Crop Circles - Makers or Fakers?
This past weekend I was lecturing along with ghost-hunter Josh Warren and 9-11-conspiracy author Jim Marrs at a gig in Kansas City. We’re hoping to expand this initial gig into a full-blown U.S. tour next year, and I’ll keep you posted on that.
However, there’s something else that I want to discuss with you. While I was at the Dark 30 conference, one of the audience came up to me and said that he had heard that reports of Crop Circles had declined in England this year. I nodded, and said that, yeah, he was absolutely right.
He then asked me: “Then why are the aliens not making them as much? Are they going home?â€
“Well,†I replied, “I don’t think ‘the aliens’ have ever made the Crop Circles. I think it’s ‘the people’ that are responsible.â€
The guy’s jaw dropped ever so slightly and he said: “You think Crop Circles are made by hoaxers?â€
And then it hit me: that seemingly-all-dominating attitude to the “human angle” of the Crop Circle puzzle. For many students of the Crop Circle enigma, those people who openly (or privately) admit to having created Crop Circles and the far more complex Pictogram-style formations are viewed as trouble-makers, fun-spoilers, or – worse still – “government agents†wildly dispensing disinformation on behalf of the dreaded “them.†Give me a break.
In reality, the truth is much different – and in some ways far stranger than if aliens really were involved. Knowing certain Crop Circle makers (note that: makers not fakers) personally, I am fully aware that those that engage in the construction of the formations are not in the employ of MI5, the NSA or indeed any of the other alphabet soup of intelligence agencies that are encroaching upon our civil liberties at an ever-increasing level. Nor are they interested in spoiling people’s fun.
Rather, many of those responsible for the formations view what they do as a form of artwork to be experienced and interpreted by the viewer – and in the case of the Circles, this means the people that visit them. Whereas some people use paints, oils and canvas to produce their artwork, these guys utilize crops.
But there is one weird angle to all of this that must be addressed: namely that many Circle makers – whether they like to admit to it or not – have had strange experiences within the formations that they themselves have created.
This has included witnessing those strange, small balls of glowing light that seem to have a particular fascination with the Circles. It has also included experiencing missing-time, weird synchronicities, and shadowy figures that seem to flit in and out of our reality. Now, some would doubtless shout at this point: “Well, that’s evidence that the aliens really are at work.â€
Maybe; but I’m not so sure.
Is it possible that in a world full of despair, the collective unconscious has created – Tulpa- or Tulku-style – a form of quasi-independent intelligence that manipulates the Crop Circle makers on its behalf to give us something that appears to offer hope – namely what seems to be a concern for what we are doing to our planet?
Are the Circle makers not actually coming up with the complex designs independently – as many, but not all, interestingly enough, believe – but are being subtly and subconsciously influenced to create specific formations for specific reasons by Tulpa or Tulku-like entities that originated within our minds in the first place?
Certainly, such a possibility has been addressed by certain elements of the Crop Circle making community. And what of the reports of healings and positive (or indeed negative) health effects that people claim to have experienced in the Circles? Well, again we don’t need to turn to aliens for the answer. Perhaps we should be looking at the still-poorly-understood power and influence that the human mind might have over the physical body.
Now, we don’t necessarily have to invoke the world of the Tulpa to explain all of this, some might say. And maybe that’s true, too. Perhaps extraterrestrials really are unconsciously manipulating the Circle makers and ensuring that they do their work for them. But, it still comes down to one fact: People make the Circles. Anything else is pure conjecture and theory, and all bets are off whether people like to admit it or not.
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My wife, Dana, took this picture in North Staffordshire, England this summer. I have no idea who made it, but I’m betting it wasn’t a little bald guy with big black eyes.
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December 14th, 2006 at 5:19 am
I find it deeply disturbing that a serious researcher would rather consider some machinations of a collective unconsciousness to be a more realistic concept than that of a technologically advanced society, telluric or E.T., being the genesis of the authentic crop circles. UFO “mystic”, indeed. The world needs no more mysticism; the world is sick with it, as it is sick with God-talk.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:35 pm
I can understand why someone might disagree with me. But to say that my views are “disturbing” to you is very weird.
It’s hardly like I’m advocating mass-murder or something - which would be disturbing!
All we’re doing is debating the origins of flattened corn! Nothing to get disturbed about.
