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		<title>By: Level-Head-Open-Mind</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/2012-the-end/#comment-6198</link>
		<dc:creator>Level-Head-Open-Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born on December 21st, so I have a special interest in this "End-of-days" scenario. I plan to have a big birthday celebration, I am creating special invites for the party-to-end-all-parties!

Personally I believe the Mayans were clearly advanced (Scientifically) well beyond what we perceive to be their technological capabilities... They unerringly predicted many planetary events with Swiss-style precision. I have no doubt "Something" is going to happen, what? I don't know, but I will welcome the event with good food and drink.

NASA points to an extraordinarily potent Solar Maxim(um?) that will peak around 2012. Normally an event that goes unnoticed, cyclically, every 12 years or so... but due to an rare "Closeness" of our planet and the Sun, this one will be as NASA says, "A doozy". This will disrupt many things with sensitive electronics, satellites cel phone communications, possibly other things to, but this in itself will hardly be an end-of-days harbinger.

Some of this is natural "Angst", we can see our selves as a species reaching an apex, globally, ecologically, spiritually and technologically (Look up the technology singularity). It is natural, and probably sensible, to assume that we humans will eventually wipe ourselves out, through some self inflicted disaster, as has already been pointed out, from our inability to regulate our food consumption, to our rude disregard for our environment and precious resources, we don't stand much of a chance in the long run.

I hope I'm wrong, but I see too much evidence every day to convince me that 80% of the human species is too stupid or arrogant to do anything but burn everything hard and fast until there is nothing left. 

So on that note, on my birthday, December 21st 2012, I will be partying like it's 1999!!

Peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born on December 21st, so I have a special interest in this &#8220;End-of-days&#8221; scenario. I plan to have a big birthday celebration, I am creating special invites for the party-to-end-all-parties!</p>
<p>Personally I believe the Mayans were clearly advanced (Scientifically) well beyond what we perceive to be their technological capabilities&#8230; They unerringly predicted many planetary events with Swiss-style precision. I have no doubt &#8220;Something&#8221; is going to happen, what? I don&#8217;t know, but I will welcome the event with good food and drink.</p>
<p>NASA points to an extraordinarily potent Solar Maxim(um?) that will peak around 2012. Normally an event that goes unnoticed, cyclically, every 12 years or so&#8230; but due to an rare &#8220;Closeness&#8221; of our planet and the Sun, this one will be as NASA says, &#8220;A doozy&#8221;. This will disrupt many things with sensitive electronics, satellites cel phone communications, possibly other things to, but this in itself will hardly be an end-of-days harbinger.</p>
<p>Some of this is natural &#8220;Angst&#8221;, we can see our selves as a species reaching an apex, globally, ecologically, spiritually and technologically (Look up the technology singularity). It is natural, and probably sensible, to assume that we humans will eventually wipe ourselves out, through some self inflicted disaster, as has already been pointed out, from our inability to regulate our food consumption, to our rude disregard for our environment and precious resources, we don&#8217;t stand much of a chance in the long run.</p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;m wrong, but I see too much evidence every day to convince me that 80% of the human species is too stupid or arrogant to do anything but burn everything hard and fast until there is nothing left. </p>
<p>So on that note, on my birthday, December 21st 2012, I will be partying like it&#8217;s 1999!!</p>
<p>Peace</p>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/2012-the-end/#comment-6192</link>
		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kind of like the movie "In Bruges" which I just watched.  You're not sure if he dies at the end -- and so it is in the Oz Effect: Are we conscious of that which we don't remember?  Being unconscious just means not being aware of consciousness, while the latter creates and enables the Oz Effect.  The former is the tunnel or gate which is traversed -- literally a black hole.

