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		<title>by: Nick Redfern</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/human-ufos/#comment-2545</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Craig

I think a police state could easily become a reality. But I suspect that it will arrive purely due to the gradual introduction of more and more surveillance and the eroding of civil liberties, until the point where the future we dread has arrived, under our very noses.

In Europe (and particularly in the UK), street cameras at practically every corner in the towns and cities are a way of life.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not against being protected in such a fashion, or that such devices could be used to track criminals etc.

My concern (and I believe it to be a valid one) is this issue of governments using fear tactics to pass new surveillance bills and laws, and using the terror threat as justification for this and for that, when there is not always a connection at all.

Do we need protection from outside threats? Yes. Do our streets need to be safe? Yes. But does the entire population need to be watched and surveyed at every given moment? No. But we will be unless we stand up as a united front.

I know too that in the UK much of the new planned surveillance drone project is not aimed at criminals; rather it's aimed at people taking part in "organized protests" and what some perceive as "anti-social activity."

This "anti-social activity" includes taking part in legitimate protest targeted at Government policies.

Frankly, I should be able to voice my concerns in a public forum about a government policy I disagree with, and all without a remotely piloted UFO hovering over me using facial recognition technology (which I know the UK Police are now testing) to see who I am.

You are correct, however, that people like Redhead (who does hold a high position) are recognizing this problem, and if we all do likewise, things may pull through.

I guess we will see...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig</p>
<p>I think a police state could easily become a reality. But I suspect that it will arrive purely due to the gradual introduction of more and more surveillance and the eroding of civil liberties, until the point where the future we dread has arrived, under our very noses.</p>
<p>In Europe (and particularly in the UK), street cameras at practically every corner in the towns and cities are a way of life.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong: I&#8217;m not against being protected in such a fashion, or that such devices could be used to track criminals etc.</p>
<p>My concern (and I believe it to be a valid one) is this issue of governments using fear tactics to pass new surveillance bills and laws, and using the terror threat as justification for this and for that, when there is not always a connection at all.</p>
<p>Do we need protection from outside threats? Yes. Do our streets need to be safe? Yes. But does the entire population need to be watched and surveyed at every given moment? No. But we will be unless we stand up as a united front.</p>
<p>I know too that in the UK much of the new planned surveillance drone project is not aimed at criminals; rather it&#8217;s aimed at people taking part in &#8220;organized protests&#8221; and what some perceive as &#8220;anti-social activity.&#8221;</p>
<p>This &#8220;anti-social activity&#8221; includes taking part in legitimate protest targeted at Government policies.</p>
<p>Frankly, I should be able to voice my concerns in a public forum about a government policy I disagree with, and all without a remotely piloted UFO hovering over me using facial recognition technology (which I know the UK Police are now testing) to see who I am.</p>
<p>You are correct, however, that people like Redhead (who does hold a high position) are recognizing this problem, and if we all do likewise, things may pull through.</p>
<p>I guess we will see&#8230;!
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		<title>by: craig york</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/human-ufos/#comment-2543</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The New York bit is news to me, Thanks.
I find the traffic blocks to be more disturbing than the cameras, but only just...Readhead's comments in the second
 cite do give one some cause for hope, though,no? I mean, if someone that high
up is saying 'Just a minute...' then at least it won't simply slide into place.
Maybe. I do understand your anger at the
greater Western ( Is this sort of thing
happening in Europe? ) apathy, even enthusiasm for increased surveilance, and the 'worry ' comment was rather glib
on my part-my apologies. But I wonder sometimes if
we aren't headed for something like
Tokugawa Japan-an insular and effective
police state that endured for two
hundred and fifty years, until it was finally opened...from without...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New York bit is news to me, Thanks.<br />
I find the traffic blocks to be more disturbing than the cameras, but only just&#8230;Readhead&#8217;s comments in the second<br />
 cite do give one some cause for hope, though,no? I mean, if someone that high<br />
up is saying &#8216;Just a minute&#8230;&#8217; then at least it won&#8217;t simply slide into place.<br />
Maybe. I do understand your anger at the<br />
greater Western ( Is this sort of thing<br />
happening in Europe? ) apathy, even enthusiasm for increased surveilance, and the &#8216;worry &#8216; comment was rather glib<br />
on my part-my apologies. But I wonder sometimes if<br />
we aren&#8217;t headed for something like<br />
Tokugawa Japan-an insular and effective<br />
police state that endured for two<br />
hundred and fifty years, until it was finally opened&#8230;from without&#8230;
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		<title>by: Nick Redfern</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/human-ufos/#comment-2541</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Craig:

I wouldn't say this worries me as such in terms of me personally worrying or panicking.

Rather, the public apathy and complacency to such things makes me very, very angry. Worry isn't so much the issue.

As for not appearing on every street corner, I would beg to differ. Indeed, &lt;a title="I would refer you to this" href="http://news.com.com/New+York+plans+surveillance+veil+for+downtown/2100-1029_3-6195517.html?tag=nefd.top" rel="nofollow"&gt;I would refer you to this&lt;/a&gt;:

And this (note the comments from Ian Redhead - who is a very senior UK police source, and so who knows what he is talking about - who, eerily enough, also makes an "every street corner" comment, but from a very different perspective to yours):

http://www.express.co.uk/news/view/7613</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig:</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say this worries me as such in terms of me personally worrying or panicking.</p>
<p>Rather, the public apathy and complacency to such things makes me very, very angry. Worry isn&#8217;t so much the issue.</p>
<p>As for not appearing on every street corner, I would beg to differ. Indeed, <a title="I would refer you to this" href="http://news.com.com/New+York+plans+surveillance+veil+for+downtown/2100-1029_3-6195517.html?tag=nefd.top" rel="nofollow">I would refer you to this</a>:</p>
<p>And this (note the comments from Ian Redhead - who is a very senior UK police source, and so who knows what he is talking about - who, eerily enough, also makes an &#8220;every street corner&#8221; comment, but from a very different perspective to yours):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.express.co.uk/news/view/7613" rel="nofollow">http://www.express.co.uk/news/view/7613</a>
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		<title>by: craig york</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/human-ufos/#comment-2539</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think you worry too much-the one figure that I notice is absent from the report on the 'Micro' is endurance-on
a platform that size, I doubt it can
hover more than 15-20 minutes. Useful
in tactical military situations, but
not something thats going to be hovering
over every street corner...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you worry too much-the one figure that I notice is absent from the report on the &#8216;Micro&#8217; is endurance-on<br />
a platform that size, I doubt it can<br />
hover more than 15-20 minutes. Useful<br />
in tactical military situations, but<br />
not something thats going to be hovering<br />
over every street corner&#8230;
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		<title>by: uth</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/human-ufos/#comment-2535</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Not just ufos,  with recent advancements in cloaking &#38; invisibility technology,  many of the paranormal fields could be difficult to distinguish from human technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not just ufos,  with recent advancements in cloaking &amp; invisibility technology,  many of the paranormal fields could be difficult to distinguish from human technology.
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		<title>by: Smylex</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/human-ufos/#comment-2532</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nick, I agree 100%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, I agree 100%
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