You are entitled to agree with me or disagree with me (and either is fine with me; I don’t care either way).
But that someone should actually become “disturbed” by a person’s views on something like crop circles is incredibly strange.
You may not accept the Tulpa angle (which is fine again). But you might be surprised how many would disagree with you.
I have no doubt that Tulpas exist. I’ve been involved in a number of experiments to conjure up such entities, and with what I consider to be a degree of success.
I don’t recommend people do it, however, as it can result in psychic backlash and general weirdness of a very strange nature.
You say that the world is sick with such things. Really?!
How do you know? Have you asked the entire world? Or should I just consider that to you be your opinion, and not the world’s opinion, after all?
December 14th, 2006 at 4:23 pm
I don’t think “disturbed” is quite the right word. At least with respect to the “ET done it” theory, there is a statistical case to be made for the possibility of there being other intelligent, physical beings in our universe. Granted, a statistical possibility doesn’t mean they exist, but at least the possibility is realistic. I have no problem with the idea that humans are involved in some, perhaps most (maybe even all) crop circles. But that the underlying motivations should be attributed to Tulpa/Tulku… I’ve never seen a Drake equation or its equivalent, nor anything even remotely resembling proof such quasi-beings exist. Given the choice between Tulpa-motivated humans vs. ET, Occam’s Razor would have to come down on the side of ET.
December 15th, 2006 at 6:32 am
Well, here’s the main problem I have with applying an ET angle to Crop Circles:
Many Circle researchers undertake intensive research into the phenomenon, but they make the fatal mistake of dismissing and ignoring the human Circle makers, instead of spending time with them and actually investigating how and why these people make Circles.
A classic case in point is a good friend of mine in the UK named Matthew Williams.
Matt developed an interest in Circles in the early 90s, and decided to try and resolve the puzzle.
The more he hung out in Wiltshire (where most of the circles appear in the UK), the more he came to realize that there were teams of people coordinating the making of these things on a regular basis.
At the same time, researchers were saying that there was no way people could be responsible.
So Matt decided to learn the making techniques for himself to see if it was possble for people to make them. And, sure enough, he eventually got it down to a fine art.
He was eventually arrested and became the first (and to date, only) person arrested, charged and convicted for making a crop circle.
The actual charge related to causing damage to a field.
But the outcome of all this was that it gave Matt a huge amount of publicity and he was commissioned to make such patterns for TV companies.
A classic case is a series of formations he made in New Zealand a couple of years ago for Japanese TV,
Those are very intricate, detailed pictograms which easily equal in design many other designs that researchers state are alien in origin.
But here’s the point: we can prove that people make some of the very intriicate designs, so of those we are not sure of, why do we have to assign them to aliens?
It’s more reasonable to assume that if people make _some_ of the intricate patterns, that they actually make _all_ of them too.
If you or anyone get signed permission from a farmer to allow a formation to be made in his or her field, Matt will make one, under cover of darkness, on his own, and of an extremely intricate, huge design.
But again, he’s no faker. It’s far more subtle than that and linked in with the circle maker being guided to do this - by something.
December 15th, 2006 at 8:45 am
As noted, I don’t dispute that some, most or even all of the circles might be of human origin. Personally, I’ve never been convinced that ET has anything to do with it. Given the total number of known crop circles, the ones that have ever had any UFO activity observed either during, just prior to, or immediately after their construction are relatively few.
So I remain somewhat skeptical that crop circles and UFOs have any firm connection established. That being said, there are a few good crop circle cases which have UFO activity associated with them. Not many; at least not many credible ones, but a few. And, as also noted previously, there is at least a statistical model to support the potential existence of ET in our universe. There is no such statistical data even to suggest Tulpa/Tulku existence (unless you are aware of some of which I am not.)
So, Tulpa/Tulku vs. ET… ET wins. The question of Purely Human vs. ET is another matter. Humans clearly have the edge in that debate. Your Tulpa/Tulku idea aims more towards the motivations of the humans. I’m unconvinced humans need any motivation beyond the fact that they, 1. Like to raise a little hell occasionally, 2. Enjoy having “secret insider info” that ordinary mortals don’t, and, 3. As you stated, take pleasure in what they might consider an act of artistic creation (this last one pertaining more to the intricate ones as opposed to the plain old circle-style.)