Consider the CERN experiments for mini-blackholes.  As James Blodgett notes CERN admits there's a .001 chance of the black holes expanding through a chain reaction which would then vaporize the planet.  Blodgett notes that the physicists consider .001 chance to be nonexistant.  Yet as a statistician Blodgett emphasizes that a .001 chance is what the space shuttle encounters with each voyage but a .001 chance would not be allowed for a commerical airplane, nevertheless physicists are allowing that risk level for the WHOLE PLANET.  Blodgett has debated the CERN physicists and Blodgett contacted me after I posted a message online several years ago noting that astronomer Timothy Ferris had this to say on the CERN mini-blackholes:  There's a very slight chance the planet could be destroyed but it if happens no one will know it happened.  The Oz Effect for the whole planet.

And so science operates as a huge unconscious repression of oppressive technology which the scientists then project back onto the planet as a whole.  The Oz Effect is just one example of how a human experiencing occult high-tech would also become unaware of the black hole tunnel traversed into another dimension of spacetime.  Usually the experience is then made conscious through hypnosis -- just as Buddhist master Nan, Huai-chin details paradoxically there are "different levels of empty awareness."  And so science also justifies the possible vaporization of the planet as a necessary risk to eventually enable the whole universe to "evolve" through the advances in scientific technology.  But as Sri Ramana Maharshi states about consciousness -- nondual awareness:  "There is no evolution."  That's the difference between awareness as electromagnetic perception and consciousness as its own reality beyond spacetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of like the movie &#8220;In Bruges&#8221; which I just watched.  You&#8217;re not sure if he dies at the end &#8212; and so it is in the Oz Effect: Are we conscious of that which we don&#8217;t remember?  Being unconscious just means not being aware of consciousness, while the latter creates and enables the Oz Effect.  The former is the tunnel or gate which is traversed &#8212; literally a black hole.</p>
<p>Consider the CERN experiments for mini-blackholes.  As James Blodgett notes CERN admits there&#8217;s a .001 chance of the black holes expanding through a chain reaction which would then vaporize the planet.  Blodgett notes that the physicists consider .001 chance to be nonexistant.  Yet as a statistician Blodgett emphasizes that a .001 chance is what the space shuttle encounters with each voyage but a .001 chance would not be allowed for a commerical airplane, nevertheless physicists are allowing that risk level for the WHOLE PLANET.  Blodgett has debated the CERN physicists and Blodgett contacted me after I posted a message online several years ago noting that astronomer Timothy Ferris had this to say on the CERN mini-blackholes:  There&#8217;s a very slight chance the planet could be destroyed but it if happens no one will know it happened.  The Oz Effect for the whole planet.</p>
<p>And so science operates as a huge unconscious repression of oppressive technology which the scientists then project back onto the planet as a whole.  The Oz Effect is just one example of how a human experiencing occult high-tech would also become unaware of the black hole tunnel traversed into another dimension of spacetime.  Usually the experience is then made conscious through hypnosis &#8212; just as Buddhist master Nan, Huai-chin details paradoxically there are &#8220;different levels of empty awareness.&#8221;  And so science also justifies the possible vaporization of the planet as a necessary risk to eventually enable the whole universe to &#8220;evolve&#8221; through the advances in scientific technology.  But as Sri Ramana Maharshi states about consciousness &#8212; nondual awareness:  &#8220;There is no evolution.&#8221;  That&#8217;s the difference between awareness as electromagnetic perception and consciousness as its own reality beyond spacetime.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/2012-the-end/#comment-6184</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew, your post above is completely fitting for this blog since it's run by Nick Redfern.

But taking a comment meant for "Nick" and pasting it over at Rigorous Intuition where, as far as I can tell, no one named "Nick" exists, just makes you look a tad bit loony.

I know I'm belaboring my point by coming here, but I've read enough of your RI comments addressed to non-existent RI-ers to wonder about your mental state.

Now that I know you're just absolutely enthralled with everything that you type and you feel the need to share with others.

Which is fine. I'm just suggesting a little editing. 

Your post at Rig Int would have looked much more reasonable if it wasn't addressed to a "Nick" who wasn't there.

