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		<title>By: Kenn Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenn Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 03:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew,

That doesn't make any sense at all. Reich fled the Nazis in 1934 and came to the US five years later. No way he would have had anything to do with the Paperclip Nazis. He color coded fascism red and black and tracked it in intense detail, labeling CIA types as "Higs", hoods in government. If you know anything about Reich's life, you know he was never "used" by anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew,</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t make any sense at all. Reich fled the Nazis in 1934 and came to the US five years later. No way he would have had anything to do with the Paperclip Nazis. He color coded fascism red and black and tracked it in intense detail, labeling CIA types as &#8220;Higs&#8221;, hoods in government. If you know anything about Reich&#8217;s life, you know he was never &#8220;used&#8221; by anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/mj12-wood-vs-heiser/#comment-2678</link>
		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenn -- what's your take on Professor Laurence Rickels' recent 3 volume Nazi psychology work.  Basically the Nazis used Freudian psychology to ensure that Germans did not question the war, even though Freud was, ironically a Jew.  Rickel's final volume focuses on the techno-fetish of Nazi psychology whereby airforce pilots would become cyborgs.

Considering that 1200 Nazi scientists moved to the U.S. focusing on mind control and aerospace and the CIA was formed out of the Nazis it seems logical to consider that Reich was similarly used by the CIA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenn &#8212; what&#8217;s your take on Professor Laurence Rickels&#8217; recent 3 volume Nazi psychology work.  Basically the Nazis used Freudian psychology to ensure that Germans did not question the war, even though Freud was, ironically a Jew.  Rickel&#8217;s final volume focuses on the techno-fetish of Nazi psychology whereby airforce pilots would become cyborgs.</p>
<p>Considering that 1200 Nazi scientists moved to the U.S. focusing on mind control and aerospace and the CIA was formed out of the Nazis it seems logical to consider that Reich was similarly used by the CIA.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenn Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/mj12-wood-vs-heiser/#comment-2673</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenn Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's a bog-sized summary of the Cutler-Twining business:

The National Archives in Washington, DC, holds the Cutler-Twining memo, an onion-skinned carbon of a memo
calling for the postponement of a Special Studies Section of the
group MJ-12. Skeptics claim that the
document—dated July 14, 1954, five months after Eisenhower’s supposed meeting with the aliens—is fake and was smuggled into the archives. 

Whether unwilling or unable to verify the authenticity of this document (by paper-lot and typewriter style dating), the National Archives has nevertheless retained it for a half-century. The author of the memo, Robert Cutler, served in the CIA under Eisenhower in its Division of Psychological Operations. Cutler wrote Eisenhower’s famous “Atoms for Peace” speech, which took as its title a phrase used by Wilhelm Reich to describe his orgone work. 

The recipient of the memo, Nathan Twining, is well-known to students of UFOlogy as the general to whom Air Force investigators reported UFO sightings and retrievals. One such retrieval, involving flying saucers in the Maury Island area in the Pacific northwest, also involved the kind of black substance that Reich had described at his lab in Maine.

The second curious document in the research was recovered only recently by author Jim Martin, as part of his comprehensive look at Wilhelm Reich’s life in the 1950s, entitled Wilhelm Reich and the Cold War. Martin discovered what has become known as the Moise-Douglas memo in the archives of Lew Douglas, a member of Eisenhower’s “kitchen cabinet” who was assigned to a
presidential committee on weather control. In his book Contact With Space, Reich claimed that he had corresponded with Douglas; Martin asserted that this discovered memo was the proof. 

The memo was sent by Douglas and describes several recent failed attempts by Reich’s assistant, William Moise, to make contact. Although the memo itself is not dated, a handwritten note at the bottom indicates a change of heart by Douglas, who ultimately did telegraph Moise on July 27, 1954.