In fairness, I have to add that there are some aspects of crop circles that have not been explained with respect to human makers, at least to my satisfaction. Going back to the early days of crop circles, when “the rest of the world” hadn’t really heard of the phenomenon yet, circles cropped up (no pun intended,) in places separated by wide geographic distance, even in different countries. The odds that all these people spread over such widely separated areas all got the same ideas and adopted the same or similarly baffling techniques at the same time suggests either communication and coordination of effort, which hardly seems likely; a wild stroke of coincidence (again, hardly likely,) or it requires an explanation other than human makers.
Just what that third possibility might be is the mystery. ET is a possibility. I suppose Tulpas might also qualify, but I’d need a lot more than mythological speculations that such quasi-beings exist to put that one on my “maybe” list.
December 15th, 2006 at 8:59 am
I understand your points; but one of the things that interests me about the human circle makers is not so much the artistry angle.
But the fact that many have had very weird paranormal-like experiences when they have been making these things.
Matt Williams for example, experienced missing time, glowing balls of light, etc.
Circle makers have designed formations on their computers, only to have another potential maker come up with a similar formation.
To me, this is all evidence of the human mind operating in a manipulated, hive format.
You’re quite correct about circles being found years ago.
Very few people know this (or appreciate the significance of it); but you can go to the National Archive just outside London and read about how, during the Second World War, Britain’s Intelligence agency, MI5, heard of strange, circular formations of flattened corn found in fields across Europe.
MI5 wondered if they could have been coded messages for Nazi pilots flying overhead.
These files were classified for years and now available for public viewing.
There’s a chapter on this in my “Strange Secrets” book, and coincidentally (dare I say synchronistically?!) there is an article from me tomorrow in the British “Daily Express” newspaper that includes these exact MI5 Crop Circle files.
But the important thing is that sixty years ago MI5 thought that the Circles were made by people, not by anything strange.
December 15th, 2006 at 9:44 am
I would have no leg to stand on were I to dispute that some circle makers have experienced anomalous events at the sites of their own circles. I wasn’t there to either disprove or confirm their perceptions at the time. But might not these events have somewhat more prosaic explanations?
I was raised on a farm. Fields of crops, particularly commercial ones, have soil that has been heavily saturated with chemical fertilizers. Even organic farms utilize manure from various sources. Furthermore, crops are routinely sprayed with a variety of chemicals to enhance growth, color, and to kill insect, fungus, and other infestations. I hate to sound like an echo of J. Allen Hynek, but sometimes gases combine in odd ways. In my youth saw odd lights in our fields at times that might come, drift around and then disappear, and there were never any crop circles associated with them. My father always maintained that these were the equivalent of will-o-the-wisps, caused by the mixing of the chemicals and the gases both they and the crops themselves produced. Maybe, maybe not, but that sounds much more plausible to me than more esoteric explanations.
Missing time is such a subjective experience that its difficult to give it much credence. Often I will stay up late at night working on the computer. I look at the clock and tell myself that, for example, in 30 minutes, at 9pm I’m definitely heading off to bed. I work a little bit more, look at my watch and find it is 11:30pm. Three hours have passed in what felt to me like no more than 30 minutes or so. Is this missing time, or has my focus just become so intense that I zoned out on the perception of linear time? Would someone engaged in trying to quickly create a large, intricate crop circle not be prone to such intense focus that they also lose the natural feel for the flow of linear time? This kind of intense focus and loss of normal time-sense is nothing out of the ordinary. All of us experience it at some time or another, and some of us experience it relatively often. It’s not a compelling fact in favor of esoteric crop circle theories.
As for odd figures that flit in and out of vision, these, too, don’t seem much of a stretch to explain. We have humans who are obviously somewhat imaginative and creative to begin with (hence their intricate circle designs.) Their senses are heightened to high alert, being out at night, in the dark, risking getting caught by the farmer or authorities trespassing and damaging private property. They are probably in the company of friends who are similarly excited and pumped up on adrenalin (and need I suggest that perhaps more than a few of these people have had a couple of “courage beers” before embarking on their work?) Would it surprise anyone to learn that humans under these circumstances, looking around frequently to see if anyone has detected them, might see forms, shapes or other manifestations?
I realize that what I’ve just written doesn’t constitute a definitive explanation of their experiences, but doesn’t it strike you as much more probable than esoteric notions?