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew, your post above is completely fitting for this blog since it&#8217;s run by Nick Redfern.</p>
<p>But taking a comment meant for &#8220;Nick&#8221; and pasting it over at Rigorous Intuition where, as far as I can tell, no one named &#8220;Nick&#8221; exists, just makes you look a tad bit loony.</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m belaboring my point by coming here, but I&#8217;ve read enough of your RI comments addressed to non-existent RI-ers to wonder about your mental state.</p>
<p>Now that I know you&#8217;re just absolutely enthralled with everything that you type and you feel the need to share with others.</p>
<p>Which is fine. I&#8217;m just suggesting a little editing. </p>
<p>Your post at Rig Int would have looked much more reasonable if it wasn&#8217;t addressed to a &#8220;Nick&#8221; who wasn&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/2012-the-end/#comment-6180</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"That’s the MAIN difference between THIS galactic alignment and the previous ones — science is based on the SOLAR calendar, whereas the original Mayan culture was matrifocal shamanism"

1) Science is not "based on the solar calendar", that is nonsense based on a lack of knowledge of what science is or does. It is CIVILIZATION that is based on the solar calendar.

2) The Mayan calendar is off two days every 10,000. The most widely used calendar in use today, is the 1582 Gregorian calendar. It loses three days every 10,000 years. The Mayan calendar, which is not in use anywhere in the world today, loses two days every 10,000 years. How do we know this? Because the science of astronomy has told us this.

3) If the Mayan shamans could not get their calendar perfectly right, what is there about it that you would want to pretend it got any other thing perfectly right?

4) It does not matter WHO predicts the galactic alignment, what matters is the difference between the alignments will still be nil. Go read some history textbooks and see for yourself -- the last 39 galactic alignments that have taken place in the last 200,000 years have had absolutely no effect on human consciousness or the environment, so again, why will this galactic alignment be any different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That’s the MAIN difference between THIS galactic alignment and the previous ones — science is based on the SOLAR calendar, whereas the original Mayan culture was matrifocal shamanism&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Science is not &#8220;based on the solar calendar&#8221;, that is nonsense based on a lack of knowledge of what science is or does. It is CIVILIZATION that is based on the solar calendar.</p>
<p>2) The Mayan calendar is off two days every 10,000. The most widely used calendar in use today, is the 1582 Gregorian calendar. It loses three days every 10,000 years. The Mayan calendar, which is not in use anywhere in the world today, loses two days every 10,000 years. How do we know this? Because the science of astronomy has told us this.</p>
<p>3) If the Mayan shamans could not get their calendar perfectly right, what is there about it that you would want to pretend it got any other thing perfectly right?</p>
<p>4) It does not matter WHO predicts the galactic alignment, what matters is the difference between the alignments will still be nil. Go read some history textbooks and see for yourself &#8212; the last 39 galactic alignments that have taken place in the last 200,000 years have had absolutely no effect on human consciousness or the environment, so again, why will this galactic alignment be any different?</p>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/2012-the-end/#comment-6163</link>
		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 21:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick I was actually paging through this book today down at B &#38; N (still no Alien Worlds and Stan's book was gone).  BTW I bought another copy of your Body Snatchers book today at my local pagan store...

Anyway here's the deal: I've read Daniel Pinchbech's 2012 book (which launched this latest new age craze -- sorry but true).  B &#38; N features half a dozen new 2012 books!  Also I've corresponded with Daniel quite a bit when he posted on his old website http://breakingopenthehead.com

The two books on the Mayans that I recommend are 1) Martin Pretchel's "Secrets of the Talking Jaguar" and 2) Ptolemy Tompkin's (son of New Age guru Peter Tompkin) -- the title slips me, something about a tree under hell...

The point being that REAL Mayan culture (and I've been to the pyramids) is actually village shaman-based NOT pyramid-calendar ritual based.  So in village shamanism the culture is much more like Taoism, where everything is gendered.

Now, as for the astronomical cycle, Sage raises an interesting point, but as usual, from WITHIN science, without taking into account the social and ecological consequences of science as a whole.  That's the MAIN difference between THIS galactic alignment and the previous ones -- science is based on the SOLAR calendar, whereas the original Mayan culture was matrifocal shamanism (just like West Africa or Taoism, etc.).

