On the other hand, I see the higher wisdom in the reality that if you help or meddle too much in a civilization that is not ready for something it may go awry over time or become dependent and unable to function on its own. Helping us directly and overtly could be compared to us throwing money at a suffering African country only to have a clan leader seize it for his own benefit. Our civilization is not at the stage where it can use higher technologies for the benefit of all. Such would almost definitely fall into the hands of a few.

So logically, the only visible alternative would be to depose such a regime and forcibly take over. But many people like that regime (foolishly) and would fight against it. Even if our weapons would do nothing against them, I’m pretty sure they’d see no value in being hated and occupying us.

In the long run, ‘helping’ a poor country does little in their favor. Maybe they’re able to see on the extremely large scale and notice that even though such will bring immediate shortcomings that it will be for our benefit as long as we don’t completely kill ourselves in the process (and then it is actually necessary to intervene to some level). This could be the natural path of civilizations that they may have seen dozens of times. Perhaps they have made mistakes before (even in our history, perhaps) and noticed that immature civilizations tend to get dependent rather than more independent when presented with help.

Nonetheless, I do think it’s plausible that they could be ‘helping’ us in some more passive way. One of these ways would be attempting to promote wisdom, which I am unaware of how could be accomplished. This would ultimately not interfere with our civilization but would help us a bit in the long run. Also, if people were not ready to accept their existence, a lot would plunge into chaos unless again, they occupied us. The problem is that the government and those in control are partially fostering this ignorance and keeping things in the dark, so it’s not entirely the population that isn’t ready. Perhaps some day the population will be smart enough to realize this and act for its own benefit, and maybe in that time they’ll reveal themselves in the open.

On a literal scale, I completely agree with you. But I think that when thinks on a larger scale, the mechanics of ‘free will’ and ‘non-interference’ actually do make a lot of sense. We’re not going to learn to solve our own problems by having them directly solved by another superior race, regardless of whether it ’saves us the suffering’ in the short term. There are probably many other problems out there that we will face as a newly starfaring race in the next 500 years that will dwarf these and we will continue to be dependent on these aliens if we are now.

I’m not sure you need to ignore it as such. I think the phenomenon is depenedent on feeding on the emotions of the person (to a degree at least), and it’s how we deal with it that affects how it manipulates us.

Your honesty is refreshing. I think it is good that people like you are investigating this and working different angles of it. Maybe since as John Keel point out, the phenomenon is “reflective” I should just ignore psychic events for a while. Even stop reading about them until it goes away. Worthy of thought. Thanks.

Jess

I’m truthfully not sure what you should do. A lot of abductees incorporate this into their lives because they come to love their little gray captors.

Now, whatever these “things” are, I’m still not sure. But the “love” angle that people have, I believe, comes from a form of Stockholm syndrome as per the article.

Maybe, these things can artificially induce the Stockholm angle. But to me, this suggests deception and manipulation on their part.

You seem to recognize that this isn’t a positive thing for the person involved - which is good that you do recognize it.

I haven’t been in your position, so it’s a tough call. I do, however, know of people who have practiced deep meditation and tried to mentally put up a block to these things - which has apparently worked.

So I very intentionally waited to post to this one until it was a bit under the radar. You see, I like it. But here is the thing; what do you do if you hate the “aliens” “UFOnauts” for deep personal reasons?

What if you harbor an aversion to such creatures due to your own experiences? What if your life has been converted into some kind of nightmare by bizzare expiriences and you can not find help?

The church doesn’t know what to do with you, paranormal investigators are too friendly to your percieved enemies (”ooh the space brothers!” Do they have any idea how annoying that is to someone who has no love for these monsters? Oh yeah, I DONT WANT TO BE HYPNOTICALLY REGRESSED EITHER!),

So you fear for your family and even though you keep becoming more fascinated (and you read everything you can find) you keep slipping deeper into paranoia. Who can help you? Can a psychiatrist alleviate your suffering? You can’t tell anyone you work for. (I am religious in a sense and even the pastoral workers can not seem to help me.) But then in my world view, the thought is that things like this happened for a reason, so there is some lesson or task I am supposed to learn/accomplish here. Am I supposed to help others like me? If so how do I find them?

You know I had walked away from this at one point, and now it has found me again. This is not something I asked for. What should I do?

Jess

Those are very good points and indeed we can draw parallels with the way we treat the animal kingdom - and that’s what worries me, given how many animal species we send to extinction (directly or indirectly) every year!

Maybe it is a case of wanting (or waiting) to reduce the size of the “herd” to a manageable level before any meaningful interaction takes place.

I loved your comment, it just seems to make so much sense. It seems to explain a lot of the problems we encounter with aliens, about them not showing themselves, and uncaring, etc… Brilliant

i’ve always drawn the jane goodall analogy when discussing this topic with friends.

do the apes care when a camera crew invades their territory? do they care when scientists grab them, or their children, to weigh them, test them, tag them, and release them? what do the apes think of these intruders? do they view them as good or evil?

those involved in the primate studies may have an altruistic streak, even a type of respect or love for their subjects (or their work), but at the end of the day, does the ape’s feelings, fears, or preferences figure into the equation?

if aliens are extra-terrestrials (i’m still on the fence on that one), then it’s logical to assume that they came to see us, to study us, much as we study the primates on this world. the majority of them neither love nor hate us. they simply operate from a world view which is incompatible with ours, and they think nothing of their tactics or actions, or how we might feel about them.

perhaps out of all these alien visitors, there are a few jane goodall’s, a few who empathize with us, who choose to interact with us (as in streiber’s case, perhaps) on a more personal level. even then, it would not be a relationship of equals, no matter how much they might care for the ape. at best, we would be pets or oddities.

if you were studying apes, and one of the subjects picked up a rock and started bashing in the head’s of the others, would you stop him? if one of the subjects set about to destroy the food supply in the area, would you stop him? if the jungle caught on fire, would you airlift out all the chimps, or let them try to figure their own way out, even if it meant many would die?

you’d make a note of the events that transpired, the ape’s actions and reactions, and you’d continue to collect data, because you’re there to study, not to interfere.

perhaps, when only a few were left, the rest having died off from wars, starvation, or whatever…perhaps you would act to save those remaining few, to preserve them against extinction.

there are somewhere around 6 billion of us humans here. we have a long way to go before the ‘kindness’ of the aliens is likely to materialize.