It reminds me of what Lilly told Leary regarding the use of LSD in sensory deprivation tank sessions as opposed to not using it (or anything else): that his most intense and amazing results came from the years of research exploring the mind UNALTERED by substance.

Not that certain substances don’t open things up, the difference is that if you learn to open it up WITHOUT the substances (including mushrooms) you GAIN the benefit of self control which makes you a better observer of and more effectively interactive with the associated phenomena.

By the way, read this book:

http://www.lulu.com/content/2019934

You really are a master of the status quo; a disciple of the ‘official story’, aren’t you?

You cite pedigreed ‘experts’ and official CIA statements, as if that has never been used to cover what’s really being done.

On clearance levels above yours, this is a practice known as ‘perception management’ and it is quite effective, as your positions on many topics so beautifully illustrate.

Ask anyone who’s actually worked in or around the CIA, and they’ll be familiar with an unofficial but standard practice of “lie, deny and counter-accuse”.
It is part of effective operational security to deny what is actually being done, for the very fact that it works on most people. Another tactic is to just have no comment. The US government has used both tactics throughout the history of things like remote viewing and UFOs, yet more evidence comes to light that indicates government involvement in the very development and application of these things.

Another thing that must be considered here is the possibility that these experts were part of the management of the perception of adversaries, casting reasonable doubt into the minds of the opposition intelligence analysts as to whether the US really did use remote viewing or didn’t, for how long, and to what level of success. It is also quite possible that such ‘expert’ conclusions were filed all throughout the program so that when it came to light, culpable deniability as to the extent of its success was provided.

They say the greatest thing the Devil ever did was to convince people he doesn’t exist. Someone may be convinced you have a royal flush in your hands at the poker table, but they can’t know for certain until you play your cards. Deniability is a useful tool.

Especially when there are so many people, such as yourself, who will cease all consideration of a possibility the moment a pedigreed ‘expert’ states it cannot be. I suppose it makes you feel more comfortable when others do your deciding for you.

Once again, your ‘Secret’ clearance proves that a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. You see, the evidence that proves you’re wrong about remote viewing is truly above your clearance level. You don’t have the need to know, so you clearly don’t.

Remote viewing, indeed, does work. Effectively. In spite of what the ‘experts’ have written or been told. And it will go on working and being used whether you believe it or not. That’s the part I love.

By the way, in this crowd, you’re probably going to come off as a disinfo/debunker/perception management agent of the government because your perceptions and opinions appear to be so laughably 1955. I do wonder what your agenda is here, because I’ve seen your positions on two topics so far and you seem to find them silly and unreal. So why are you here?

Don’t get me wrong, it’s an honest question. I’m sincerely curious and amused. I’m not saying you should go away. On the contrary. Your perspective is colorful and provocative, as one hopes to find on blogs. But I am genuinely asking myself, Why is he here? Is there a reason beyond what’s stated? Is it simply an axe to grind? That would be interesting.

Certainly, there is some reason you hold your positions that UFOs and remote viewing must be debunked.

Do tell…

Interesting to note that according to one well informed source, RV was considered ’successful’ enough to be transplanted entirely from the CIA and the services directly into an even more secret and impenetrable host - the NSA.

So it will be interesting to read Jim Marrs’ offering on the subject. I will be especially interested to read Jim’s explanation of how Remote Viewing, “may have explained the mysterious loss of both the Soviet Phobos II in 1989 and the U.S. Mars Observer in 1993;”. That will make fascinating reading.

Oh and then today I’m getting Supermob by Gus Russo….

p.s. I still don’t get these comments in my email

p.s. II Mini Book Review of An American Demonology: pretty good, enjoyable read, I recommend it…I’ll have to read Edward Ruppelts book, I discounted it because it seemed so old fashioned, but now it seems interesting….

That’s why he regretted the CIA rushed to see if there was any intelligence advantage to be gained by the use of remote-viewing, without finishing first the preliminary science to pick out “the wheat from the chaff” if you will, and then obviously the CIA grew disenchanted because the remote-viewing experience showed a lot of inconsistences and wasn’t as 100% reliable as satellite imaging.

I’m with you in wondering: well, if the NSA is still using remote-viewing, why haven’t they turned up with Osama’s location or something? It would be a valid question.

But from what I heard of Vallee’s interview, he was convinced there was something worth studying in this phenomenon, and I admit it has spiked my interest.

Did you also include in your book the fact that the military RV experiment was a complete flop since the whole entire goal of the RV program was to see if RV had “any utility for intelligence collection” (AN EVALUATION OF REMOTE VIEWING: RESEARCH AND APPLICATIONS, by Michael D Mumford, Andrew M. Rose, and David A. Goslin, pg E4-5)? In 22 years of study, it had (and still has) absolutely no utility…

“In no case had the information provided ever been used to guide intelligence operations” (AN EVALUATION OF REMOTE VIEWING: RESEARCH AND APPLICATIONS by M. D. Mumford, A. M. Rose and D. Goslin, published by AMERICAN INSTITUTES FOR RESEARCH, pg E4)

How about the fact that the RV experiment by the military was unpromising, flawed, could prove nor disprove anything, and the data obtained was sloppy, vague, and could only be supported by a lot of wishful thinking…

“As mandated by Congress, CIA is reviewing available information and past research programs concerning parapsychological phenomena, mainly ‘Remote Viewing’ to determine whether they might have any utility for intelligence collection. - CIA sponsored research on this subject in the 1970s — At that time, the program, always considered speculative and controversial, was determined to be unpromising” (CIA STATEMENT ON ‘REMOTE VIEWING’, by the CIA Public Affairs Office, 6 September 1995)

“It is unclear whether the observed effects can unambiguously be attributed to the paranormal ability of the remote viewers as opposed to characteristics of the judges or of the target or some other characteristic of the methods was used. Use of the same remote viewers, the same judge, and the same target photographs makes it impossible to identify their independent effects” (AN EVALUATION OF REMOTE VIEWING: RESEARCH AND APPLICATIONS by M. D. Mumford, A. M. Rose and D. Goslin, published by AMERICAN INSTITUTES FOR RESEARCH, pg E3)

“The information provided was inconsistent, inaccurate with regard to specifics, and required substantial subjective interpretation” (AN EVALUATION OF REMOTE VIEWING: RESEARCH AND APPLICATIONS by M. D. Mumford, A. M. Rose and D. Goslin, published by AMERICAN INSTITUTES FOR RESEARCH, pg E4)

I meant that to mean the FBI file dated from the 50s - not that it was declassified to me in the 50s! LOL.

The FBI declassified to me a file on its research into ESP way back in the 50s. They reference Puharich, and reveal how the FBI was quite excited about the idea of psychic spying, but gave up when they became disillusioned with it in the late 50s.

I wrote a chapter on this in the most recent published issue of “The Anomalist.”

The hang-up of Jim Marrs and his reptilian-remote viewing connection is kundalini, a la Gurdjieff:

“In reality Kundalini is the power of imagination, the power of fantasy, which takes the place of a real function….Kundalini can act in all centers and with its help all the centers can be satisifed with the imaginary instead of the real.” (p. 220, In Search of the Miraculous”)

So then what is real? Only pure consciousness as formless awareness.