So, take, John Gribbon, for example.  I was reading another of his more recent science books -- on the big bang.  He was discussing the PROJECT POLTERGEIST -- the search for neutrinos.  I found that name fascinating.  If you take a look at Peter Woit's new book on how particle physics is a big scam -- NOT EVEN WRONG is the title -- he details how the model for neutrinos still is based on infinites which can not be renormalized.

Project Poltergeist -- the beta decay of electrons through the nucleus does create alchemical transmutation.  Nevertheless the scientific model for this relies on creating another particle which is hardly reliable as a product of nature.  Science is a big scam and not just science - but ALL solar-based calendars.

So 2012?  The fact is the Mayans were AFRAID of zero -- because zero is the matrifocal principle of creation from formless awareness or pure consciousness.  Kali is the same troubling concept (kala means time in the Vedic calendar and Kali is when time ends in destruction but then starts over as consciousness).  If you're a pyramid-priest ruling over a war-based dynasty then of course you will be obsessed with the idea of time ending or having some sort of linear, phallic trajectory.

All of these calendars rely on symmetric-based visually dominant perception which is just a byproduct of what Jacques Cauvin calls the "symbolic revolution" of circa 10,000 BCE.  Matrifocal bushmen culture, in contrast, has been documented going back to 80,000 BCE.  I just got the "Healing Dance of the Kalahari San" c.d. from the Smithsonian -- amazing healing trance music of WOMEN singing.

Taoism and true matrifocal cultures are based on the concept of Number being ASYMMETRICAL or complementary.  All of Western math relies on symmetric-based visually-dominant number (including the Mayan calendar).  So the true meaning of 2012 is that 1 plus 1 does not equal 2.  In other words 1:2, the harmonic octave, resonates, through natural overtones into 2:3 or yang -- the perfect fifth harmonic, which in turn resonates into 3:4, the perfect fourth harmonic.  That's the Pythagorean Tetrad - the secret of Quezacoatal (sp?) -- or whatever -- Kundalini, etc.  The Bushmen snake statue is from 80,000 BCE -- the oldest snake worship on record.