This timeline is perhaps the best indication in the records that MJ-12 existed and, by inference, that Eisenhower met with aliens. Douglas’s about-face with regard to Reich, coming at any point in July 1954, indicates that he had been briefed at the MJ-12 meeting described in the Cutler-Twining memo. The object of the Special Studies Project was Reich’s counterattack on UFOs, and Douglas was directed to take a greater interest in it. In the end, Douglas wound up bankrolling, in part, some of Reich’s environmental work in Tucson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a bog-sized summary of the Cutler-Twining business:</p>
<p>The National Archives in Washington, DC, holds the Cutler-Twining memo, an onion-skinned carbon of a memo<br />
calling for the postponement of a Special Studies Section of the<br />
group MJ-12. Skeptics claim that the<br />
document—dated July 14, 1954, five months after Eisenhower’s supposed meeting with the aliens—is fake and was smuggled into the archives. </p>
<p>Whether unwilling or unable to verify the authenticity of this document (by paper-lot and typewriter style dating), the National Archives has nevertheless retained it for a half-century. The author of the memo, Robert Cutler, served in the CIA under Eisenhower in its Division of Psychological Operations. Cutler wrote Eisenhower’s famous “Atoms for Peace” speech, which took as its title a phrase used by Wilhelm Reich to describe his orgone work. </p>
<p>The recipient of the memo, Nathan Twining, is well-known to students of UFOlogy as the general to whom Air Force investigators reported UFO sightings and retrievals. One such retrieval, involving flying saucers in the Maury Island area in the Pacific northwest, also involved the kind of black substance that Reich had described at his lab in Maine.</p>
<p>The second curious document in the research was recovered only recently by author Jim Martin, as part of his comprehensive look at Wilhelm Reich’s life in the 1950s, entitled Wilhelm Reich and the Cold War. Martin discovered what has become known as the Moise-Douglas memo in the archives of Lew Douglas, a member of Eisenhower’s “kitchen cabinet” who was assigned to a<br />
presidential committee on weather control. In his book Contact With Space, Reich claimed that he had corresponded with Douglas; Martin asserted that this discovered memo was the proof. </p>
<p>The memo was sent by Douglas and describes several recent failed attempts by Reich’s assistant, William Moise, to make contact. Although the memo itself is not dated, a handwritten note at the bottom indicates a change of heart by Douglas, who ultimately did telegraph Moise on July 27, 1954.</p>
<p>This timeline is perhaps the best indication in the records that MJ-12 existed and, by inference, that Eisenhower met with aliens. Douglas’s about-face with regard to Reich, coming at any point in July 1954, indicates that he had been briefed at the MJ-12 meeting described in the Cutler-Twining memo. The object of the Special Studies Project was Reich’s counterattack on UFOs, and Douglas was directed to take a greater interest in it. In the end, Douglas wound up bankrolling, in part, some of Reich’s environmental work in Tucson.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenn Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenn Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My old saw, and yet I must...

Here's what I wrote to Ryan Wood about this:

Ryan,

I read about this at Nick Redfern’s blog, and dismissed it right away at the claim that Heiser was one of the “top 100” UFO researchers. That’s really a silly claim for a serious researcher.

Still, I wondered if the one provable document was the Cutler-Twining memo. I have long championed this one as the proof of MJ-12, not based on debatable forensics, but on triangulation of research. It’s something that should be more widely known in the UFO community.

I have twenty years as a university archivist and document historian as my appeal to authority. It’s better than the Bible guy’s Hot 100, but it’s also unnecessary to the argument. The existence of MJ12 is just about as certain as anything in the historic record.

 

kt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My old saw, and yet I must&#8230;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I wrote to Ryan Wood about this:</p>
<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>I read about this at Nick Redfern’s blog, and dismissed it right away at the claim that Heiser was one of the “top 100” UFO researchers. That’s really a silly claim for a serious researcher.</p>
<p>Still, I wondered if the one provable document was the Cutler-Twining memo. I have long championed this one as the proof of MJ-12, not based on debatable forensics, but on triangulation of research. It’s something that should be more widely known in the UFO community.</p>
<p>I have twenty years as a university archivist and document historian as my appeal to authority. It’s better than the Bible guy’s Hot 100, but it’s also unnecessary to the argument. The existence of MJ12 is just about as certain as anything in the historic record.</p>
<p>kt</p>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/mj12-wood-vs-heiser/#comment-2670</link>
		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bible Professor! Hey so my reading today of Bishop Lightfoot's attack on W.R. Cassel's book "Supernatural Religion" was apropos.  Seriously this debate strongly parallels the origins of the Canon Gospels in the midst of "spurious" writings.  Just who were these Ancient Ones anyway? haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bible Professor! Hey so my reading today of Bishop Lightfoot&#8217;s attack on W.R. Cassel&#8217;s book &#8220;Supernatural Religion&#8221; was apropos.  Seriously this debate strongly parallels the origins of the Canon Gospels in the midst of &#8220;spurious&#8221; writings.  Just who were these Ancient Ones anyway? haha</p>
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		<title>By: uth</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/mj12-wood-vs-heiser/#comment-2668</link>
		<dc:creator>uth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wood makes some good arguments there.

I too saw yesterdays announcement as nothing more than a PR stunt.  It's sad that so many people just accept it without asking to actually see the data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wood makes some good arguments there.</p>
<p>I too saw yesterdays announcement as nothing more than a PR stunt.  It&#8217;s sad that so many people just accept it without asking to actually see the data.</p>
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