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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/08/23/ur-doin-it-wrong/#comment-9923</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now for the rest of the story...

1a. All of the hundreds of (alleged) physical trace cases have never actually provided samples of that (alleged) evidence for others to see. It has always been mere reports of physical trace evidence and never evidence of the thing reported.

1b. Not one laboratory has ever provided *scientifically peer reviewed* evidence that that aliens have visited us. Most references to laboratories in UFO literature has been of the second-hand variety, i.e. -- a UFO "researcher" submitted a sample of something to a laboratory that in turn said they couldn't identify it, which is not at all the same thing as identifying it as being of alien origin.

2. Hundreds of people have all come forward to swear under oath that the moon landings were faked or that they have seen Elvis alive, but guess what? They are all wrong! So you see, your argument of one hundred Frenchmen can't be wrong, is wrong. One hundred Frenchmen can be wrong. It doesn't matter how many make a claim or who makes the claim, all that matters are there any facts to back up the claim. Don't make the mistake of confusing the report of something being a "fact" as evidence that the thing reported actually is a fact. Hundreds of THOUSANDS of people all used to claim that the world was flat, including many very respected and high profile individuals. Numerous testimonies and observations were made to verify this fact and guess where all those people are now? Extinct! Why? Because anyone can claim anything that they feel like claiming, but a claim is not a fact, it is a blind faith assertion -- unless they can put their money where their mouth is and provide physically demonstrable evidence for all to actually see, smell, taste, hear, and touch for themselves.

3. Unexplained scars and secondhand storytales of being abduction is not proof of alien abductions. Disproving that the make believe explanation that the only source of mysterious scars is from alien abductions is silly, since there is nothing to disprove where nothing has been proven in the first place.

4. You are correct that there is no scientific reason to believe we are alone in the Universe or our galaxy, but there is every scientific reason to disbelieve that any interstellar civilizations have or are visiting us.

5. Every single high profile UFO case, including Roswell, Rendlesham, and The Phoenix Lights, has ever been proven to taken place as claimed -- and there is nothing to explain where nothing has been proven to happen in the first place.

6. Even if in real life there were such a thing as a government document attesting to the official knowledge of UFOs as alien spacecraft (there isn't), governments are not known for their scientific competency or objective observation capabilities. If you want to know reality as it is instead of what you wish it were like, you don't consult a government agency you consult a scientific one. And if you take a closer look at those thousands of pages of government documents, the vast majority of them attest to the official ignorance of the UFO phenomenon. In fact, that is the exact reason why, in the last few years, three countries have come forward and released all of they government documents on UFOs -- because they don't know anything either.

7. There is ample evidence that humans are subject to mass delusions, all throughout history. For example, there is 80 MB of mass delusions documented throughout history at http://www.archive.org/details/extraordinarypop014178mbp. The current UFO fad comfortably fits right in-between all those 784 pages.

8. There is no compelling reason for anyone to accept the extra-terrestrial hypothesis unless somehow, after all those billions of abductions and sightings and cover-ups, someone can tell us why no one can agree on what an ET looks or acts like, much less show us one that exists outside of their imagination.

9. Just because an advanced civilization could visit us, doesn't prove that they would or have visited us. The possibility is high, but the probability is low.

10. UFOs are exactly what everybody says they are...objects flying through the air that cannot be identified as anything, including being identified as an alien spacecraft. It is simple logic: if you can identify a flying objects as an alien spacecraft, then it isn't unidentified anymore.

