A Startling Revelation
Part 5 of the Moca Vampire Saga
Read Part 1 here on UFOmystic entitled: Dark Visitors: Puerto Rico’s Moca Vampire.
Read Part 2 here on UFOmystic entitled: Killer Snakes, Winged Weirdoes and Politicians.
Read Part 3 here on UFOmystic entitled: The Night Watch.
Read Part 4 here on UFOmystic entitled: A Legendary Researcher On the Scene.
Ufology in particular, and the study of the paranormal as a whole, represent a field of endeavor in which the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle that the researcher hopes to piece together sometimes do not emerge for many years. This too has been the case with Moca’s best-known citizen. Although it would be a source of enormous satisfaction to be able to say that the solution to the riddle of who or what was the Moca Vampire has been found, the best we can do thirty years later is to learn that a government-mandated cover-up was in effect at the time.
On May 1, 2004, at a UFO event organized by researcher Reinaldo RÃos and held at the Guayanilla Public Library in southwestern Puerto Rico, retired police officer Marcelino Pérez told his story to an audience of over 400 people who crammed into the library’s auditorium.
In 1974, Pérez explained, he held the rank of lieutenant in Puerto Rican Police and became involved in the Moca Vampire’s depredations during the course of his police work. His supervisors in the island’s police force had issued the order that any and all mutilations ascribed to the unknown predator should be classified as the work of feral dogs. According to this secret memorandum, the retired officer added, avoiding a panic was of the essence, and anyone discussing the subject in terms of space aliens or monsters should be openly ridiculed as a liar or madman. This was the fate of a certain journalist who wrote certain stories about the unknown mutilator for one of the island’s newspapers: the reporter was accused of hoaxing the stories and even worse, of being responsible for the animal mutilations.
On the average, according to Marcelino Perez, the Moca Vampire would appear and disappear with three-month lapses in between each spate of activity. The police investigated over a hundred cases in all—cases in which he would arrive on the scene and proclaim in a loud voice that the mutilations had been the work of wild dogs. Given his rank in the police, he explained, people believed him and returned to the homes with their feelings slightly assuaged. It is his belief that his willingness to go along with the directives issued by his higher-ups resulted in his promotion to captain shortly after—a rank with which he retired from law enforcement.
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Mar 15 2007 
March 15th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
Nick…
Says a lot about officialdom and their “explanations” of things, doesn’t it. Squares off with a lot of the cattle mutilation “explanations” in the US southwest, and with a lot of UFO “incident solvings” as well. Just lie. Just do the old Joseph Goebbels schtick and lie through your teeth.
March 15th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
Bill,
And the bigger the lie, the more likely they are to successfully sell it. Isn’t that what P.T. Barnum said?
It would be nice to believe our governments don’t mislead their citizens, or that if they do it only happens when it regards something of critical importance, like genuine national security issues and such. Would that it was so clean and neat.
I am (to my eternal damnation!) a civilian Federal employee. We routinely follow policies that are well known but unwritten that result in plausible deniability. A minor example of this would be the records we keep on employees with regard to disciplinary matters. With our computer network we can record details of employee issues in such a way that they are permanent records which can be backed up on tape and secured in multiple sites quite easily for security purposes. However, our official policy is that all such materials be kept on good old floppy disks and NEVER on any network drive.
The official reason for this: Policy. That’s the way the original policy was written (back in the days before networks were common,) and since that’s how the manual says to do it, that’s how we do it.
The real, unspoken but well-known reason: Should we be called to account for violations of the law, and be called into court and our records subpoenaed, those floppy disks can always be lost or found to be corrupted, and the damning facts against us conveniently made inaccessible. And we do look judges directly in the face and say, “We’re sorry, your Honor, but the documentation the witness suggests we have was on a disk that was lost and therefore cannot be produced.” So we lie about those kinds of things routinely, and no one can prove any different. If we had recorded that information somewhere on a network there would always be ways to resurrect the damning evidence, but we don’t allow that to happen.
I’d like to say routine employee issues are the only thing we are deceptive about, but there are a lot more skeletons in our closet.
March 16th, 2007 at 5:08 am
Our officials lie? Well, tie me kangaroo down sport.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:34 am
Yep, They lie. And many of them are stupid, too. people are all the time talking about how..”obtuse”…George Bush can be. My favorite has long been this:
Despite all this agenda-driven partison shrieking about how Bush “Lied” about WMD in Iraq..and placed in a context designed to make it seem that he “duped” the world…the fact is that the world well knew about WMD and Saddam before Bush ever took the oath of office. Everyone from Clinton to the UN on screamed about it…all through the end of the nineties. Yet “somehow” BUSH orchestrated all this! At least according to Hilary and Pelosi and company.
The fact that he couldn’t have seems beyond the reach of way too many minds.
