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	<title>Comments on: Heaven&#8217;s Gate - 10 Years Ago Today</title>
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		<title>By: blogman</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/heavens-gate-suicides/#comment-2162</link>
		<dc:creator>blogman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 11:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are new converts to Heaven's Gate believe it or not. On top of survivors there is an estimated 14 fresh believers in the doomsday cult. Their website is http://webspawner.com/users/heavensgatetng2/

I spoke with one of them on their address posting. I asked them who their leader was and they said that God was with Applewhite as the updated message of "the mind of Jesus". So, in turn what they are saying is the same mind that was in Jesus, not named Jesus (???), was in Applewhite. (???)

These new converts don't have a compound or base or mansion. I was told that some new believers exist in Canada and the US and across the world not including prospects. I was told that they are "self temples" and are here to claim that the information has truth in it. When I asked them if they are encouraging people to commit suicide, they responded by saying "No. We aren't telling people to stay or leave. We're just asking people to read the information and decide for themselves what best course of action they should take if they believe it is true.".

On their links area on their main page, I discovered that a documentary called "Heaven's gate: A Decade later" is being filmed. Hoooookay...!

BLOGMAN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are new converts to Heaven&#8217;s Gate believe it or not. On top of survivors there is an estimated 14 fresh believers in the doomsday cult. Their website is <a href="http://webspawner.com/users/heavensgatetng2/" rel="nofollow">http://webspawner.com/users/heavensgatetng2/</a></p>
<p>I spoke with one of them on their address posting. I asked them who their leader was and they said that God was with Applewhite as the updated message of &#8220;the mind of Jesus&#8221;. So, in turn what they are saying is the same mind that was in Jesus, not named Jesus (???), was in Applewhite. (???)</p>
<p>These new converts don&#8217;t have a compound or base or mansion. I was told that some new believers exist in Canada and the US and across the world not including prospects. I was told that they are &#8220;self temples&#8221; and are here to claim that the information has truth in it. When I asked them if they are encouraging people to commit suicide, they responded by saying &#8220;No. We aren&#8217;t telling people to stay or leave. We&#8217;re just asking people to read the information and decide for themselves what best course of action they should take if they believe it is true.&#8221;.</p>
<p>On their links area on their main page, I discovered that a documentary called &#8220;Heaven&#8217;s gate: A Decade later&#8221; is being filmed. Hoooookay&#8230;!</p>
<p>BLOGMAN</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Hancock</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/heavens-gate-suicides/#comment-1590</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Hancock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone remember that an old SciFi/vampire-horror movie (based on a Colin Wilson novel) called "Life Force" began with a space mission to intercept a comet traveling the outer edge of the solar system, and that the astronaut team discovered an alien spacecraft traveling in the comet's tail. The team boarded the craft and found humanoid bodies in suspended animation onboard and took one back to earth with them...a very naked, very nubile, very dangerous vampiress that started a pile of trouble on good old planet earth. back when the Heaven's Gate "philosophy" of Bo and Peep were being extolled by the media, I couldn't help but flash onto "Life Force" when I started hearing the comet-and-spacecraft scenario. Did somebody get any ideas there from Colin Wilson, or this movie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone remember that an old SciFi/vampire-horror movie (based on a Colin Wilson novel) called &#8220;Life Force&#8221; began with a space mission to intercept a comet traveling the outer edge of the solar system, and that the astronaut team discovered an alien spacecraft traveling in the comet&#8217;s tail. The team boarded the craft and found humanoid bodies in suspended animation onboard and took one back to earth with them&#8230;a very naked, very nubile, very dangerous vampiress that started a pile of trouble on good old planet earth. back when the Heaven&#8217;s Gate &#8220;philosophy&#8221; of Bo and Peep were being extolled by the media, I couldn&#8217;t help but flash onto &#8220;Life Force&#8221; when I started hearing the comet-and-spacecraft scenario. Did somebody get any ideas there from Colin Wilson, or this movie?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Hancock</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/heavens-gate-suicides/#comment-1585</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Hancock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a analogy I think anyone familiar with cryptozoology...such as Loren Coleman or Craig Woolheater...would understand, I would submit that Ed Dames is the "Tom Biscardi of the RV Field".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a analogy I think anyone familiar with cryptozoology&#8230;such as Loren Coleman or Craig Woolheater&#8230;would understand, I would submit that Ed Dames is the &#8220;Tom Biscardi of the RV Field&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/heavens-gate-suicides/#comment-1578</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

Every remote viewer I've interviewed has a dim view of Dames. Most are polite, but I've heard some stories! One told me that Dames subscribes to scientific journals and makes his "predictions" based on stories that the scientific community is aware of months or years before it hits the general press. It's a strange way to scrabble for a living, but there are chralatans galore in the psychic business--unfortunately, they are the most vocal, and the only ones we ever really hear about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>Every remote viewer I&#8217;ve interviewed has a dim view of Dames. Most are polite, but I&#8217;ve heard some stories! One told me that Dames subscribes to scientific journals and makes his &#8220;predictions&#8221; based on stories that the scientific community is aware of months or years before it hits the general press. It&#8217;s a strange way to scrabble for a living, but there are chralatans galore in the psychic business&#8211;unfortunately, they are the most vocal, and the only ones we ever really hear about.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/heavens-gate-suicides/#comment-1577</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mick,

I haven't read that story yet, partly because I wish I'd written it! This week I''l take a look at it for sure, then go to the back of the L.A. Weekly and look for music show listings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mick,</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read that story yet, partly because I wish I&#8217;d written it! This week I&#8221;l take a look at it for sure, then go to the back of the L.A. Weekly and look for music show listings.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan,

As I said in an earlier post on Heaven's Gate, I have little problem with cult memebers killing themselves, as long as they are not forced into it, and the "leader" goes along with them. I feel sorry for them, and especially the friends and relatives they leave behind.

