the culprit.</p>
<p>In short, I reckon that science is catching up catastrophism!</p>
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		<title>By: red pill junkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>red pill junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The next release of the motion picture &lt;a href="http://www.10000bcmovie.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;10 000 B.C.&lt;/a&gt; will surely spark a lot of questions regarding past civilizations and the current accepted timelines of mankind cultural evolution.

It's no wonder they're releasing this film BEFORE the year 2012 ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The next release of the motion picture <a href="http://www.10000bcmovie.com/" rel="nofollow">10 000 B.C.</a> will surely spark a lot of questions regarding past civilizations and the current accepted timelines of mankind cultural evolution.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no wonder they&#8217;re releasing this film BEFORE the year 2012 <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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