YET he DID do something stupid with Iraq up front that has had me wondering about the guy for a LONNNNNG time: he tells them we’re going to come in and deal with them and their WMD and sets a time limit on this. And my first thought as an ex-intellence analyst is “Say Whaaat? Are you nuts? They’re going to take this time limit idiocy and move all the WMD stuff over into Syria. Then we’re going to go in and it isn’t going to BE there ! Then all these nut jobs in the states are going to scream there never were any WMDs (I guess he gassed the Kurds with proctological methane) and that “you” lied and made all this stuff up about the danger…even though the UN had already declared it real before you even hit the white house.”
And sure enough, though the fools never did or said anything about it, we got intelligence out the wazoo, from satellites, recon flyovers, and assets on the ground, that the entire Iraqi WMD program was transferring into Syria and that lines of 18-wheelers were backed up for MILES at the border, crossing over, one big-rig at a time, and carrying “the stuff” with them.
So then we go in in force (after the deadline expiration of course) and…surprise! surprise!…we can’t find any WMDs!!!! Well DUH!!!! I guess NOT!!! And then began the litany “Bush lied, people died”. No, Bush was stupid and people died. This whole thing was Al Capone and bootleg liquor in 1920s Chicago all over again. Capone always came out “clean” because he always got tipped to the prohibition raids and never got caught with the goods. He moved the “hootch” and the feds swooped down on empty warehouses. Did that mean Big Al didn’t make and sell contraband? That he was a straight-up, wrongly maligned “swell guy”? Don’t think so.
Bush should have learned some history. Seems he did not. Now he pays for it. And both the Democrat and Republican disinformation machines roll on.
March 17th, 2007 at 2:22 am
Bill, Raven,
So rarely does someone hit the nail on the head quite like the two of you did in your posts.
I guess the problem with me is that it doesn’t bother me. When my organization lies to the media or makes up something completely fictional to confound an enemy or even a nosey civilian or official, it doesn’t bother me a bit. In fact I have been the guy who looked a reporter right in the eye and said. “No comment, please direct all questions to our Public Affairs Office.” while fully in the knowledge that we had made up a front story for the PAO anyway.
I kind of get a charge out of that.
Does that make me a bad civil servant?
jess
March 17th, 2007 at 7:08 am
Wouldn’t sweat it, Jess. It’d just roll on without you. And you didn’t lie, the PAO would do that for you. I learned a long time ago that they ALL lie : the government AND the media. Oops! Forgot about LAWYERS! Can’t leave THEM out either! LOL! And then you have children being “educated” to the lies growing up (was it Napoleon or Cornwallis who said “History, gentlemen, is but a lie agreed upon”?).I recall the Cuban Missile Crisis, where Jack Kennedy went on tv and we were “at the brink” with the russkies and JFK “backed them down”.
Horse manure. They were doing deals on this thing before Kennedy went on the air. The Russkies put the missiles there on purpose to provide bargaining chips to get the plots on Castro taken off the table and to negotiate withdrawals of American missiles in Turkey and Pakistan. They ended up getting EXACTLY what they wanted in the end and JFK got to look like Mr. World-Beater. All of it humbug.Just like stage magic. One hand provides the distraction and the other hand does the trick.
March 17th, 2007 at 11:09 am
Jess & Bill,
There are legitimate reasons when governments need to withhold, distort or just flat out lie about what they are doing, what they are going to do, what they are supposedly not doing, what they know or don’t know, etc. They lie to their own citizens and they lie to the rest of the world. Sometimes circumstances dictate such a course of action because it really IS necessary for the protection of a nation’s citizens and its allies.
Case in point; Oliver North. He stood before congress and lied, and he knew he was lying. And even as the “told the truth”, he only told a part of it. The rest he continued to obfuscate (read here, “lie”.)
His motivation was to protect the integrity of the office of the President. Not to protect Ronald Reagan, per se, but to protect the office Reagan held. Reagan was really the first president after the Nixon fiasco to win the hearts and confidence of the American people. Whether or not Reagan was right or wrong in his actions, North understood that the greater damage to the nation would be to throw the public into even greater distrust of its presidents than it already had. So North took the fall so that the office of the President wouldn’t have to. He was a product of the military and he did what he was trained to do.
Personally, and this is debatable, I realize, I believe North’s course of action was the correct one, all things considered. Having said that, I think there are clearly times when the lies and deceit are perpetrated because it benefits particular people or groups of people. I think many times there is nothing more than economic incentive at stake, or someone’s own little fiefdom that needs to be protected or expanded. In cases where it is not a matter of preservation of genuine rights, safety, or freedoms, that sort of self-serving deceit should be rooted out and exposed.
Bill, it’s funny that you mention lawyers and the Cuban missile affair. My wife is Colombian, with a doctor of law degree. She studied at a “Communist” university in Colombia. One of the things she has told me repeatedly that she heard many times while in college was that the entire Cuban missile crisis was manufactured by Khrushchev to, just as you said, get those missiles of ours out of the middle east. He had no leverage to do so, and so he manufactured leverage by using Cuba.
