I’ll have to leave it here Nick. Thank you for your time, and your thoughtful and patient responses.

I look forward to hearing the outcome of your talks with Matthew and Winston.
Cheers

With respect, it’s not all hearsay with Matt. I can tell you one specific reason why Matt has been cautious about revealing the names of circle makers and their specific designs.

It’s actually very simple: there are certain people in the Crop Circle community that want to see the human circle makers (or hoaxers as they call them) prosecuted for causing criminal damage.

They are just looking to have people outed so they can then shop them to the cops. Hence the reason for caution that some of the circle makers have re disclosing names etc.

Following on: there is demonstrable evidence that Matt is a highly skilled circle maker and whose work - for me, at least - shows that we need not bring aliens into the equation.

For example, did you know that in 2002 Matt was flown to New Zealand by Japanese TV and was given permission to make crop formations in fields as a demonstration of how me made the one that got him busted by the police?

He made the formations at night, in darkness.

Here’s the link to the TV show and formations he made.

I’m not saying aliens couldn’t be involved; however, when we can prove (as per the Japanese TV show and accompanying night-vision film taken by the crew of Matt making the formations) that people like Matt make highly complex formations in complete darkness, why the need to suggest an ET component?

Matt himself has had numerous weird experiences in human-made circles. If, as he believes there is a connection with earth magic and ritual, then even if the formation that Winsto filmed is utterly genuine and Matt is wrong, it’s only a leap of faith that this means it has to be ET. It could still be further evidence of Matt’s theory - the magic and ritual angle combined with earth energies.

It could be aliens. However, one thing to bear in mind is that although they don’t like to talk about it for the most part, numerous human circle makers have experienced weird phenomena in the formations they personally made.

Matt W has seen the Balls of Light and even experienced missing time in a man made formation. That’s why he believes we’re dealing with something that involves humans, interacting with the landscape and natural magic and the Earth itself.

I will indeed contact Winston.

Video technology — the explosion of Electronic Medium communication or whatever — maybe just as critical in the crop circle scene, as this convergence of quantum chaos with ancient mythology causes matter to be “charged” with intention, manifesting sort of like Ted Serios’ work with photographs….

I think why the human angle is looked down on is simply because certain people want to believe it’s connected with aliens and anything that undermines that view has to be wrong. That may sound like a generalisation; however, I have seen countless people standing in crop circles (particularly when I used to go down to Wiltshire at the height of the controversy in the late 80s and early 90s), asking questions about “the aliens” and why “they” make circles etc.

Belief is a powerful thing, and when people say things that go against that belief they (the believers) get very defensive.

I’m seeing Matt in 3 weeks time and I have made a note to ask him about the 7/7 formation, and get a definitive statement from him on all aspects of it. I’ll post what he has to say here.

That said, I have watched a video of Matthew Williams on youtube where he says that the 7/7 East Field formation was comitted by people known to him. As you must know, Winston Keech filmed the formation ‘as it happened’. I’ve seen it. Win showed it to me, and there ain’t nobody making that circle. Why MW would want to, or feel the need to, decry this awesome evidence of otherworldly, or at least non-physical,construction is a question I am asking.

Nice to see you follow up on your comments to my post about the interaction between circle makers and “something else.”

Williams’ comments sort of make you think about what was going on with ancient “Indian” mounds, giant earthwork figures and the lines at Nazca and elsewhere.