In other words in the Mayan calendar and in Western math there's a one-to-one correspondence of letter and number so that A x B = B x A.  But I just showed you that in natural overtone harmonics 2:3 = 3:4 so that A x B does not equal B x A.  That's the secret of nonwestern shamanism, alchemy, etc. -- and you won't find it from the pyramid priests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick I was actually paging through this book today down at B &amp; N (still no Alien Worlds and Stan&#8217;s book was gone).  BTW I bought another copy of your Body Snatchers book today at my local pagan store&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway here&#8217;s the deal: I&#8217;ve read Daniel Pinchbech&#8217;s 2012 book (which launched this latest new age craze &#8212; sorry but true).  B &amp; N features half a dozen new 2012 books!  Also I&#8217;ve corresponded with Daniel quite a bit when he posted on his old website <a href="http://breakingopenthehead.com" rel="nofollow">http://breakingopenthehead.com</a></p>
<p>The two books on the Mayans that I recommend are 1) Martin Pretchel&#8217;s &#8220;Secrets of the Talking Jaguar&#8221; and 2) Ptolemy Tompkin&#8217;s (son of New Age guru Peter Tompkin) &#8212; the title slips me, something about a tree under hell&#8230;</p>
<p>The point being that REAL Mayan culture (and I&#8217;ve been to the pyramids) is actually village shaman-based NOT pyramid-calendar ritual based.  So in village shamanism the culture is much more like Taoism, where everything is gendered.</p>
<p>Now, as for the astronomical cycle, Sage raises an interesting point, but as usual, from WITHIN science, without taking into account the social and ecological consequences of science as a whole.  That&#8217;s the MAIN difference between THIS galactic alignment and the previous ones &#8212; science is based on the SOLAR calendar, whereas the original Mayan culture was matrifocal shamanism (just like West Africa or Taoism, etc.).</p>
<p>So, take, John Gribbon, for example.  I was reading another of his more recent science books &#8212; on the big bang.  He was discussing the PROJECT POLTERGEIST &#8212; the search for neutrinos.  I found that name fascinating.  If you take a look at Peter Woit&#8217;s new book on how particle physics is a big scam &#8212; NOT EVEN WRONG is the title &#8212; he details how the model for neutrinos still is based on infinites which can not be renormalized.</p>
<p>Project Poltergeist &#8212; the beta decay of electrons through the nucleus does create alchemical transmutation.  Nevertheless the scientific model for this relies on creating another particle which is hardly reliable as a product of nature.  Science is a big scam and not just science - but ALL solar-based calendars.</p>
<p>So 2012?  The fact is the Mayans were AFRAID of zero &#8212; because zero is the matrifocal principle of creation from formless awareness or pure consciousness.  Kali is the same troubling concept (kala means time in the Vedic calendar and Kali is when time ends in destruction but then starts over as consciousness).  If you&#8217;re a pyramid-priest ruling over a war-based dynasty then of course you will be obsessed with the idea of time ending or having some sort of linear, phallic trajectory.</p>
<p>All of these calendars rely on symmetric-based visually dominant perception which is just a byproduct of what Jacques Cauvin calls the &#8220;symbolic revolution&#8221; of circa 10,000 BCE.  Matrifocal bushmen culture, in contrast, has been documented going back to 80,000 BCE.  I just got the &#8220;Healing Dance of the Kalahari San&#8221; c.d. from the Smithsonian &#8212; amazing healing trance music of WOMEN singing.</p>
<p>Taoism and true matrifocal cultures are based on the concept of Number being ASYMMETRICAL or complementary.  All of Western math relies on symmetric-based visually-dominant number (including the Mayan calendar).  So the true meaning of 2012 is that 1 plus 1 does not equal 2.  In other words 1:2, the harmonic octave, resonates, through natural overtones into 2:3 or yang &#8212; the perfect fifth harmonic, which in turn resonates into 3:4, the perfect fourth harmonic.  That&#8217;s the Pythagorean Tetrad - the secret of Quezacoatal (sp?) &#8212; or whatever &#8212; Kundalini, etc.  The Bushmen snake statue is from 80,000 BCE &#8212; the oldest snake worship on record.</p>
<p>In other words in the Mayan calendar and in Western math there&#8217;s a one-to-one correspondence of letter and number so that A x B = B x A.  But I just showed you that in natural overtone harmonics 2:3 = 3:4 so that A x B does not equal B x A.  That&#8217;s the secret of nonwestern shamanism, alchemy, etc. &#8212; and you won&#8217;t find it from the pyramid priests.</p>
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		<title>By: crgintx</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I firmly believe that 21Dec2012 will pass without major incident just like Y2K did. If there's a new era of enlightened thinking, let's hope that it's one that keeps the best of the past and create a new sense of responsibility towards humanity lifting itself out of its intellectual and spiritual infancy.  My greatest hope is that we humans can finally start a real space exploration program.  We have had the technological means to begin a serious manned exploration of our immediate solar system for over 30 years but have been shackled to low earth orbit when we could have put humans full time on both Mars and the Moon 15-20 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I firmly believe that 21Dec2012 will pass without major incident just like Y2K did. If there&#8217;s a new era of enlightened thinking, let&#8217;s hope that it&#8217;s one that keeps the best of the past and create a new sense of responsibility towards humanity lifting itself out of its intellectual and spiritual infancy.  My greatest hope is that we humans can finally start a real space exploration program.  We have had the technological means to begin a serious manned exploration of our immediate solar system for over 30 years but have been shackled to low earth orbit when we could have put humans full time on both Mars and the Moon 15-20 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac Tonnies</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/2012-the-end/#comment-6160</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac Tonnies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 07:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you read Daniel Pinchbeck's "2012"?  I haven't read it yet, but it's essentially optimistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you read Daniel Pinchbeck&#8217;s &#8220;2012&#8243;?  I haven&#8217;t read it yet, but it&#8217;s essentially optimistic.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/2012-the-end/#comment-6159</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La Lune, it is a little more than the end of the Mayan calendar. There are two other significant things that happen on that date: the winter solstice and the alignment of the Sun with the center of the Milky Way galaxy on that date. That does sound significant except for one little thing -- it is wrong! I think it was Terrence McKenna who first mislead the New Agers into believing that Dec 21st, 2012, which is the end of the cycle of Mayan 5,125 years (Baktun), was not only the winter solstice (as it has been for the last 200 years or so. The winter solstice used to occur on Dec 25th during the Festival of Saturnalia, which was later on swapped for the celebration of the birthday of Christ, or Christmas, by the Catholics) but it is also when the Sun would align with the galactic center. That myth has been propagated to the point that now the the vast majority of people believe it is true, but the truth is that the Sun already passed the galactic center way back in 1997-98! If the Mayan calendar relied on these two conjunctions as a marker for the end of their 5,125 year cycle, they missed the mark by 11 years! So much for the "accuracy" of the Mayan calendar. Of course there is no use telling believers this because they are going to believe whatever they want to believe, despite the evidence to the contrary. Incredibly, pointing out this truth will make them believe in their own version all the more, but no matter, the argument I gave earlier still works to demonstrate the silliness of the whole idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Lune, it is a little more than the end of the Mayan calendar. There are two other significant things that happen on that date: the winter solstice and the alignment of the Sun with the center of the Milky Way galaxy on that date. That does sound significant except for one little thing &#8212; it is wrong! I think it was Terrence McKenna who first mislead the New Agers into believing that Dec 21st, 2012, which is the end of the cycle of Mayan 5,125 years (Baktun), was not only the winter solstice (as it has been for the last 200 years or so. The winter solstice used to occur on Dec 25th during the Festival of Saturnalia, which was later on swapped for the celebration of the birthday of Christ, or Christmas, by the Catholics) but it is also when the Sun would align with the galactic center. That myth has been propagated to the point that now the the vast majority of people believe it is true, but the truth is that the Sun already passed the galactic center way back in 1997-98! If the Mayan calendar relied on these two conjunctions as a marker for the end of their 5,125 year cycle, they missed the mark by 11 years! So much for the &#8220;accuracy&#8221; of the Mayan calendar. Of course there is no use telling believers this because they are going to believe whatever they want to believe, despite the evidence to the contrary. Incredibly, pointing out this truth will make them believe in their own version all the more, but no matter, the argument I gave earlier still works to demonstrate the silliness of the whole idea.</p>
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		<title>By: La Lune Press</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/2012-the-end/#comment-6156</link>
		<dc:creator>La Lune Press</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 02:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read somewhere that the Mayan calender is scheduled to be reset or start over on December 21, 2012; in the same way that our calender "resets" itself every December 31st (and goes back to January 1st). 