My wife laughs because we Americans have the perception that it was like two gun-slingers in the old West, facing off at high noon in the center of town, and our gun-slinger stood tall while the Soviet gun-slinger blinked first.
In fact, Khrushchev got exactly what he wanted. Kennedy wasn’t stupid, either. He knew that’s what was going on and he also knew he’d been out maneuvered regarding the middle east missiles. He made the best of it by posturing so that he could look like the defender of the freedom in the eyes of the American people and the world. Khrushchev was well aware of that fact, but was willing to make that concession in the interest of getting the missiles out of the middle east. Most Americans have not a clue about the game that was really afoot back then.
March 17th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
when did ufomystic become right-wing nutter apologist central?
March 17th, 2007 at 1:46 pm
re: north
March 17th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
ecks…
Didn’t realize it had. Just a place where the lies of officialdom (and otherwise) might get analyzed as to motivations as “they” see it. And we still haven’t pinned down why all the lying has to go on about UFOs, moca vampires, and the like. Only that it does. Project Blue Book was another lie, being nothing more than a “P.R.” front…which I think Ed Ruppelt came to realize, to his disappointment and chagrin. The Washington National Aerial Extravaganza of 1952 led directly to the Robertson Panel and the CIA and that led to the “Deny It All & Cover It Up” dictum that has remained in place as a modus operendi ever since. Ruppelt had the investigative authority of Blue Book stripped away and reinvested (secretly) in the 4602nd Air Intelligence Squadron (and other groups) and his unit became a mere “dog and pony show”. And we, the public, were never allowed to know that until long after (and even now the fiction is officially maintained…for the bureaucrats and the media morons).
Presumably, as Raven explains, they’re doing so because they think they’re “looking out for us”. Well, I’d rather make an informed judgement on that with some facts before me. I get tired beyond belief of “officials” telling me what I need to be doing or thinking. But from Puerto Rico to Paris,and Moscow to M
March 17th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
Ecks,
Oliver North was simply the example I chose to cite in which government’s and their representatives lie to their own people for what some consider “acceptable” reasons. This is an argument often used as a justification for UFO secrecy, cattle mutilation denials, the Moca Vampire (the subject of this thread,) and any host of other topics.
Sorry if the subtlety of the reasoning establishing the relationship overtaxed you, sport. Next time I’ll be sure to connect the dots, too.
March 17th, 2007 at 5:11 pm
Bill,
The flip side of the “deny everything” coin is the question: What if the folks in charge of information related to UFOs or the “fringe” subjects are right? What if the information being hidden is so mind-bendingly unimaginable that the vast majority of the people would simply shut down?
In Nick’s Body Snatcher’s book it discusses the fact that the existence of, and successful arrival onto US soil of the Japanese Fugo balloons was kept out of the media. The government requested the media not report about them so as to deny the Japanese military command the confirmation that their little project was in fact working.
From a military perspective that makes perfectly good sense, but it seems to me there is an additional consideration that may have been in play, namely, what would the effect been on the American public if the Fugo balloons had been made known to the general population? If Uncle Sam had come out and said, “Mr. and Mrs. John Q. Public, we just wanted to confirm that the Japanese have indeed found a way to send bombs, chemical weapons and bacteriological agents across the Pacific and onto US soil. The casualties could be very high, but there’s not really much we can do about. Sorry, but we thought you’d like to know.” If such an acknowledgment was then punctuated by a couple of successful Fugos bringing substantial casualties, would the government’s disclosure of the truth have improved circumstances or only exacerbated the situation by causing panic?
And the Fugos, though they had the potential to be nasty little suckers, are at least something we can grasp. They were just balloons with weapons on them. Nothing “spooky” about them, so to speak. We might not like them, but we could at least get our brains around the concept of what they were and how they worked.
If UFOs and other enigmatic subjects like the Moca Vampire, Chupacabra, Sasquatch, etc, are part and parcel of a much more esoteric range of phenomena, perhaps the secrecy surrounding them is justified. I like to believe I could handle the truth about such things, but if the truth really is beyond anything I’ve ever conceived of, maybe when confronted with it my paradigm of reality would crumble?
March 17th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
“Sorry if the subtlety of the reasoning establishing the relationship overtaxed you, sport. Next time I’ll be sure to connect the dots, too.”
i confess i get rather knee-jerk when it comes to those such as North.
but please, say whatever you want about me or my posts, just don’t call me “sport”!
March 17th, 2007 at 6:16 pm
Ecks,
I considered writing “left-wing nutter”, but would’ve fallen to the level of name calling and name calling’s just plain silly.
OK, sunshine, my apologies. I won’t use the term “sport” again. (Personally, I’d have stuck with “sport”!)
Just jerking your chain, a bit, Ecks.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:28 am
Raven, Bill,
Correct again and I would have to agree. Governments tend to lie for very good reasons (sometimes) and one could conjecture that during the Iran Contra affair or the Fugo Balloon attacks the government knew exactly what it was doing.
