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	<title>Comments on: Lonnie Zamora 1933-2009</title>
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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/11/05/lonnie-zamora-1933-2009/#comment-10990</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Methinks someone here fully endorses the 'college prank' hypothesis recently proposed"

Is that a fact? ;-)

"We also know that, after that, the object disappeared quite rapidly from Zamoraâ€™s POV"

And just exactly how many MPH is "quite rapid" from Zamora's POV? We do know it took six seconds for the object to rise vertically 25 feet in the air. It then took another six seconds to rise yet another 11 feet. That is not "quite rapid" to me.

Lonnie was not very good at making scientific observations. For example, he estimated his time observing the object at twenty seconds, but he spent 12 seconds running away from the object and his car, which implies he at least spent 12 second running back to his car, and this doesn't include the time spent fumbling for his glasses and stopping to take cover from the object. That is much longer than 20 seconds. So if Lonnie estimates 20 seconds and is way off, why take him at his word that the object moved "quite rapidly" -- whatever that means anyway?

"You should check out the Paracast show where Ray Stanford discusses the Zamora case"

I'm not interested in what Ray Stanford says about the case, I'm interested in what Zamora said about the case, in his own words when he gave his statement to Project Bluebook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Methinks someone here fully endorses the &#8216;college prank&#8217; hypothesis recently proposed&#8221;</p>
<p>Is that a fact? <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;We also know that, after that, the object disappeared quite rapidly from Zamoraâ€™s POV&#8221;</p>
<p>And just exactly how many MPH is &#8220;quite rapid&#8221; from Zamora&#8217;s POV? We do know it took six seconds for the object to rise vertically 25 feet in the air. It then took another six seconds to rise yet another 11 feet. That is not &#8220;quite rapid&#8221; to me.</p>
<p>Lonnie was not very good at making scientific observations. For example, he estimated his time observing the object at twenty seconds, but he spent 12 seconds running away from the object and his car, which implies he at least spent 12 second running back to his car, and this doesn&#8217;t include the time spent fumbling for his glasses and stopping to take cover from the object. That is much longer than 20 seconds. So if Lonnie estimates 20 seconds and is way off, why take him at his word that the object moved &#8220;quite rapidly&#8221; &#8212; whatever that means anyway?</p>
<p>&#8220;You should check out the Paracast show where Ray Stanford discusses the Zamora case&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not interested in what Ray Stanford says about the case, I&#8217;m interested in what Zamora said about the case, in his own words when he gave his statement to Project Bluebook.</p>
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		<title>By: red pill junkie</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/11/05/lonnie-zamora-1933-2009/#comment-10969</link>
		<dc:creator>red pill junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;"We also know that the object looked exactly like a hot air balloon with a propane torch, and the object took off real slow like a hot air balloon, taking six seconds to rise a mere 25 feet in the air."&lt;/i&gt;

Methinks someone here fully endorses the "college prank" hypothesis recently proposed ;-)

We also know that, after that, the object disappeared quite rapidly from Zamora's POV. You should check out the Paracast show where Ray Stanford discusses the Zamora case.

&lt;i&gt;"â€¦maybe because they were human."&lt;/i&gt;

Definitely maybe :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;We also know that the object looked exactly like a hot air balloon with a propane torch, and the object took off real slow like a hot air balloon, taking six seconds to rise a mere 25 feet in the air.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Methinks someone here fully endorses the &#8220;college prank&#8221; hypothesis recently proposed <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We also know that, after that, the object disappeared quite rapidly from Zamora&#8217;s POV. You should check out the Paracast show where Ray Stanford discusses the Zamora case.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;â€¦maybe because they were human.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Definitely maybe <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/11/05/lonnie-zamora-1933-2009/#comment-10967</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"You donâ€™t need to be able to read facial expressions to see a sudden change in posture, a change in stance that indicates awareness"

Then you need to change RP's wording to "acted startled" instead of "looked startled".

"Why do we presume an alien being would share our same body languages, when we donâ€™t even know if they share our same body chemistry?"

Besides yourself, who else is making that presumption? And why do you also presume that what Zamora saw was an alien?

