South African UFOs
Today, we have a guest-posting from Tim Binnall, who provides masses of info on the latest episode of his Binnall of America: Audio show. If you’ve never listened to Tim’s show before (see the links at the end of this post), you’re missing some excellent stuff. This week, it’s UFOs in South Africa. So, here’s Tim:
Hey guys
We’ve got a pretty swank episode of BoA:Audio this week, featuring an ultra-rare guest. I’m sure the UFO Mystic readers would dig it, especially since a lot of this stuff hasn’t been heard anywhere else before.
http://www.binnallofamerica.com/boaa2.17.8.html
Cristo Louw
South Africa’s UFO Resource
1 Hour, 59 Minutes
It’s an ultra-ambitious episode of BoA:Audio as we call nearly 8,000 miles away to Cape Town, South Africa for the first American interview ever by Cristo Louw, head of South Africa’s UFO Resource. Cristo shares a variety of fascinating UFO stories that have happened in South Africa over the last century or so and we find out about famous South African contactees like Elizabeth Klarer and Carl van Vlierden. We also discuss the history of UFO studies in South Africa and how it compares to its American counterpart. Looking at big picture influences on the field, we discuss the role of the government, the military, and the media in shaping the UFO culture in South Africa. And, of course, tons more.
This tremendously educational edition of BoA:Audio features a plethora of international UFO material from a continent often overlooked in the global UFO picture.
Full Preview: We start things out with a little bit of a thumbnail look at South Africa to familiarize the listeners to that part of the world. We then get the general bio / background on Cristo Louw and how he got interested in the UFO phenomenon. Cristo talks about the formation of SAUFOR, its evolution over the last 10 years, and some of the events that SAUFOR has held in South Africa.
Digging into the meat of the subject, we find out about the history of the UFO phenomenon in South Africa. Cristo walks us through some of the key cases in South African Ufological history, beginning with an airship sighting in 1914, when no human-made flying devices were in the air over the country. He also shares a fascinating story, from around that time, about a cricket match that was interrupted by a mass airship sighting.
Looking at the “Blue Book years”, Cristo details an amazing close encounter from 1951 near Cape Town, which saw an engineer provide water to a UFO occupant who then invited him onboard the craft. He also tells us about a multiple witness UFO sighting from 1972 that saw the witnesses shoot at a UFO and the mysterious disappearance of soil samples from the UFO landing. He covers another UFO story from November of 1972, where a UFO apparently took a massive rock from a schoolyard. Moving on, Cristo details the amazing 1974 Bainbridge Incident, a strange encounter between a UFO and a couple driving from Zimbabwe to South Africa.
Cristo then goes in-depth on the incredible 1989 UFO shootdown that took place over South Africa and Botswana, which remains one of the country’s most famous UFO cases. This case saw a South African fighter jet take out a UFO via a microwave beam, a dangerous electromagnetic field emanating from the downed UFO that was disabled with help from Wright Patterson AFB in the US, the recovery of the craft and its occupants, and a trade of the recovered materials in exchange for US cooperation in South African nuclear testing. Cristo tells of some of the witnesses who have testified to the veracity of this case and has some great information about the craft’s occupants and a surprising twist in the trade between the US and South Africa.
We also talk about the Ariel School case of 1994, which actually took place in neighboring Zimbabwe and saw a large number of school children see a UFO. And we touch on the two big UFO crash reports that surfaced out of South Africa in the last two years. Cristo explains why one of those cases probably isn’t a UFO and why it is difficult, at this stage, to get much information on either case.
Turning back towards Cristo’s list of key cases, he tells us about a UFO landing in 1975 that produced notable trace evidence. He covers a 1978 UFO landing that produced multiple witnesses to both the craft and its occupants. Cristo tells a chilling tale of what became of the witnesses once they were questioned by people claiming to be from NASA. He also tells us about another UFO crash in 1995 in South Africa, a case from 1996 where hundreds of police witnessed a potential UFO (claimed to be Venus by the SA police) which Cristo thinks may actually be an IFO.
Moving on, Cristo tells us about some of the famous South African contactees, starting with perhaps the most famous, Elizabeth Klarer. Cristo shares some interesting information about what became of Elizabeth Klarer after the publication of her book, “Beyond the Light Barrier” and the strange turn of events where some of the information Klara had was withheld per the request of the South African Department of Defense. Cristo then discusses a fairly well known name in esoteric circles, Credo Mutwa. Cristo have some fascinating insight into the reaction in South Africa to Mutwa’s esoteric work, a weird story about Mutwa eating alien flesh, and lots of interesting details about the enigmatic Mutwa, including Credo’s thoughts on the source of crop circles. Following that, we learn about Carl van Vlierden and his famous book “The Twelve Planets Speak.”
Next we discuss the history of Ufology in South Africa and how it might compare to the early years of UFO studies in America. He goes over some of the key groups in the country over the history of UFO studies and describes the “flavour” of Ufology for much of the UFO era. He also talks about some of the key people in South African Ufology over the years.
