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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/alien-abduction-cultural-influence/#comment-5550</link>
		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah it's kind of like that Robbins interview Greg just did over at his radio mysterioso.  So the dude was "abducted" by his travel buddies in that sublime combo of naive adventure, altered drug states, international intrigue, and a liberal, guilt-ridden conscience.  

Mass technology (trains, planes, radio, cinema, internet, cell phones), in general, puts people in a trance state whereby the paradigm of choices is configured by the technology in question.  In radio the visual medium is more defined by the quality or timbre of the sound, not the content of the words.  In fact even in a visual medium the SOUND is what produces the stronger altered "magnetic" state.  

On that note -- listen to this female Cambodian singer excerpt -- the song "integration" -- it's a sort of psychic salve that I'm offering.

www.buymusichere.net/rel/v2_viewupc.php?storenr=93&#38;upc=72372133035

Or watch the film "War Dance" about how music is the only thing to rehabilitate the lives of Uganda children ABDUCTED and forced to be killers in the Lords Resistance Army.  www.shineglobal.org

I think civilization IS abduction in general - it's mind control.  I much prefer the Bushmen culture which humans relied on for 90% of our history, going back to 80,000 BCE.  Trance dance is the alternative to abduction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah it&#8217;s kind of like that Robbins interview Greg just did over at his radio mysterioso.  So the dude was &#8220;abducted&#8221; by his travel buddies in that sublime combo of naive adventure, altered drug states, international intrigue, and a liberal, guilt-ridden conscience.  </p>
<p>Mass technology (trains, planes, radio, cinema, internet, cell phones), in general, puts people in a trance state whereby the paradigm of choices is configured by the technology in question.  In radio the visual medium is more defined by the quality or timbre of the sound, not the content of the words.  In fact even in a visual medium the SOUND is what produces the stronger altered &#8220;magnetic&#8221; state.  </p>
<p>On that note &#8212; listen to this female Cambodian singer excerpt &#8212; the song &#8220;integration&#8221; &#8212; it&#8217;s a sort of psychic salve that I&#8217;m offering.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.buymusichere.net/rel/v2_viewupc.php?storenr=93&amp;upc=72372133035" rel="nofollow">http://www.buymusichere.net/rel/v2_viewupc.php?storenr=93&amp;upc=72372133035</a></p>
<p>Or watch the film &#8220;War Dance&#8221; about how music is the only thing to rehabilitate the lives of Uganda children ABDUCTED and forced to be killers in the Lords Resistance Army.  <a href="http://www.shineglobal.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.shineglobal.org</a></p>
<p>I think civilization IS abduction in general - it&#8217;s mind control.  I much prefer the Bushmen culture which humans relied on for 90% of our history, going back to 80,000 BCE.  Trance dance is the alternative to abduction.</p>
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		<title>By: craig york</title>
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		<dc:creator>craig york</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm about a third of the way through
 &lt;i&gt; THE ABDUCTION ENIGMA&lt;/i&gt; and I'm 
 finding it fairly interesting. While
 the issue of cultural contamination is
 difficult to prove in absolute terms, 
 it does go a fair way towards casting
 doubt on the claims of Abduction 
 researchers. 
 
 Outside of the more visable medium of
 film and television, I have a sense 
 that the idea of 'UFO's is more wide-
 spread that we might think. Case in
 point: I have a 1955 copy of POPULAR
 MECHANICS that features an article
 on a "Flying Saucer Stage" ( a turn
 table type perfomance stage ) and 
 plans for a "Flying Saucer Airboat".
 Neither is a direct reference to alien
 contact, but do demonstrate the common-
 ness of the term at the time. 

 Against that is the very good point 
 Greg makes in relation to the WAR OF
 THE WORLDS broadcast-that no reports
 from the US ( which would have been
 its area of primary influence ) bear
 any resemblence to the "martians"
 seems to me, at least, to be the start
 of a good arguement against cultural
 contamination playing too great a 
 role in abduction reports, or Ufology
 generally.

