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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 03:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

I heard that story repeated by McKenna himself at one of those "Whole Life Expos" we used to have in L.A. The audience was clueless--most of them anyway.

What the phenomenon does for its next act is up for grabs, but whatever it is, most people will ignore it if it doesn't look like aliens or "standard" UFOS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>I heard that story repeated by McKenna himself at one of those &#8220;Whole Life Expos&#8221; we used to have in L.A. The audience was clueless&#8211;most of them anyway.</p>
<p>What the phenomenon does for its next act is up for grabs, but whatever it is, most people will ignore it if it doesn&#8217;t look like aliens or &#8220;standard&#8221; UFOS.</p>
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		<title>By: David Griffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Greg,

Thanks for the response. I don't really have a background in the UFO area so i guess I attempted to lump most people in the same basket which included this site/blog. For that gross generalisation I'll slap myself and start paying more attention.

For without the this particular lens of examination we'd not have astute quotes like this one :) --&#62;

"My stereo-typed but already debunked notion of a 'UFO' appears in the sky above La Chorrera. By appearing in a form that casts doubt on itself it achieves a more perfect cognitive dissonance than if its seeming alien-ness were completely convincing..." - Terence McKenna in the Amazon, 1970s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg,</p>
<p>Thanks for the response. I don&#8217;t really have a background in the UFO area so i guess I attempted to lump most people in the same basket which included this site/blog. For that gross generalisation I&#8217;ll slap myself and start paying more attention.</p>
<p>For without the this particular lens of examination we&#8217;d not have astute quotes like this one <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8211;&gt;</p>
<p>&#8220;My stereo-typed but already debunked notion of a &#8216;UFO&#8217; appears in the sky above La Chorrera. By appearing in a form that casts doubt on itself it achieves a more perfect cognitive dissonance than if its seeming alien-ness were completely convincing&#8230;&#8221; - Terence McKenna in the Amazon, 1970s.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

We've been discussing it for years! No one wants to listen except people who have had the experience,(or something like it) which tells you something.

Thanks for the compliment, and keep the flag flying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been discussing it for years! No one wants to listen except people who have had the experience,(or something like it) which tells you something.</p>
<p>Thanks for the compliment, and keep the flag flying.</p>
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		<title>By: David Griffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I nearly fell off my luxury directors' chair when I read that interview.

How long have we waited for people at the front of UF-oo-logy to be brave enough start integrating some discussion of neural tools to this field??! Way too long. I'm so pleased you discussed the DMT  issue and psychedelic use [we call it shamanic for respectability usually :) ] generally in the Daily Grail session. 

The likes of Rick Strassman and Terence McKenna have done us huge favours but we need to collectively grow up and stand up for this aspect of the UFO/consciousness issue. Without this element we are, in my view, a saucer short of a full deck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I nearly fell off my luxury directors&#8217; chair when I read that interview.</p>
<p>How long have we waited for people at the front of UF-oo-logy to be brave enough start integrating some discussion of neural tools to this field??! Way too long. I&#8217;m so pleased you discussed the DMT  issue and psychedelic use [we call it shamanic for respectability usually <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ] generally in the Daily Grail session. </p>
<p>The likes of Rick Strassman and Terence McKenna have done us huge favours but we need to collectively grow up and stand up for this aspect of the UFO/consciousness issue. Without this element we are, in my view, a saucer short of a full deck.</p>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
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		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Jess -- and Nick and Greg.  The latest Freemasonic-Puharich-Stargate confirmation is the production of the "quantum oscillating signature" just announced a few days ago.  A super-pure crystal was created and the magnetic field become a million times that of the local Earth's field.  This discovery also bends spacetime.

That's exactly what Puharich was taking about -- changing the magnetic moment through resonance of the molecular structure as a vortex.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/219782</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Jess &#8212; and Nick and Greg.  The latest Freemasonic-Puharich-Stargate confirmation is the production of the &#8220;quantum oscillating signature&#8221; just announced a few days ago.  A super-pure crystal was created and the magnetic field become a million times that of the local Earth&#8217;s field.  This discovery also bends spacetime.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly what Puharich was taking about &#8212; changing the magnetic moment through resonance of the molecular structure as a vortex.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thestar.com/News/article/219782" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestar.com/News/article/219782</a></p>
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		<title>By: DingoDog99</title>
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		<dc:creator>DingoDog99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew,

Don't take this the wrong way but I feel that if I was half as smart as you I would be also be twice as crazy as I am now. In some ways ignorance is bliss. 


