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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/ufo-fakery/#comment-4653</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig:

The "I want to believe" poster is one that I think will become popular again with the new X-Files film coming soon.

I suspect we're unlikely to see much serious interest expressed re the "kinda" poster I have though!

"Poster" is perhaps too kind of a description - patchwork Word document with low-res photo insert and printed on crappy printer would be far more accurate! LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig:</p>
<p>The &#8220;I want to believe&#8221; poster is one that I think will become popular again with the new X-Files film coming soon.</p>
<p>I suspect we&#8217;re unlikely to see much serious interest expressed re the &#8220;kinda&#8221; poster I have though!</p>
<p>&#8220;Poster&#8221; is perhaps too kind of a description - patchwork Word document with low-res photo insert and printed on crappy printer would be far more accurate! LOL</p>
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		<title>By: craig york</title>
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		<dc:creator>craig york</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm, sure. 

 I did some looking-a google search turns up the poster I have ( which has the Testors 'Area 51' saucer instead of
the Adamski/Meier type craft ) but the
poster does appear to be fairly available. I couldn't find anything like
Nick's poster...but I trust his anecdotal evidence...;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm, sure. </p>
<p> I did some looking-a google search turns up the poster I have ( which has the Testors &#8216;Area 51&#8242; saucer instead of<br />
the Adamski/Meier type craft ) but the<br />
poster does appear to be fairly available. I couldn&#8217;t find anything like<br />
Nick&#8217;s poster&#8230;but I trust his anecdotal evidence&#8230;;)</p>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/ufo-fakery/#comment-4619</link>
		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say that the real issue is technology ITSELF as forgery.  UFOlogists are usually presented to the mainstream media via Stanton Friedman precisely because UFOlogists continue to believe in a reality measured by rational standards.  Forgery is a central theme in neoformalism, a philosophy of critical theory, arguing that the structure and construction of an object is critical to it's meaning.  In neoformalism "meaning" is not defined by a rational, binary, message -- which in this case would be "real" or "fake."  Scientists are psychologically inept, believing that their constructions are real, whereas these forgeries of "alien" technology, are the real truth of science.  The object itself is the cosmic egg -- the pearl in the mouth of the flying dragon -- what all men secretly desire:  The jewel of the lotus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say that the real issue is technology ITSELF as forgery.  UFOlogists are usually presented to the mainstream media via Stanton Friedman precisely because UFOlogists continue to believe in a reality measured by rational standards.  Forgery is a central theme in neoformalism, a philosophy of critical theory, arguing that the structure and construction of an object is critical to it&#8217;s meaning.  In neoformalism &#8220;meaning&#8221; is not defined by a rational, binary, message &#8212; which in this case would be &#8220;real&#8221; or &#8220;fake.&#8221;  Scientists are psychologically inept, believing that their constructions are real, whereas these forgeries of &#8220;alien&#8221; technology, are the real truth of science.  The object itself is the cosmic egg &#8212; the pearl in the mouth of the flying dragon &#8212; what all men secretly desire:  The jewel of the lotus.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/ufo-fakery/#comment-4618</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The FT poster was the classic Billy Meier saucer that matched the one on the wall of the FBI office in the "X-Files" as I recall.

The one you have sounds a lot funnier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FT poster was the classic Billy Meier saucer that matched the one on the wall of the FBI office in the &#8220;X-Files&#8221; as I recall.</p>
<p>The one you have sounds a lot funnier.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Greg

I just checked and yes my scanner is definitely screwed, so I'll get it photocopied for you over the next day and put a copy in the mail.

I didn't see the one in Fortean Times, so not sure if this is the same one. I should stress it's pretty basic - "I Kind of Believe" is just in Bold black type on a plain white background with a border, and under that is an old B&#038;W photo of Adamski with one of his hot space babes, and then under that it says "And I kind of want to believe" with "want" in italics.

Frankly, I could have done a better job in a Word document (which may well be how it was done! LOL).

But if Fortean Times was selling one, I suspect there's was FAR superior to this version.

However, it's a nice thing to have even if someone did just cut and paste it together. 