Perhaps you’ve read Graham Hancock’s most recent book, “Supernatural”? At its beginning he makes a rather amusing statement that he was constrained to use hallucinogenic substances himself to induce altered states of consciousness. He felt that the subject; one very similar to the notion of Tulpa/Tulkas, needed to be studied directly, and that could only be done through personal experience. He then makes mention that other researchers of the phenomena he was investigating had all stopped short of taking these substances into their own bodies, hence they could not give a truly informed and authoritative opinion on them as he, himself could. When I read this I thought to myself, “Mr. Hancock, don’t you suppose there is good reason other researchers avoided these admittedly dangerous drugs you took?”
What I’m suggesting is that Hancock perceived certain phenomena under the influence of mind-altering substances, but that similar, if not as intense, manifestations might occur naturally in the state of heightened awareness the circle makers no doubt work under.
Is there hard evidence of any of their perceptions? Are there credible films? Are there witnesses not involved in the circle project, and who have had no contact with the circle makers, that can corroborate their perceptions? Is there any credible evidence of any kind that does not rely in subjective perceptions? I know you probably have stories you won’t tell in the interest of confidentiality, but if there were such things I would be interested to learn of them.
December 15th, 2006 at 10:23 am
Yes, I did read the Hancock book; although he’s not saying anything new.
In fact, if you have a look at my bio on this site, you’ll see that I said that I suspect that the answers to the UFO mystery will be found within the work of (among others) Rick Strassman, Terence McKenna, Jack Parsons, and Aleister Crowley, all of who have a bearing on the issues you raise.
I still hold to that.
Have you read Strassman’s book “DMT: The Spirit Molecule”?
This book is essential reading for getting to the truth (as I see it, at least).
It is a study of N-dimethyltryptamine, a powerful psychedelic and the way in which it is linked with altered states, encounters with perceived aliens, the afterlife, etc.
My view is that altered states (however they are achieved) open a portal to other realms where some sort of intelligence exists (rather like going on-line).
My research and conclusions lead me to believe that this intelligence has reasons for wanting to interact with us, and appears to us in forms that are culturally acceptable for the time frame.
Which is why thousands of years ago people saw angels, 500 years ago it was fairies, 50 years ago it was flying saucers and long-haired human-like aliens. Today it’s Flying Triangles and the black-eyed Grays.
So, we conjure them up into a 3-D appearance, Tulpa-style, based on humankind’s current thoughts and beliefs on superior beings.
Then that sustained belief allows them to enter our reality and establish a foothold.
The reason why this allows them to enter our realms specifically then, is because the Tulpa requires human emotion to sustain itself; which is why as more people believe in these things, the more they are seen - they are feeding on us, and thriving.
Then when interest fades, or belief fades, their semi-physical form fades until they are semi-spectral entities that exist in semi-limbo until the belief comes around again and they become revitalzed - which is why sightings of fairies or long haired space brothers rarely occur today: the belief is largely gone.
The belief has gone and the Tulpas have taken on the appearance of Grays because that is what we believe currently that the stereotypical alien looks like.
50 years from now they may look like something else, based on whatever we believe in during future years.
And to answer the question about independent corroboration of the circle makers’ experiences: that’s kind of hard because most prefer to do their work alone or in groups with no outsiders present - purely because of the fact that they are essentially trespassing on land - which is exactly why Matt Williams was arrested, charged and convicted.
So, very few - if any - are keen to have other people tagging along (even if it might provide corroboration for their claims) in case they turn them into the authorities.
One final thing: have you read much of Strieber’s post-Communion work?
In one of his books (I forget which now), he talks about how he had been informed by a military source that, years ago, the Government had concluded that the ability of the “visitors” to exist in our world was directly linked to our willingness to believe that they existed - which is very tulpa-like.
People might think that some of my views are totally over the top (which is fine; I don’t care at all). But I do recommend that people at least research Tulpa issues, and understand what the theories, evidence is, etc.
December 15th, 2006 at 11:39 am
I have not read the “DMT” book or the one you reference of Whitley Strieber. Strieber is one I am a little cautious with. Some of his claims make a great deal of sense. Others smack to me of sensationalism.
I perused his Unknown Country message boards awhile back, paying particular attention to the forum for UFO discussion. His readers and fans refer to him almost as if he were their patron saint. That guru-style adoration, encouraged by what seem to me to be sensationalist claims, hits my irritation button quick, fast and in a hurry. I’ve tended to avoid his work for that reason. I must confess that I recently ordered his book, “The Key”. Haven’t received it yet but it looked intriguing.