But governments lie the most to avoid embarrassment. What do I mean? Say an air force General decides to call his special operations colonel on the carpet for a budget that has gone way overboard and the Colonel has failed to reconcile.
When the Colonel owns up to what he was doing it appears that the Colonel had spent ridiculous monies at “Stars Cabaret” and on a local fortune teller.
The general is wroth and chews his Colonels ass. He then decides a scandal isn’t in his best interest. So he creates a “special project” to throw off the defense accounting people. He punishes the Colonel by forcing him to generate a dossier of false documents about a “remote viewing” project naming the fortune teller and dancing girls as the subjects and control subjects in this “black” operations experiment.
Then for a finale he has a Master Sergeant leak the dossier to a UFO researcher to further confound comptrollers and to maybe earn rights to some book royalties (or even a good laugh) This may sound ridiculous and far fetched but I saw something similar happen and the end result was a conference that I didn’t want to go to becoming mandatory so we could take part in a “notional exercise” that never really happened.
So the long and short of it is this; my theory is that the government has no clue what UFOs, Moca Vampires or incomprehensibles are or do. The layers of secrecy on top of secrecy betray ignorance rather than conspiracy. We can’t control our waters, our airspace or our bedrooms and that is so freaking embarrassing to the brass that they would rather make something up than admit it.
Jess
March 18th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Jess,
One problem with seeing “the government” as clueless is that the whole she-bang is so compartmentalized. I’m sure Bill can vouch for that from personal experience. There are doubtless some groups who have knowledge but most do not. And there is a further possibility that an MJ-12esque group or groups also exist and operate autonomously with little or no government oversight.
Jimmy Carter’s presidency makes for an interesting study in UFO information denial. Marcia S. Smith, who was Director of the Library of Congress’s Science and Technology Division of the Congressional Research Service from 1984-1985, said Carter approached George Bush while he was head of the CIA and, said;
“I want to have the information that we have on UFOs and extraterrestrial intelligence. I want to know about this as President.” (Note - If memory serves, when this exchange took place Carter was only the President Elect, and had not yet officially taken office, but then again my memory may be off on that.)
According to Marcia Smith the reply from GB ver-1.0 was:
“No…that he wasn’t going to give this to him…that this was information that existed on a need to know basis only. Simple curiosity on the part of the President wasn’t adequate.”
This implies that the CIA was in possession of information regarding UFOs they were unwilling to share. Maybe it wasn’t the complete picture, but they had at least a piece of the picture.
Then there is the denial of access to Barry Goldwater. A portion of a letter he later wrote about the incident reads:
“BARRY GOLDWATER
Arizona
Committees:
Aeronautical & Space Sci. Armed Services
Preparedness Inv Subcommit
UNITED STATES SENATE
Tactical Air Power Subcomm
Washington D.C. 20510
N. S. Naval Petroleum Reserves Subcommittee
March 28, 1975
Mr. Shlomo Arnon U.C.L.A. Experimental College 308 Westwood Plaza Los Angeles, California 90024
Dear Mr.Arnon:
The subject of UFOs is one that has interested me for some time. About ten or twelve years ago I made an effort to find out what was in the building at Wright Patterson Air Force Base where the information is stored that has been collected by the Air Force, and I was understandably denied this request…”
Goldwater was phrasing the denial he’d received in politically correct terms. He gave an interview in 1994 to Larry King in which he provided a more colorful (and probably accurate) account of the denial. He said:
“I think at Wright-Patterson, if you could get into certain places, you’d find out what the Air Force and the government does know about UFOs. Reportedly, a spaceship landed. It was all hushed up. I called Curtis LeMay and I said, ‘General, I know we have a room at Wright-Patterson where you put all this secret stuff. Could I go in there?’ I’ve never heard General LeMay get mad, but he got madder than hell at me, cussed me out, and said, ‘Don’t ever ask me that question again!’”
So again, there’s the implication that the government/military really has information but is unwilling to provide access to it even to a senior senator who stood on committees in direct oversight of Space & Science and Armed Services, both of which one would think had obvious relevance to the subject of UFOs.
Then in 1994, House member Steven Schiff of New Mexico tried to get information regarding the Roswell case released and said he was obviously “getting the run around,” when the DOD, Office of Secretary of Defense and the National Archives kept denying they had anything thing and referring him back amongst themselves. Once again, there is the suggestion that information existed but was being withheld.
Quite honestly, I don’t know whether any arm of the government or military branch has the whole story. Perhaps there’s a lot of posturing and denials going on just to keep up the appearance of being in possession of important information. Or maybe bits and pieces are contained in a lot of different places and no one wants to share what they have with any of the other players.
The government relies on private contractors like Lockheed, Boeing, etc, for R&D and production of many of their toys, especially military hardware. It would not surprise me at all if contractors like these had their own little private projects going on the side as direct offshoots of their government contracts, knowledge of which is deliberately kept secret from their government paymasters. In fact I’d be more than a little surprised if that sort of thing WASN’T going on.