No links on hand, but its something along the lines of the Mayan "long-count" calender reaching 13.0.0.0.0 on Dec. 21, and then the next day going back to 0.0.0.0.1 (Dec. 22). 

So it may very well be nothing more than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read somewhere that the Mayan calender is scheduled to be reset or start over on December 21, 2012; in the same way that our calender &#8220;resets&#8221; itself every December 31st (and goes back to January 1st). </p>
<p>No links on hand, but its something along the lines of the Mayan &#8220;long-count&#8221; calender reaching 13.0.0.0.0 on Dec. 21, and then the next day going back to 0.0.0.0.1 (Dec. 22). </p>
<p>So it may very well be nothing more than that.</p>
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		<title>By: euphemystic</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beyond the Fringe End of the World sketch:
www.epicure.demon.co.uk/endworld.html 

Rise of the European Union?  Given their   plummeting birth rate, in a hundred years there might be enough Europeans left to operate the medieval theme parks for Europe's new owners, the Chinese and Indians!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beyond the Fringe End of the World sketch:<br />
<a href="http://www.epicure.demon.co.uk/endworld.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.epicure.demon.co.uk/endworld.html</a> </p>
<p>Rise of the European Union?  Given their   plummeting birth rate, in a hundred years there might be enough Europeans left to operate the medieval theme parks for Europe&#8217;s new owners, the Chinese and Indians!</p>
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