Your “Body Snatchers” book is another on my “must get and read” list. So far what I know if it comes from a couple of reviews. You’ll be amused to know that it was Stanton Friedman’s somewhat skeptical review that really drew my attention. You obviously struck a nerve with him, which is understandable when you consider the amount of time and effort he has put into proving his own ideas regarding Roswell.
So based on Stan’s negative review I determined I’ve got to get it. What I’ve gleaned thus far from reviews is impressive. I’ve always favored the ET theory. It’s obvious to anyone with an IQ equal to or above that of a stalk of celery that our US government is in that situation up to their eyeballs and has and probably still continues practicing CYA on it. But alternative theories about balloons and such were never compelling. As I understand your research, it had more to do with a continuation of what were war crimes and crimes against humanity and the protection of those who engaged in them. Now that makes sense to me. I can certainly understand how that would motivate a government to lie and deceive, even decades after the events occurred.
Going back to your Tulpa/Tulka idea, what you describe sounds very similar to some of the statements made by characters depicted in the movie, “The Mothman Prophecies.” I’m guessing you’re familiar with that. I’ve not read the book the movie was based on but I presume the essential conclusions in it mirror the script of the movie.
You’re also entering similar ground to that discussed by Vallee in “Passport to Magonia.” I have to admit there is merit to the idea that the phenomena are shaped somewhat by our own expectations. I’m in the Seattle, Washington area, famous for Kenneth Arnold’s sighting that ended up coining the phrase “flying saucer.” He described craft that were shaped more like mantarays, but chose to describe their motion as being like saucers skiping across water as they flew. The press called them “flying saucers” and all of the sudden the objects people were reporting took on the shape of saucers. So there is a correlation there between the expectation and the eventual manifestation of the phenomena.
December 15th, 2006 at 11:57 am
Yeah, somewhere I believe the UFO issue (and a whole variety of other Fortean phenomena) is indeed formed out of our expectations, etc.
The Arnold thing about the descriptions of what he saw vs. what people interpreted them as (saucers rather than like a mantaray) is a classic example.
No, Stan was definitely not a fan of Body Snatchers! But we agree to differ.
In fact, if you go to Greg Bishop’s blog and click on the review Greg wrote of Paul Kimball’s new frontiers symposium, I think, you can see us having a genial lunch together in October!
But, yeah you’re right - the thrust of the data I was given was continuation of Japanese war crimes that were an outgrowth of Japan’s Unit 731 experimental atrocities, and high-altitude human exposure experiments using huge, Japanese-designed post-WW2 balloon arrays designed by some of the same guys who worked on the Japanese Fugo “balloon bombs.”
Interestingly, Lincoln La Paz of NM University, who was implicated in Roswell, was also a WW2 expert of Fugo balloons for the Govt.
Similarly, Melvin Brown (stationed at Roswell at the time) said that the bodies he saw could have “passed for Chinese.”
On top of that Philip Corso (of Day After Roswell book infamy) was good friends/colleagues with Major Charles Willoughby, head of the Intelligence Department of the Allied Forces Headquarters under MacArthur during the War.
Turns out that it was Willoughby who coordinated the Op to ensure that the Unit 731 data reached American authorities after WW2…
December 15th, 2006 at 12:34 pm
It’s staggering to consider some of the things our [my, I should say in this instance] governments are willing to do. WWII was a real turning point in this country in terms of the common people having any real control over our own government. Eisenhower saw or intuited what was coming down the pike and left us that cryptic warning in his final address before leaving the presidency about allowing the “military industrial complex” to gain too much power and influence. We should have paid more attention. Given the state of the world in general, if your ideas about Tulpa/Tulkus turns out to be on track it’s a wonder that all we see are relatively wimpy looking grey aliens.
There is a spiritual teacher who lives a bit north up in Vancouver, BC, named Eckhart Tolle. He has some interesting ideas regarding what he calls the “Pain Body”, which he describes as a sort of personal doppelgaenger. According to him this double develops as the result of early trauma and painful experiences in life and more or less takes on a life of its own within us. Born out of pain it needs and feeds on pain for survival. It is this Pain Body that causes some people to always screw things up and go wrong when they seem right on the verge of having their lives as they want them. It rises up; causes the people to do and say things that will cause pain in others, essentially starting a painful, confrontational situation, then it sucks off the emotional pain of others as well as it’s own host. Once it feeds it settles back down and waits for the next time. There’s a mythical spin for you.