March 18th, 2007 at 6:31 pm
“sunshine” is fine by me.
March 19th, 2007 at 10:12 am
You will also note, if you read between the lines in Philip Corso’s book “The Day After Roswell”, this interesting tidbit of information; the Roswell crash
took place before the organization of the US Air Force. Roswell was a US ARMY Air Force (Corps) base. The matter was not handled by AFOSI or any Air Intelligence branch because there weren’t any such things yet. It was ARMY S2 security there and the Counterintelligence Corps (CIC). And Corso says HE kept control of all this material over the years, much of it in a Pentagon safe. But Corso didn’t “go Air Force” at the changeover(did he?). He remained in ARMY Intelligence . That would imply that the ARMY is the agency that kept all the “real” evidence from this…didn’t let the zoomies have it at the split-off…and has been the real control group sitting on this stuff for years and the Air Farce has been used as a Red Herring. This sounds just like some of this chicanery the government uses to play the “shell game” with info.
The disturbing thing about the clearances business with cases like Goldwater and such is that you have to wonder just WHO decides who has the need to know. One of my favorite examples of this comes from the movie “Independence Day” when the President of the United States (Bill Pullman) has a civilian suggest they try to use some of the captured alien weaponry at Area 51 against the invaders. Pullman scoffs at this and assures the well-meaning one that such stuff doesn’t really exist. At which time his National Security Advisor becomes a bit dis-composed and suggest that “might not be true”. The astounded president then asks incredulously why he was not told of this and is informed that he…the President of the United States..wasn’t cleared for it on a need-to-know basis.
This is a very funny moment in the movie, yet at the same time for a number of us, it is…on the “flip side”…positively chilling. Because it suggests that Supreme Court judges, almost all senators and House representatives (all elected officials “just passing through”)and God-knows who all else (maybe even the President of the United States FOR REAL)
may well NOT be “cleared” for need-to-know on this. And if that BE the case, then who in the heck is it that DOES run this show and MAKES the decisions on who can know what? And WHO gave THEM the authority to DO such? In essence, who watches the watchers? As an old “spook”, this is always something that has bothered me in all this UFO hugger-mugger.
March 19th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
Bill,
Agreed. Who does watch the “Watchers”? (no Biblical pun intended.)
If Marcia Smith’s account is accurate, then George Bush ver 1.0 made the call to deny Carter access to UFO data. I’ve always wondered if he was really making that decision, or was just parroting the response he’d been told to give. It seems odd to me that the Director of the CIA is an appointed position, and yet that individual who sits in that position has the unbridled authority to deny access to the office that appointed him? If such was the case it suggests a serious compromise in the system of governmental checks and balances and, as you’ve pointed out, any form of oversight by our elected representatives or the judicial system would be right out the window.
One interesting thing I’ve caught hints and glimpses of through my Federal career is the use of black budget projects as a shield to cover even more deeply hidden projects. For instance, some of our Boeing plants here worked on the development of Stealth aircraft technologies. These were legitimately classified, black budget projects at the time, and as such they were not subject to oversight or FOIA requests or anything else. However, from time to time I would catch a hint here or there that there was other work being carried on under the umbrella of one of these black budget operations. If a question about this was raised, the official black budget project and “national security” regarding it was cited as the reason that question could not be addressed.
For instance, suppose there was really work on UFOs going on as a sub-project to stealth development. If you asked about UFOs you’d be told “We have no interest in that subject.” But if you cited some connecting links that appeared to point in the direction of UFOs you were told “What you’re asking relates to the stealth project, not UFOs, and we don’t talk about the stealth project.” And that’s where the conversation ended.
I took to calling these more deeply buried projects “virus projects” because of the way they’d seemed to insert themselves.
In any case, I often wondered just who really knew and coordinated the virus projects? They were of such a nature that their costs must have been substantial, making funding by private individuals acting alone unlikely. There had to have been money siphoned off of the black budget project, and since that money is off the books to start with any of it that may have been diverted to other things was virtually untraceable.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:48 am
All this squares up with talks of a shadow government and of Fletcher prouty’s old talk of a “Secret Team” that REALLY pulls the strings of things throughout government. I am not now, and never have been (apart from JFK, RFK, and MLK), a “conspiracy theorist” in the sense of some of these looney tunes out there (certainly not with 9/11 and the fed gov), but SOME of this stuff just makes you seriously wonder.
And there was some “off the record” talk by some in DIA years ago up in Virginia about the notion that all these Government Accounting Office invesitigations of outrageous pricings for DoD purchases ($435 claw hammers, $300+ Mister Coffees, $500+ toilet seats, etc., etc.) were representative of intentional overcharges done in an elaborate kickback system wherein the overcharges were re-channelled into the financing of “Deep Black” projects run by DARPA and other deeply “sub rosa” tekkie units. That we weren’t really being stupidly “taken” by unscrupulous distributor-contracters, but that the books were always being “cooked” to hide the fact that huge sums of money were being diverted to such projects.