Looking at some big picture influences on the UFO field, we first discuss the role of the military on influencing the scene. He explains one major difference between the military in South Africa and the American military, as far as UFOs are concerned. He also talks of a troubling rumoured connection between the South African military and the US embassy in South Africa. And he tells a humorous story of his attempt to find out the official South African policy on UFOs.
After that, we talk about the role of the media in South Africa and Cristo explains the vast amount of media in SA. He shares his experiences doing media appearances in the country and how the feedback has fared. We talk about how extensive the “giggle factor” is in South African media concerning UFOs. We also talk about the attitude of the general public with regards to UFOs and whereabouts their opinion seems to fall. Jumping back to the media for a moment, we find out if there is much of a paranormal TV boom, like there is in America. We also discuss the feelings of the South African UFO field with regards to American influence on UFO studies.
We find out if Cristo has heard much UFO information coming from South Africa’s neighboring countries. We also get Cristo’s take on some of the ancient astronaut theories that see South Africa as integral to the seeding of the human race by ETs. We also take a question from BoA’s Richelle Hawks, concerning racial issues and Ufology and what Cristo’s perspective, as a South African, is on that.
Wrapping it up, we get Cristo’s big picture perspective on what UFOs are and what they are doing here. We get Cristo’s take on whether or not we’ll see UFO disclosure in our lifetime. We find out what’s next for Cristo Louw and SAUFOR.
This interview was recorded on 1.25.2008.
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Feb 19 2008 
February 19th, 2008 at 9:03 am
Listened to it last night and it was fantastic. So refreshing to not hear the same old cases rehashed. I particularly liked learning about the South African contactees.
By the way, I tried to register for Tim’s message board months ago and never heard back- maybe it was the username I chose: ConwayTwittyFan4Life.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Ben:
LOL, yes the username could well have caused the problem! Are you really a Conway Twitty fan? I may have to re-educate you on the finer points of good music vs. bad!
February 19th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Thanks for the post, Nick. Glad to hear your readers are digging into this South African stuff.
BenDoverEsq: Yeah, we were having a big spam problem @ the foruma while back, but it is all settled now. Feel free to sign up and you’ll be approved straight away. Thanks for the kind words about the interview.
February 19th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
“Are you really a Conway Twitty fan?”
Nah, just a smartass. I came across a picture of Conway Twitty and a gold “CT” dangling from his neck and felt it was too good a pic to pass up as a avatar. By the way, Greg would probably dig this more than you given his taste for weird music but there’s a video on YouTube of Conway Twitty performing with the Residents (those giant eyeballs from San Francisco). Completely insane, though not as insane as me learning today that some conspiracy theorists think Boxcar Willie was involved with mind control experiments- LOL! On his Wikipedia page someone had even mentioned (though it was removed) that Boxcar was a reptilian- LMAO!
February 19th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Ben:
LOL, re Twitty! Yeah, I’ve seen that Boxcar Willie stuff before. Bizarre!!
February 19th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Goddammit Tim, I asked you to guest first!
No worries.
February 20th, 2008 at 8:58 am
I don’t know what you mean.
You were the first guest when we came back two weeks ago.
February 20th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Sorry for this late reply, I’m just in the process of hearing Cristo’s interview, and I’m in the part when he tells the case of an engineer who had a close encounter with the crew members of a UFO; I just wanted to point out three things:
*This case is the first thing mentioned in J.J. Benítez latest book “El Hombre que susurraba a los Ummitas” (The Man who whispered to the Ummites), Benitez interviewed this man personally several times, and it appears the craft the engineer saw landed had the famous (or is it infamous) UMMO sign )+(.
*When the engineer and the first crewmember entered the craft, it was revealed the purpose of the water they were carrying; apparently one of the “visitors” was injured. When the engineer asked what the matter was, the first crew member replied that his friend had been hurt durying the atmosphere entry of the craft. The engineer offered to take them to a hospital with his car, but the visitor politely refused, saying “No medics”.
*The visitors were described as human (blonde too, I think), but slightly smaller in height (1.6 meters or so), wearing strange white “laboratory coats” (think “Dexter’s lab” guys), no space suits or anything, that’s why at first the engineer saw nothing strange with this experiece, until he saw the craft.
There are several illustrations of this case in Benítez book, which I’m sorry to report is not available on english —but hey, that’s why I’m here for
Well, that’s it. I’ll continue hearing the interview. Thanks to Cristo and Binall of their amazing effort.
February 21st, 2008 at 5:57 am
Listened to the show the other night.As
with most of Tims interviews I found it most Informative & enjoyable.It sparked off something I had totally forgotten about.I have a South African workmate who once told me a story involving his brother who was in the SA
Airforce at the time.Something about a
UFO retrieval in west Africa in 1987 if I remember correctly.When I started jotting some of the info down he pretty much ended the conversation. First thing monday morning I’ll see if I can get anymore out of him. What made
me take interest is this guy is a humourless gentleman & has no interest in the UFO subject at all.
February 21st, 2008 at 9:56 am
Good luck on your investigation Kristian