 Arguing the specific episodes of
 &lt;i&gt; TWILIGHT ZONE, OUTER LIMITS, &lt;/i&gt;
 or &lt;i&gt; ONE STEP BEYOND&lt;/i&gt;, though
 seems like studying the staples in
 a PLAYBOY centerfold...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m about a third of the way through<br />
 <i> THE ABDUCTION ENIGMA</i> and I&#8217;m<br />
 finding it fairly interesting. While<br />
 the issue of cultural contamination is<br />
 difficult to prove in absolute terms,<br />
 it does go a fair way towards casting<br />
 doubt on the claims of Abduction<br />
 researchers. </p>
<p> Outside of the more visable medium of<br />
 film and television, I have a sense<br />
 that the idea of &#8216;UFO&#8217;s is more wide-<br />
 spread that we might think. Case in<br />
 point: I have a 1955 copy of POPULAR<br />
 MECHANICS that features an article<br />
 on a &#8220;Flying Saucer Stage&#8221; ( a turn<br />
 table type perfomance stage ) and<br />
 plans for a &#8220;Flying Saucer Airboat&#8221;.<br />
 Neither is a direct reference to alien<br />
 contact, but do demonstrate the common-<br />
 ness of the term at the time. </p>
<p> Against that is the very good point<br />
 Greg makes in relation to the WAR OF<br />
 THE WORLDS broadcast-that no reports<br />
 from the US ( which would have been<br />
 its area of primary influence ) bear<br />
 any resemblence to the &#8220;martians&#8221;<br />
 seems to me, at least, to be the start<br />
 of a good arguement against cultural<br />
 contamination playing too great a<br />
 role in abduction reports, or Ufology<br />
 generally.</p>
<p> Arguing the specific episodes of<br />
 <i> TWILIGHT ZONE, OUTER LIMITS, </i><br />
 or <i> ONE STEP BEYOND</i>, though<br />
 seems like studying the staples in<br />
 a PLAYBOY centerfold&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol,

Thanks. And to think I was referencing something I wrote and got it wrong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol,</p>
<p>Thanks. And to think I was referencing something I wrote and got it wrong!</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Maltby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Maltby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You'll need to correct the "Bellero Shield" reference. That 1964 episode was part of The Outer Limits, not The Twight Zone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll need to correct the &#8220;Bellero Shield&#8221; reference. That 1964 episode was part of The Outer Limits, not The Twight Zone.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenn Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenn Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tip off that those were not the same episode of Outer Limits came from the money trail. Always follow the money? Those were two completely different dollops of latex; two separate alien prosthetics. That would have doubled the budget of the episode. Rarely do viewers find more than one alien in any given episodic television show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tip off that those were not the same episode of Outer Limits came from the money trail. Always follow the money? Those were two completely different dollops of latex; two separate alien prosthetics. That would have doubled the budget of the episode. Rarely do viewers find more than one alien in any given episodic television show.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenn,

I corrected the reference to "same episodes" in the text. Thank you.

I believe that you are reacting to something that is not there. I (and I assume Randle) are &lt;em&gt;suggesting&lt;/em&gt; that popular culture &lt;em&gt;may&lt;/em&gt; have some influence on how abductees and others perceive and recall non-human intelligences, if that is indeed what they saw. 

He's actually in the Hill's court when he says that he suspects that they never saw the &lt;em&gt;Twilight Zone&lt;/em&gt; episode in question. The "true believers" he talks about are fundamentalist abduction researchers (and perhaps some abductees) who are not willing to consider that the database may have been hopelessly contaminated. Isn't it going a little far to say that he is using polite language to hide his "true" feelings of omnipotence? I think you're reading too much into the post.

Personally, I think pop culture influence on perception is very important. What do you think the OSS was trying to do with MOCKINGBIRD and the CIA with certain aspects of GARDEN PLOT?

What is the relevance of &lt;em&gt;War Of The Worlds&lt;/em&gt;? Welles was not making that particular point, the culture did it for him. Also, this was at least a decade before the first large wave of UFO sightings, and no one yet has claimed that Martians have landed on a farm and disintegrated people with a death ray and marched off over the landscape in giant machines before dying from exposure to bacteria and viruses. In fact, I know of no UFO or alien reports that resemble anything from Wells' book or Welles' adaptation.

There is of course the possibility that non-human intelligences in corporeal (or apparent corporeal) form look exactly like what people describe. Due to the wide variety of descriptions though (read the literature) I'm not so sure. Strangely, abductees seemed to have settled on the &lt;em&gt;Communion&lt;/em&gt; form of aliens from the late 1980s on. We can guess that this is because that lifeform took over abduction duties, or, more likely, that this is the form that people expect (consciously or not) and it colors their recollections.