And an artist/filmmaker friend of mine, who is VERY liberal (as liberal as I am middle-of-the-road-tending-conservative) has told me for years now that this “stuff” (all this deep black Control) comes neither from “his” side of the aisle, nor from, say, Rush Limbaugh’s side of the aisle, but from…as he puts it…”somebody else”. And that Dems and Reps are continually being “played” against each other in a “divide and conquer’ fashion. Sounds like a Jim Marrs type scenario to me. But, like I said earlier, it has always made me wonder.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:57 am
Bill,
Some of that talk about $7000 toilet fixtures and such is largely a red herring. I have a close friend who ordered some of those expensive parts. She explained to me that what the media left out of all the sensationalist accounts was the fact that a lot of these items were unique, one-of-a-kind creations, if you will. You couldn’t just go down to the local hardware store and pick them up, and no manufacturing company had the tools to make them.
So those highly inflated costs represented the expense of retooling and gearing up on the part of the contractor to make things that had never been made before and would only have a limited range of application, so there was no way to recoup their costs down the road by continuing to manufacture and sell the things.
Some of that stuff may have been cooked, but after she showed me the cost projections and purchase orders on several items I was satisfied that her explanation explained things.
I lean towards your artist friends’ view myself. Just out of curiosity, in your career were you ever privy to any information regarding a protocol named, “Operation Silent Surrender”?
March 20th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
I am glad to hear some confirmation that all the “darker ramifications” of megabuck clawhammers and coffee pots may have prosaic explanations. That kinda takes a load off. Some of these other speculations were, admittedly, along the lines of canteen coffee machine jabber and not anything substantive, but there was enough to give one pause.
I don’t recall hearing anything about anything called “Silent Surrender”, but the name itself sounds suggestive of some speculative notions I heard floated around a time or two under the handle of “The Long March”. This may be something totally different, though. I have no idea.
Bill
March 20th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
A very good buddy of mine was at the Pentagon in 1977 on assignment. I can’t get more specific than that because it would be too easy to identify him if anyone “official” ever wanted to, and I doubt they would look kindly on any reference to “Operation Silent Surrender”.
Bear in mind, 1977 is pre-Reagan era, so our best technical estimates had us not only behind the Soviets in conventional weapons and manpower, but it was thought that we were also vastly outnumbered in terms of nukes as well.
While at the Pentagon the whole place suddenly went on red alert. The Soviets had taken out one of our surveillance satellites using a nuclear device. It was unknown whether this was the prelude to a more massive strike or not.
The alert was preparation for implementing “Operation Silent Surrender”. Before the Reagan build up of arms our logistical gurus estimated that we did not have sufficient deterrent capabilities for MAD to maintain credibility. Some testing of delivery systems done in the early 70s suggested the stockpile we had would suffer from an estimated 50% failure rate to launch and/or detonate as intended, so the success of even a preemptive strike was highly questionable.
“Operation Silent Surrender” consisted of a complete capitulation on our part to the Soviets if it was determined they were about to launch a full scale nuclear strike. The US public was not to be told anything. The government structure would remain in place, but would be controlled invisibly by the Soviets. That was the gist of the protocol.
Nuking that satellite in orbit strongly implied such a strike might be imminent. According to what he was told, this protocol had been put in place on our side and it was suggested there was something similar on the Soviet side, though I don’t know if that was a confirmed arrangement or just speculation on the part of the DOD.
So my friend said they waited, fully expecting a Silent Surrender demand. The demand never came apparently or else it did and has been so transparent that you and I don’t even know about it…NOT!
I know this sounds wild, but this friend is a guy I would and have trusted my life to. He’s about as imaginative as a Missouri mule, so beyond trusting his integrity I doubt he would have had the creativity to come up with some of the other details he gave me. I suppose you could always look at it as a grandiose disinformation experiment, but I doubt it very much.
What has always intrigued me about the whole incident is that I’ve cautiously probed around a bit with a couple of political people I dealt with and it is clear none of them had even the slightest idea what I was hinting at. Presuming my friend can be taken at his word and that he was not the subject of a vast disinformation scam, it begs the question as to who, exactly, put this protocol into place? And if the mainstream political figures were completely out of the loop on it, how was implementation to take place and still remain “invisible” to the public?
Again, it hints at a controlling factor that is not apparent to the naked eye, much as the control of information about topics like UFOs appears to be at least partially outside of the established government. Makes you wonder if the same group(s) are pulling the strings.