I think it cost me about 80 cents from a guy who was peddling them at the Laughlin gig and who was a funny old guy with some cool Adamski stories to tell. Maybe he made it LOL. But what the heck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Greg</p>
<p>I just checked and yes my scanner is definitely screwed, so I&#8217;ll get it photocopied for you over the next day and put a copy in the mail.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see the one in Fortean Times, so not sure if this is the same one. I should stress it&#8217;s pretty basic - &#8220;I Kind of Believe&#8221; is just in Bold black type on a plain white background with a border, and under that is an old B&#038;W photo of Adamski with one of his hot space babes, and then under that it says &#8220;And I kind of want to believe&#8221; with &#8220;want&#8221; in italics.</p>
<p>Frankly, I could have done a better job in a Word document (which may well be how it was done! LOL).</p>
<p>But if Fortean Times was selling one, I suspect there&#8217;s was FAR superior to this version.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s a nice thing to have even if someone did just cut and paste it together. </p>
<p>I think it cost me about 80 cents from a guy who was peddling them at the Laughlin gig and who was a funny old guy with some cool Adamski stories to tell. Maybe he made it LOL. But what the heck!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always wanted the "I Kind of Believe" poster! I saw an ad for it in Fortean Times years ago. Can you send me an image, Nick?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always wanted the &#8220;I Kind of Believe&#8221; poster! I saw an ad for it in Fortean Times years ago. Can you send me an image, Nick?</p>
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		<title>By: red pill junkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>red pill junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know craig, but you know how it is: some sites still post stories and photos that have been proven to be hoaxes, but some people who are new to the scene don't know about it and believe the information is reliable. 

If I were a 12 or 13 year-old who were beginning to develop a serious interest in Ufology in 2008, I would probably be lost on to where to find reliable info, since I would have yet to achieve the sort of discernment I as an adult now have (or try to have at least) that let me know a place like UFO Mystic is a reliable place run by people who are not rying to push an specific agenda; that the stories told by someone like David Icke should be taken with a major grain of salt (if not with a whole sack) and on the contrary people like Stanton Friedman are more reliable, and someone like Jacques Vallee even more so.

PS: I always wanted to have one of those "I want to believe" posters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know craig, but you know how it is: some sites still post stories and photos that have been proven to be hoaxes, but some people who are new to the scene don&#8217;t know about it and believe the information is reliable. </p>
<p>If I were a 12 or 13 year-old who were beginning to develop a serious interest in Ufology in 2008, I would probably be lost on to where to find reliable info, since I would have yet to achieve the sort of discernment I as an adult now have (or try to have at least) that let me know a place like UFO Mystic is a reliable place run by people who are not rying to push an specific agenda; that the stories told by someone like David Icke should be taken with a major grain of salt (if not with a whole sack) and on the contrary people like Stanton Friedman are more reliable, and someone like Jacques Vallee even more so.</p>
<p>PS: I always wanted to have one of those &#8220;I want to believe&#8221; posters.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig:

LOL, many thanks for mindset clarification! There ARE those of an "I want to believe" mindset who aren't quite so flexible, however.

Somewhat coincidentally, in my office I have a small framed flier-size poster (about 8 x 5) that says "I Kind of Believe."

I'm not sure who made it. I bought it at, I think, the UFO Congress in 2001 (or 02) from one of the vendors there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig:</p>
<p>LOL, many thanks for mindset clarification! There ARE those of an &#8220;I want to believe&#8221; mindset who aren&#8217;t quite so flexible, however.</p>
<p>Somewhat coincidentally, in my office I have a small framed flier-size poster (about 8 x 5) that says &#8220;I Kind of Believe.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure who made it. I bought it at, I think, the UFO Congress in 2001 (or 02) from one of the vendors there.</p>
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		<title>By: craig york</title>
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		<dc:creator>craig york</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. we already have a UFOpedia, Red-
 the web. 

 The latest Mori article dovetails nicely with his previous 'Invisible Gorrila' post, and I noticed he took great pains to say that this recent
revelation does not prove that the
later photos were fakes.

 And as someone who has an "I want to
believe" poster on the wall of his
workshop, I take mild exception to
having my mindset characterized as
'rigid'. I assure you, my mindset
is as loose and jiggly as a bowlfull
of Jello and elder gods. Harrumph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. we already have a UFOpedia, Red-<br />
 the web. </p>
<p> The latest Mori article dovetails nicely with his previous &#8216;Invisible Gorrila&#8217; post, and I noticed he took great pains to say that this recent<br />
revelation does not prove that the<br />
later photos were fakes.</p>
<p> And as someone who has an &#8220;I want to<br />
believe&#8221; poster on the wall of his<br />
workshop, I take mild exception to<br />
having my mindset characterized as<br />
&#8216;rigid&#8217;. I assure you, my mindset<br />
is as loose and jiggly as a bowlfull<br />
of Jello and elder gods. Harrumph.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In theory, I'd definitely be up for the challenge. The only real hassle as I see it is the issue of having the time to do this! It would be a huge task, but valuable and worthwhile, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In theory, I&#8217;d definitely be up for the challenge. The only real hassle as I see it is the issue of having the time to do this! It would be a huge task, but valuable and worthwhile, I think.</p>
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