TOA/ Heaven's Gate was a screwed-up bunch to be sure, but they pretty much kept to themselves. This sort of thing will happen again, to be sure, but let's hope that less people are involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,</p>
<p>As I said in an earlier post on Heaven&#8217;s Gate, I have little problem with cult memebers killing themselves, as long as they are not forced into it, and the &#8220;leader&#8221; goes along with them. I feel sorry for them, and especially the friends and relatives they leave behind.</p>
<p>TOA/ Heaven&#8217;s Gate was a screwed-up bunch to be sure, but they pretty much kept to themselves. This sort of thing will happen again, to be sure, but let&#8217;s hope that less people are involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Hancock</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/heavens-gate-suicides/#comment-1567</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Hancock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Maverick (or publicity seeking)remote-viewer Courtney Brown" was, of course, trained as an rv by the infamous maverick (or b.s. spreading) "Major Ed" Dames (sounds like "Mister Ed", doesn't it?)...a seeming idol of Art Bell's, although next to none of the old Stargate viewers (McMoneagle, Atwater,Buchanan, Smith, Riley or the others) will have much of anything to do with him since he abused/abuses the Swann/Putoff/Targ protocols right and left. Termed a "front loader", Dames tends to "lead" viewing sessions in the same way many hypnotherapists tend to "lead" so-called abduction-memory-recovery sessions. To me, Brown being Dames-mentored is a real "back off" motivator. I think, if I'm not mistaken, he's also Icke-oriented, so that makes his pronouncements doubly suspect to this ol' boy.

That whole business was a ghastly mess, but filled with enough weird ironies to really give you the willies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maverick (or publicity seeking)remote-viewer Courtney Brown&#8221; was, of course, trained as an rv by the infamous maverick (or b.s. spreading) &#8220;Major Ed&#8221; Dames (sounds like &#8220;Mister Ed&#8221;, doesn&#8217;t it?)&#8230;a seeming idol of Art Bell&#8217;s, although next to none of the old Stargate viewers (McMoneagle, Atwater,Buchanan, Smith, Riley or the others) will have much of anything to do with him since he abused/abuses the Swann/Putoff/Targ protocols right and left. Termed a &#8220;front loader&#8221;, Dames tends to &#8220;lead&#8221; viewing sessions in the same way many hypnotherapists tend to &#8220;lead&#8221; so-called abduction-memory-recovery sessions. To me, Brown being Dames-mentored is a real &#8220;back off&#8221; motivator. I think, if I&#8217;m not mistaken, he&#8217;s also Icke-oriented, so that makes his pronouncements doubly suspect to this ol&#8217; boy.</p>
<p>That whole business was a ghastly mess, but filled with enough weird ironies to really give you the willies.</p>
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		<title>By: elmicko</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/heavens-gate-suicides/#comment-1560</link>
		<dc:creator>elmicko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's an interview with Rio DiAngelo that deals with what alanborky refers to in the last comment: http://www.laweekly.com/general/features/heavens-gate-the-sequel/15930/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an interview with Rio DiAngelo that deals with what alanborky refers to in the last comment: <a href="http://www.laweekly.com/general/features/heavens-gate-the-sequel/15930/" rel="nofollow">http://www.laweekly.com/general/features/heavens-gate-the-sequel/15930/</a></p>
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		<title>By: alanborky</title>
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		<dc:creator>alanborky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, presumably you've picked up on the development of Richard claiming he was left behind to tell the world Marshall Applewhite was the Second Coming of Jesus, making him, presumably, the Second Coming of Paul?

And maybe he was - in which case we're all doomed, because all he had to teach us was to get the hell out of the world, and who amongst us hasn't at some time or other felt degrees of the sort of despair were we could've easily dreamed up this 'solution' for ourselves?

At least with his First Coming, Jesus had a certain classiness about him.

With his Second Coming, alas, he wasn't so much Do as DOH!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, presumably you&#8217;ve picked up on the development of Richard claiming he was left behind to tell the world Marshall Applewhite was the Second Coming of Jesus, making him, presumably, the Second Coming of Paul?</p>
<p>And maybe he was - in which case we&#8217;re all doomed, because all he had to teach us was to get the hell out of the world, and who amongst us hasn&#8217;t at some time or other felt degrees of the sort of despair were we could&#8217;ve easily dreamed up this &#8217;solution&#8217; for ourselves?</p>
<p>At least with his First Coming, Jesus had a certain classiness about him.</p>
<p>With his Second Coming, alas, he wasn&#8217;t so much Do as DOH!!!</p>
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