March 21st, 2007 at 5:05 am
Extremely interesting, Raven, and like nothing I’ve ever heard before. That is one scary-as-hell scenario. I don’t know what to make of it, really, as the mentality I encountered at DIA in 1971 when I worked that over-the-horizon detection project there was one of “Scorpions In the Bottle”+MAD being
“absolutely” how things were and that neither ourselves nor “they” were stupid enough to do anything but “play through” the Cold War with our little proxy brushfire conflicts. I don’t recall a sense of their being “ahead” of us at all in any significant way at that time…certainly “my” group didn’t think so. The “they’re ahead of us” stuff dated to 1960 and the Presidential election that year. Jack Kennedy and the Democrats “sounded forth the trumpet” that under Eisenhower’s “laxity” (yeah, right) the Russkies had made enormous strides in nukes and out-missiled us considerably. This was the big “hum-job” crock…the “missile gap”… that was used against Nixon (who totally denied it) as a campaign weapon. AFTER the election, of course, once Kennedy & company got esconced in power, it was , if you recall, “discovered” that there WAS no “missile gap” after all. My my. How fortuitous.
At any rate, moving on from there, there did not seem to be any point (that I can recall) whereby we were shaking in our shoes over “Atomigeddon”.
The only perception I ever got was that
you start wars because you are looking to gain something; territory, hedgemony, whatever. If all you stand to gain is annihilation instead, launching a war would be utter madness (the very crux of the MAD protocol). Both sides understood that fully, as they did the bottle analogy with the scorpions. there’d be no winner, so what would be the point? That’s why we all pretty much shook our heads in amusement when all these earnest, frantic scientist-types would rush around wringing their hands in nervous agitation and pointing adamantly at their “doomsday clock” and shrieking that “doom was almost upon us”, and we and the Russkies would look at each other and say “No it isn’t..you people need to get real”. Bottom line was, there was always an UNDERSTANDING about such things between “us” and “them”…about how far things could go or would go. Not so today with the Islamo-Fascist crazies. THESE people are just NUTS…and the Russians weren’t.
For this reason, even if a satellite got shot down (IF one did), I cannot for the life of me imagine how such a thing would bring on another such thing as this “Silent Surrender” you’re talking about (which, presumably, already had to EXIST as an exigency protocol). The whole concept seems too bizarre, and the idea that such a thing could be kept secret from key players in government who would just sit there and TAKE it seems off the planet.
These guys always come up with theoretical “what if?” scenarios that go around and get planned for to one degree or another. I would think…HOPE…that this was something like that and your friend merely misapprehended its meaning and significance.
I would hope.
Bill
March 21st, 2007 at 6:02 am
Thinking more on this (”Silent Surrender” , and applying “spookanalysis” to it (LOL!), it strikes me as something that might have circulated as sarcasm in the Pentagon in those days. The time you ascribe to it falls within the parameters of the administration of Jimmy “Peanutbrain” Carter and even butts up on the time of Carter’s “Halloween Massacre” at the CIA wherein he stupidly jettisoned almost all HUMINT assets in favor of techno-toys…and had us in a BAD situation until Reagan came into office and worked to rebuild the capability that Carter half destroyed. Reagan may not have been any towering intellect, but he had a hell of a lot more National Defense common sense than Carter ever did. The Pentagon was also annoyed that many acts against the U.S. that most government officials…and the citizenry in general…thought merited a tough response would get, from Carter, a “Letter of Stern Protest”, which most people considered a wussy joke. I wouldn’t be half surprised if “Silent Surrender” wasn’t some Pentagon wags joke implying that Carter would , in fact, work out such a deal with Moscow to avoid “unpleasantness”. Indeed, it was the third world perception of Carter as a “cave-in” President that led to the Iranian Hostage Crisis and the end of his presidency. On reflection, to me it seems entirely possible that “Operation Silent Surrender” might well have been a sarcastic slam on Carter circulating in the Pentagon.
Realistically, there is always uncertainty in international military matters. You can analyse intel data till the cows come home but never be absolutely, entirely CERTAIN about something. We might think we didn’t have the “juice” to kick Russia’s butt, but russia wouldn’t necessarily know that. A lot of this stuff is like playing poker…or the “Corbomite Maneuver” on the old “Star Trek”. Its all about bluffing. The Russians might THINK they MIGHT be able to take us…but they don’t know for sure. And with the stakes so high, could you afford to take the risk? I don’t think so. Too much to lose. They also believed their own Hegelian “manifest destiny” (of the eventual world socialist Utopia) idea of history being ultimately “on their side”, so why would you stupidly risk utter destruction if you were “fated’ to win out anyway. Doesn’t make sense.
Me? I’d keep playing poker with them, regardless. The game at the time wasn’t
Texas Hold “Em . It was MAD….mutually assured destruction…and that’s how I’d have played the hand (as would most Pentagon types, I would imagine). You shot down our satellite. BAM!. Oops. There went one of yours! Are we done?
Probably. VERY probably!
“Silent Surrender”? I doubt it.
Bill
March 21st, 2007 at 9:14 am
Well, as I said, I trust the source implicitly. He was very clear that this was an actual state of alert that took place with virtually everyone holding their breath. If the information had come from any other person I’d have laughed myself silly, but not from this guy.