What is interesting is that in humans, the amygdala portion of the brain, which records memories in an unconscious form of emotions, is fully developed and functional at the time of birth. The cortex, which carries our conscious, rational memories is not fully developed, but gets built up bit by bit over many years. So when you’re younger, you’ve got a part of your brain that’s storing emotional memories in your unconscious mind from the day you’re born, but your conscious mind is unaware of it. The unconscious memory is atemporal, meaning that the things it stores are as fresh and pristine in form as they were at the moment they were imprinted. Later in life these unconscious memories that we don’t even know we’re carrying around surface as feelings and reactions to events. Someone might say or do something and it will call up an emotional memory and provoke a reaction that appears all out of proportion to the situation. It’s drawing on those stored memories of pain we don’t know we have buried inside us, and the consious mind is left completely baffled by the entire episode. This reminds me strongly of Tolle’s Pain Body. If you’ve never read any of his works, The Power of Now is a good one. I suspect you would find his perspectives interesting.
December 15th, 2006 at 12:39 pm
I’ll definitely get a hold of Tolle’s Power of Now. Thanks!
December 15th, 2006 at 2:07 pm
With regard to the Tulka et al, I just happened to stumble across this little article this afternoon.
It regards “shadow people”. The article itself is less amusing than the comments of its readers afterwards. You can almost hear Agent Mulder’s voice in their comments, insisting, “I want to believe.”
December 15th, 2006 at 2:21 pm
LOL
December 15th, 2006 at 3:44 pm
Greetings Mr. Redfern,
It’s clear that very creative humans with an adventurous artistic sensibility have been making beautiful works of art in cereal crop fields for many decades, if not centuries. I have read before about the unusual experiences that many circle makers have had while engaged in their art, as you point out here. I wonder if that is somehow related to the alterations to the soil and plants in such circles, as documented by Wm. C. Levengood of BLT research.
The findings of investigations carried out by BLT research are intriguing to me, and seem to suggest that there is something happening, in at least some crop cirlces, that is not easily explained by what we know for certain about their creation.
While it is possible to make breathtakingly complex and precise patterns in cereal fields with a handful of hearty souls, plus some rope, a measuring tape, and some flat boards, I wouldn’t think that these things could be reponsible for the chemical and structural changes in the plants and soil that Levengood has documented in more than a few cases. Any thoughts on this issue? Thanks for a very entertaining blog, BTW.
December 15th, 2006 at 3:59 pm
Corvus:
I will admit that the issue of structure changes is an intriguing one, and is one not easily explainable by the human theory.
I am, however, aware of certain human makers who have sprinkled iron filings and other products into circles to confuse matters re. taking readings, etc.
Whether that’s a connection or not, or whether that would have any bearing on matters, I have to be honest: I don’t know.
December 17th, 2006 at 12:49 pm
There is MUCH to be said about Tulpas. They are the peak example of Buddhism — the example of living consciousness (which can have freewill of its own). I actually wrote about this very possibility last year when the Prophet Yawyeh was at his peak.
What I think is that he creates (unknowingly in his case) Tulpas that ‘appear in the sky as an orb’ and then move on their own accord and last for the energy that they have. As far as taking on shapes; they have to be some shape to be a space to begin with - so yes. Could they be ‘charged’ in a sense with `consciousness’ — yes.
Is any of this different in any way from what Ted Serios (could be mis-spelled) did in the 1950’s when he projected his thoughts onto film and even motion picture film. I think not.
December 17th, 2006 at 4:51 pm
Exactly. The initial key is the creation of these things. Then, when they take on a quasi-existence of their own is where it gets really interesting.
December 18th, 2006 at 10:05 am
I am not as educated on this subject as you guys are, but what always struck me as interesting is not who or what is making these things, and it sounds as if it could be a combination of us/them, or an interaction of us/them at the least…but what always intrigued me more are the actual symbols. Fakers aside, if people are making these circles under the “influence,” so to speak, or if ET’s are making them, why do they choose the symbols they choose? What do they want to convey? I can’t help but think of tagging, you know, the marks and names and symbols gangbangers leave on walls, etc…to let others know they are there, often as warnings as much as they are announcements of a sort.