I really don't see a problem with asking these questions. It doesn't invalidate the experience, it simply delves into the possibility that what we see is not exactly what is going on. This might lead to a better understanding of an undeniable phenomenon, and sort out imaginal experiences from those that suggest actual interaction with non-human intelligence. Questioning influences on perception is not necessarily an attack on the perceiver. Read the last line of my post (perhaps added after you posted your first comment.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenn,</p>
<p>I corrected the reference to &#8220;same episodes&#8221; in the text. Thank you.</p>
<p>I believe that you are reacting to something that is not there. I (and I assume Randle) are <em>suggesting</em> that popular culture <em>may</em> have some influence on how abductees and others perceive and recall non-human intelligences, if that is indeed what they saw. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s actually in the Hill&#8217;s court when he says that he suspects that they never saw the <em>Twilight Zone</em> episode in question. The &#8220;true believers&#8221; he talks about are fundamentalist abduction researchers (and perhaps some abductees) who are not willing to consider that the database may have been hopelessly contaminated. Isn&#8217;t it going a little far to say that he is using polite language to hide his &#8220;true&#8221; feelings of omnipotence? I think you&#8217;re reading too much into the post.</p>
<p>Personally, I think pop culture influence on perception is very important. What do you think the OSS was trying to do with MOCKINGBIRD and the CIA with certain aspects of GARDEN PLOT?</p>
<p>What is the relevance of <em>War Of The Worlds</em>? Welles was not making that particular point, the culture did it for him. Also, this was at least a decade before the first large wave of UFO sightings, and no one yet has claimed that Martians have landed on a farm and disintegrated people with a death ray and marched off over the landscape in giant machines before dying from exposure to bacteria and viruses. In fact, I know of no UFO or alien reports that resemble anything from Wells&#8217; book or Welles&#8217; adaptation.</p>
<p>There is of course the possibility that non-human intelligences in corporeal (or apparent corporeal) form look exactly like what people describe. Due to the wide variety of descriptions though (read the literature) I&#8217;m not so sure. Strangely, abductees seemed to have settled on the <em>Communion</em> form of aliens from the late 1980s on. We can guess that this is because that lifeform took over abduction duties, or, more likely, that this is the form that people expect (consciously or not) and it colors their recollections.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t see a problem with asking these questions. It doesn&#8217;t invalidate the experience, it simply delves into the possibility that what we see is not exactly what is going on. This might lead to a better understanding of an undeniable phenomenon, and sort out imaginal experiences from those that suggest actual interaction with non-human intelligence. Questioning influences on perception is not necessarily an attack on the perceiver. Read the last line of my post (perhaps added after you posted your first comment.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kenn Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenn Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those images are not from the same episode of Outer Limits.

Kevin Randle is a lamebrain. He spends a page-long blog just to say that science fiction may influence UFO claims. Orson Welles made that point 70 some odd years ago to most people who have even the slightest acquaintance with American popular culture. I mean, whoa, abduction claims were made in a cultral environment rich with science fiction. Step back! 

And the nature of broadcast television forced them to turn from the tabloid papers, pulp magazines, comic books and movies, to look at these specific images.

Haha! Here's a quote that reveals Randles' real problem: [abductees say] "Don’t bother me with evidence because I know the truth... I am enlightened and you are not." That really bug-eyed bugs him, since he knows the truth, however much he wants to couch it in language that holds that "truth" out as just another possibility. 

Abductees quite rightly resist having their experience reduced down into some dork's science-fiction pseudo-scholarship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those images are not from the same episode of Outer Limits.</p>
<p>Kevin Randle is a lamebrain. He spends a page-long blog just to say that science fiction may influence UFO claims. Orson Welles made that point 70 some odd years ago to most people who have even the slightest acquaintance with American popular culture. I mean, whoa, abduction claims were made in a cultral environment rich with science fiction. Step back! </p>
<p>And the nature of broadcast television forced them to turn from the tabloid papers, pulp magazines, comic books and movies, to look at these specific images.</p>
<p>Haha! Here&#8217;s a quote that reveals Randles&#8217; real problem: [abductees say] &#8220;Don’t bother me with evidence because I know the truth&#8230; I am enlightened and you are not.&#8221; That really bug-eyed bugs him, since he knows the truth, however much he wants to couch it in language that holds that &#8220;truth&#8221; out as just another possibility. </p>
<p>Abductees quite rightly resist having their experience reduced down into some dork&#8217;s science-fiction pseudo-scholarship.</p>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
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		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well modern humans ARE possessed, even abducted, by their emotions -- anger, fear, worry, sadness, lust.  This is because modern humans are controlled by left-brain "rational" language which cuts off resonance with the right-brain cerebrum, left-brain cerebellum, a resonance creating the parasympathetic love emotion -- harmonizing and "exorcising," the other emotions.

So the alien is literally the subconscious projection of the reptilian brain while modern humans are literally the subconscious aliens hoping to get back to their true sense of humanity -- whole body-mind love.  UFO technology will never achieve this love energy but it is a compulsive-obsessive left-brain symptom representing the secret agenda of science as a whole: increasingly sacrificing the love of Nature to maintain civilization as a mass neurotic-psychotic projection of the repressed alien-reptilian abduction of ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well modern humans ARE possessed, even abducted, by their emotions &#8212; anger, fear, worry, sadness, lust.  This is because modern humans are controlled by left-brain &#8220;rational&#8221; language which cuts off resonance with the right-brain cerebrum, left-brain cerebellum, a resonance creating the parasympathetic love emotion &#8212; harmonizing and &#8220;exorcising,&#8221; the other emotions.</p>
<p>So the alien is literally the subconscious projection of the reptilian brain while modern humans are literally the subconscious aliens hoping to get back to their true sense of humanity &#8212; whole body-mind love.  UFO technology will never achieve this love energy but it is a compulsive-obsessive left-brain symptom representing the secret agenda of science as a whole: increasingly sacrificing the love of Nature to maintain civilization as a mass neurotic-psychotic projection of the repressed alien-reptilian abduction of ourselves.</p>
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