Oh, well, guess this is one of those things that can never be proven one way or the other.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:50 am
Raven…
I’d say you are right in that final analysis. I think likely that is indeed one of those “What was THAT about?” things that will always be a mystery, unless some whistleblower dredges up some data on it at some future point. (Yo, Nick, you got any contacts that might shed any light on this?). It would seem we are dealing with something that actually went down and was experienced first-hand by a very credible source , yet is so bizarre in concept (politically, militarily, and psychologically unfeasible)that it sounds as though it dropped in from the “Outer Limits” or “The Twilight Zone”. My retro-analysis (admittedly off the top of my head, without a lot of hard data to go on) would suggest one thing, but the source said it was a real alert and people seemed to be really prepping for this incomprehensible capitulation. I just don’t have a clue where to go with it from this point, other than to say “This is freaking STRANGE”!
March 21st, 2007 at 12:23 pm
Bill
Nope, no contacts on this at all. Although it sounds highly intriguing, to say the least!!
March 21st, 2007 at 1:02 pm
Ostensibly, and this may have been just my friend’s opinion, that episode was a primary factor when Reagan took office in his from-the-git-go insistence on our own buildup of nuclear arms. The idea was to restore MAD to equilibrium (if there is such a thing with that concept!)
March 21st, 2007 at 3:41 pm
In a sense it wouldn’t take much to restore nuclear armaments to a MAD equilibrium, since the number of extant
weapons was always calculated to be enough to wipe out all life on earth many times over…yet you can only be destroyed once. Anything over that is meaningless superfluity. Reagan went for a partial restoration but started moreso on the Strategic Defense Initiative (aka “Star Wars”) which, of course, was ridiculed by the peace-above-all (”better Red than dead”)crowd and which earned him the name “Ronald Ray-gun”. Interesting thing about that was that the poor old “put-upon” Russians started SDI type stuff before Reagan did with a particle beam weapon project called “Red Star”, and most everything done under SDI was in RESPONSE to things they were doing…NOT, as the lefties would boo hoo incessantly, aggressive persecution methodologies. They were the ones, also, that began psychotronic projects like remote viewing and others, which we only developed as countermeasures (Grill Flame & Stargate and such). But in the end SDI drained the Soviets out and the USSR “bankrupted” itself and went belly-up trying to continue the arms race. So much for “Ron Ray-Gun’s”
intellectual ineptitude.
But, yes, all such DID come in response to Carter’s truly mindless defense policies. Your friend scores a three-pointer on that observation. Jimmy Carter does some marvelous work in humanitarian causes, in particular Habitat For Humanity , and was an O.K. governor for Georgia, but as a player in the big-time world of international politics he was hopelessly out of his league ( I say this DESPITE “Miz Lillian’s” ranking of her beloved son ABOVE George Washington on a list of “America’s Greatest Presidents”. ROTFL!!!!)
March 21st, 2007 at 6:11 pm
Admittedly, foreign policy was not Carter’s forte’. But, as you say, he’s been a decent guy in his post presidency years.
You know I’ve always wondered what was said to him that made him back off his “Release all UFO information to the public!” stance. It’s hard for me to believe one denial by GB version 1.0 all by itself was enough to forever squelch his campaign intimations that he would release everything if elected.
I think Ford made some similar statements and so did Clinton. I’m not sure about Nixon. He was probably FROM a UFO!
March 22nd, 2007 at 8:05 am
Maybe that “somebody else” my artist friend Larry Byrd talks about put the squelch on ALL of them! They sure do seem to get shut down pronto once they get into office on that “release the UFO data” business, don’t they?
Oh yeah, one last thing in this “thread that goes on forever”, the expectations of the Russkies as to the “Silent Surrender” thing…plus my “Corbomite Maneuver”/Poker analogy…would seem to be very “iffy” on account of how many of us have believed over time that a lot of the “captured alien technology” info might have been whipped up DIS-info to scare the bejeebies out of them. Trepidation is prudence if the “other guys” have weapons…and. maybe, allies from space…which make your ICBM nukes pale to bean shooters in comparison. It kinda boils it all down to this in the analytical Soviet mind:
“Uh uh. I know what you’re
thinking: did he fire six
shots or only five. Now
considering this is a Smith
& Wesson .44 Magnum, the
most powerful handgun in the
world…and will blow your
head clean off…you have to
ask yourself ‘Do I feel lucky?’
Well…DO you, punk?”
March 22nd, 2007 at 8:32 am
You DOG! Now you’ve put me in mind to watch a Dirty Harry movie tonight. The Mrs. is visiting her family in Colombia for a couple of weeks to I’m indulging in la vida loca, or rather, in my case, la vida mundana. A Dirty Harry movie might just be life on the edge!
March 22nd, 2007 at 9:31 am
Glad to be of service!! LOL !!!!