I am doing some preliminary research on symbols and how they are the language of the subconscious…so any comments would be appreciated.
December 18th, 2006 at 10:54 am
Marie
The issue of the nature of the formations, etc., is a good one.
Certainly Mandalas feature a lot. There have been various formations picking up on imagery and designs from ancient cultures, etc., too.
I think the most significant thing is that whoever - or whatever - is making the formations primarily wants us to think about the designs.
Now, if some circles are made by people, then this raises the question of under what circumstances are they receiving the images?
It’s intersting to speculate that perhaps in our subconscious there are indeed archetypal images/imagery that perhaps manifest in the formations made.
December 18th, 2006 at 5:07 pm
I’m a bit puzzled as to the alleged nature of these creatures. I’m getting two different messages here. The first is that the Tulpa/Tulku are created by us, i.e., that they never had an existence before we conjured them into one. They would be like the kabbalistic Golem, or the critter from that old movie, “Forbidden Planet”.
The second is that they already exist in some way, entirely independent of ourselves, and that our thoughts only bridge the gap between where they exist and our own world so that they can come through.
Which of these two scenarios is it, or is it both?
December 19th, 2006 at 5:58 am
It is complicated, but in my view it goes something like this:
We do conjure these things up and we are responsible for bringing them into our existence in the form that we specifically interpret them (the Greys, the Blondes of Contactee lore, goblins, Mothman, Owlman, etc.).
But, that they have some form of existence in a realm that has to be accessed - and has been via the work of people like Strassman, McKenna, Parsons, etc.
Although what this realm actually is, is admitted speculation. But I don’t believe these things exist there in the physical sense that we understand it, or in the way that we see them in our world.
But that when we link with them, they can cross the void, if you will, and manifest - in true Tulpa style - according to our subconscious imagery and expectations.
So, in my opinion, we are creating them Tulpa-style in terms of appearance, etc. but we are forming (or perhaps being manipulated to form) them in an image that is socially acceptable to the era in human history that we are in.
The Tulpa supposedly thrives on emotion, so it’s possible that we are somehow being subconsciously encouraged/manipulated to open the door and conjure these things into our world, where they can go on a feeding frenzy.
And, who knows, maybe when the door is open it allows Tulpa/thought-forms that exist in their original form to come through en masse and that then exist in some form of quasi-limbo in our world until people begin to see them, and they begin to develop into an archetypal Tulpa image - the alien, the pixie, the apeman, etc.
December 23rd, 2006 at 4:18 pm
This is a fascinating thread but in my mind too many things are left up to question.
In any criminology question (damage to a field) or sociological attempt to determine why a behaviour persists or why someone commited an act you have to determine target, opportunity and desire. So there are fields all over Wiltshire and North America where you can create a crop circle. (Target) Opportunity is harder but those farmers don’t watch their fields constantly. (Opportunity) But what is the desire? And if people are being subconsciously driven to do this the question is. What is the motive of the force driving them?
Is it just the desire to create something beautiful or confusing? Is this a case of serious agriculture graffiti?
Or is it something more sinister? Are practitioners of dark earth magic disrupting farm fields for their own unknown and possibly dark desires? Why not buy your own wheat field and destroy it?
I am not an expert on Tulpas but where I grew up the Native Americans had a legend about the Skinwalkers who would do this kind of prank. Disrupting farm fields and even the ancient accounts of possessions and animal mutilations pointed at the skinwalkers. If there is anything disturbing about these things it is why a human would feel “compulsed” to do them.
December 26th, 2006 at 8:25 am
You’re correct in the sense that there does seem to be a degree of compulsive behavior behind the work of many of the known circle makers, and a sense of being driven to do this.
The biggest problem with the circles is that many true believers see aliens at work; while the skeptics see it all as the work of people - but without the need of an outside force guiding them.
So what happens is that the issue of investigating the guiding force behind the human angle very often gets overlooked by both the believers and the skeptics.
It could indeed be something sinister at work; but the one thing I know for certain is that a comprehensive in-depth study (maybe even a book) definitely needs to be done that addresses all of the human-angles - not just the “hoaxing” and “artwork” angles; but more specifically the anomalous experiences that the circle makers have too.
Investigating and trying to resolve the latter could be the key to resolving it all.