Jess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t take this the wrong way but I feel that if I was half as smart as you I would be also be twice as crazy as I am now. In some ways ignorance is bliss. </p>
<p>Jess</p>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
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		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick -- what caught me was you stating you thought the UFOs were up to no good, basically.  In shamanism it used to be the goal to travel to the stars.  The Bushmen who could do this were usually pulled back by the women (with some cold water) because the trance is for healing, not star searching.  The Egyptians made this star travel central to their empire and the Buddhists even practice it in Mahayana.

But the highest yoga under the Brahmins is Jnana which means the "direct path."  Even the followers of the modern teacher, Sri Ramana Maharshi, are not keen to admit that he achieved eternal liberation when his heart finally stopped for over 10 minutes and then he came back to life, as a Jnana.  

A Jnana means no reincarnation -- and no karmic accumulation.  Every breath immediately empties out the thoughts to their source -- the formless awareness at the root of the heart-mind.  According to the Jnana Brahmins a person could astral travel out to the end of the universe and it wouldn't matter because the final astral level still empties out to the same formless awareness that is the source of our thoughts.  

The problem is that only a Jnana can affirm the existence of another Jnana.  Sri Ramana Maharshi spent 9 years in solitude to "cut the knot" for eternal liberation.  Since the existence of a Jnana does not depend on actions or miracles then it would be easy for this to become corrupted into a false priesthood.

The blacksmiths became the immediaries between the music-trance shamans of tantra and the Brahmin Jnana priesthood.  Traditionally the blacksmiths are totally isolated and can shapeshift into hyaenas or crocodiles -- through alchemy.

As the techno-spiritual priesthood worked with the blacksmiths the traditional shamans, like the Pythagoreans, were driven out.  The astral level of the Jnanas, in terms of spirit travel, is a low-level -- the level of humanism, the root of the heart-mind.  The result is the spiritual manifestation of machines, created by an elite priesthood, who rely on mass ritual sacrifice of humans and ecology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick &#8212; what caught me was you stating you thought the UFOs were up to no good, basically.  In shamanism it used to be the goal to travel to the stars.  The Bushmen who could do this were usually pulled back by the women (with some cold water) because the trance is for healing, not star searching.  The Egyptians made this star travel central to their empire and the Buddhists even practice it in Mahayana.</p>
<p>But the highest yoga under the Brahmins is Jnana which means the &#8220;direct path.&#8221;  Even the followers of the modern teacher, Sri Ramana Maharshi, are not keen to admit that he achieved eternal liberation when his heart finally stopped for over 10 minutes and then he came back to life, as a Jnana.  </p>
<p>A Jnana means no reincarnation &#8212; and no karmic accumulation.  Every breath immediately empties out the thoughts to their source &#8212; the formless awareness at the root of the heart-mind.  According to the Jnana Brahmins a person could astral travel out to the end of the universe and it wouldn&#8217;t matter because the final astral level still empties out to the same formless awareness that is the source of our thoughts.  </p>
<p>The problem is that only a Jnana can affirm the existence of another Jnana.  Sri Ramana Maharshi spent 9 years in solitude to &#8220;cut the knot&#8221; for eternal liberation.  Since the existence of a Jnana does not depend on actions or miracles then it would be easy for this to become corrupted into a false priesthood.</p>
<p>The blacksmiths became the immediaries between the music-trance shamans of tantra and the Brahmin Jnana priesthood.  Traditionally the blacksmiths are totally isolated and can shapeshift into hyaenas or crocodiles &#8212; through alchemy.</p>
<p>As the techno-spiritual priesthood worked with the blacksmiths the traditional shamans, like the Pythagoreans, were driven out.  The astral level of the Jnanas, in terms of spirit travel, is a low-level &#8212; the level of humanism, the root of the heart-mind.  The result is the spiritual manifestation of machines, created by an elite priesthood, who rely on mass ritual sacrifice of humans and ecology.</p>
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