"The only thing we can tell from Zamoraâ€™s report is that the beings he saw were humanoid in shape, but thatâ€™s it"

...maybe because they were human. By the way, it isn't the only thing we can tell from Zamora's report. We also know that the object looked exactly like a hot air balloon with a propane torch, and the object took off real slow like a hot air balloon, taking six seconds to rise a mere 25 feet in the air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You donâ€™t need to be able to read facial expressions to see a sudden change in posture, a change in stance that indicates awareness&#8221;</p>
<p>Then you need to change RP&#8217;s wording to &#8220;acted startled&#8221; instead of &#8220;looked startled&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Why do we presume an alien being would share our same body languages, when we donâ€™t even know if they share our same body chemistry?&#8221;</p>
<p>Besides yourself, who else is making that presumption? And why do you also presume that what Zamora saw was an alien?</p>
<p>&#8220;The only thing we can tell from Zamoraâ€™s report is that the beings he saw were humanoid in shape, but thatâ€™s it&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;maybe because they were human. By the way, it isn&#8217;t the only thing we can tell from Zamora&#8217;s report. We also know that the object looked exactly like a hot air balloon with a propane torch, and the object took off real slow like a hot air balloon, taking six seconds to rise a mere 25 feet in the air.</p>
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		<title>By: red pill junkie</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/11/05/lonnie-zamora-1933-2009/#comment-10966</link>
		<dc:creator>red pill junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's why I referred by "body  language", Craig. And I can be comfortable with the idea of a police officer being quite good at interpreting shifts in posture with mood changes.

But... we reach another conundrum â€”why do we presume an alien being would share our same body languages, when we don't even know if they share our same body chemistry? The only thing we can tell from Zamora's report is that the beings he saw were humanoid in shape, but that's it :-/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s why I referred by &#8220;body  language&#8221;, Craig. And I can be comfortable with the idea of a police officer being quite good at interpreting shifts in posture with mood changes.</p>
<p>But&#8230; we reach another conundrum â€”why do we presume an alien being would share our same body languages, when we don&#8217;t even know if they share our same body chemistry? The only thing we can tell from Zamora&#8217;s report is that the beings he saw were humanoid in shape, but that&#8217;s it :-/</p>
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		<title>By: craig york</title>
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		<dc:creator>craig york</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure he could. You don't need to be 
 able to read facial expressions to see
 a sudden change in posture, a change
 in stance that indicates awareness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure he could. You don&#8217;t need to be<br />
 able to read facial expressions to see<br />
 a sudden change in posture, a change<br />
 in stance that indicates awareness.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/11/05/lonnie-zamora-1933-2009/#comment-10960</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Maybe Zamora wasnâ€™t close enough to pay attention to these features. But then, how was he able to perceive that the creatures looked startled to see him?"

He couldn't since in his report he stated:

1) The Sun was in his eyes
2) He was wearing green-tinted sunglasses</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe Zamora wasnâ€™t close enough to pay attention to these features. But then, how was he able to perceive that the creatures looked startled to see him?&#8221;</p>
<p>He couldn&#8217;t since in his report he stated:</p>
<p>1) The Sun was in his eyes<br />
2) He was wearing green-tinted sunglasses</p>
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		<title>By: red pill junkie</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/11/05/lonnie-zamora-1933-2009/#comment-10957</link>
		<dc:creator>red pill junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we know more details abut the morphological features of the beings? I always read they were like "small adults" (5 feet or so), but what about the color of their skin, the size of their noses, or maybe the size and color the eyes?

Maybe Zamora wasn't close enough to pay attention to these features. But then, how was he able to perceive that the creatures looked startled to see him? Was that due to their body language alone?

Descanse en Paz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we know more details abut the morphological features of the beings? I always read they were like &#8220;small adults&#8221; (5 feet or so), but what about the color of their skin, the size of their noses, or maybe the size and color the eyes?</p>
<p>Maybe Zamora wasn&#8217;t close enough to pay attention to these features. But then, how was he able to perceive that the creatures looked startled to see him? Was that due to their body language alone?</p>
<p>Descanse en Paz.</p>
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		<title>By: craig york</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/11/05/lonnie-zamora-1933-2009/#comment-10955</link>
		<dc:creator>craig york</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rest in Peace, Officer Zamora.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rest in Peace, Officer Zamora.</p>
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