A more important question is, why do so many people have such a difficult time distinguishing the difference between reality and fantasy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now for the rest of the story&#8230;</p>
<p>1a. All of the hundreds of (alleged) physical trace cases have never actually provided samples of that (alleged) evidence for others to see. It has always been mere reports of physical trace evidence and never evidence of the thing reported.</p>
<p>1b. Not one laboratory has ever provided *scientifically peer reviewed* evidence that that aliens have visited us. Most references to laboratories in UFO literature has been of the second-hand variety, i.e. &#8212; a UFO &#8220;researcher&#8221; submitted a sample of something to a laboratory that in turn said they couldn&#8217;t identify it, which is not at all the same thing as identifying it as being of alien origin.</p>
<p>2. Hundreds of people have all come forward to swear under oath that the moon landings were faked or that they have seen Elvis alive, but guess what? They are all wrong! So you see, your argument of one hundred Frenchmen can&#8217;t be wrong, is wrong. One hundred Frenchmen can be wrong. It doesn&#8217;t matter how many make a claim or who makes the claim, all that matters are there any facts to back up the claim. Don&#8217;t make the mistake of confusing the report of something being a &#8220;fact&#8221; as evidence that the thing reported actually is a fact. Hundreds of THOUSANDS of people all used to claim that the world was flat, including many very respected and high profile individuals. Numerous testimonies and observations were made to verify this fact and guess where all those people are now? Extinct! Why? Because anyone can claim anything that they feel like claiming, but a claim is not a fact, it is a blind faith assertion &#8212; unless they can put their money where their mouth is and provide physically demonstrable evidence for all to actually see, smell, taste, hear, and touch for themselves.</p>
<p>3. Unexplained scars and secondhand storytales of being abduction is not proof of alien abductions. Disproving that the make believe explanation that the only source of mysterious scars is from alien abductions is silly, since there is nothing to disprove where nothing has been proven in the first place.</p>
<p>4. You are correct that there is no scientific reason to believe we are alone in the Universe or our galaxy, but there is every scientific reason to disbelieve that any interstellar civilizations have or are visiting us.</p>
<p>5. Every single high profile UFO case, including Roswell, Rendlesham, and The Phoenix Lights, has ever been proven to taken place as claimed &#8212; and there is nothing to explain where nothing has been proven to happen in the first place.</p>
<p>6. Even if in real life there were such a thing as a government document attesting to the official knowledge of UFOs as alien spacecraft (there isn&#8217;t), governments are not known for their scientific competency or objective observation capabilities. If you want to know reality as it is instead of what you wish it were like, you don&#8217;t consult a government agency you consult a scientific one. And if you take a closer look at those thousands of pages of government documents, the vast majority of them attest to the official ignorance of the UFO phenomenon. In fact, that is the exact reason why, in the last few years, three countries have come forward and released all of they government documents on UFOs &#8212; because they don&#8217;t know anything either.</p>
<p>7. There is ample evidence that humans are subject to mass delusions, all throughout history. For example, there is 80 MB of mass delusions documented throughout history at <a href="http://www.archive.org/details/extraordinarypop014178mbp" rel="nofollow">http://www.archive.org/details/extraordinarypop014178mbp</a>. The current UFO fad comfortably fits right in-between all those 784 pages.</p>
<p>8. There is no compelling reason for anyone to accept the extra-terrestrial hypothesis unless somehow, after all those billions of abductions and sightings and cover-ups, someone can tell us why no one can agree on what an ET looks or acts like, much less show us one that exists outside of their imagination.</p>
<p>9. Just because an advanced civilization could visit us, doesn&#8217;t prove that they would or have visited us. The possibility is high, but the probability is low.</p>
<p>10. UFOs are exactly what everybody says they are&#8230;objects flying through the air that cannot be identified as anything, including being identified as an alien spacecraft. It is simple logic: if you can identify a flying objects as an alien spacecraft, then it isn&#8217;t unidentified anymore.</p>
<p>A more important question is, why do so many people have such a difficult time distinguishing the difference between reality and fantasy?</p>
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		<title>By: Press to Digitate</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/08/23/ur-doin-it-wrong/#comment-9912</link>
		<dc:creator>Press to Digitate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reality of alien visition (flesh and blood extraterrestrial interstellar astronauts in nuts and bolts starships) is so thoroughly established by hard evidence at this point that its hardly subject to rational debate.

1. Hundreds of physical trace cases, many with electromagnetic, radiological, chemical, and microbiological residues that have been verified by independent laboratories, all remain, without alternative prosaic explanation.

2. Hundreds of former government and contractor employees, with verified Army, Navy, Air Force, NASA, CIA, DIA, and NSA credentials (i.e. dd214 forms that check out) have come forward, and testified under oath that they have personally worked inside the coverup, seen or handled physical evidence or official documents attesting to UFO reality, and that UFOs are, in fact, definately, extraterrestrial alien spacecraft.

3. Hundreds of abductees have come forward, exhibiting either physical evidence (surgical scars, radiological burns, or implanted devices) or with third-party eyewitnesses to their abductions, missing time, and/or returns, for which no hypnographic artifacts provide an alternative explanation.

4. There is no scientific reason to believe that we are alone in the universe, or even in the galaxy, or to doubt that older and wiser civilizations may have the technological power to visit us - and to do so discretely if they so chose. 

5. All 'official' explanations for Roswell, Rendlesham, Phoenix, and dozens of other high profile UFO cases have been conclusively debunked, leaving the alien reality the only plausible alternative.

6. While thousands of pages of government documents, both declassified and leaked, attest to official knowledge of UFOs as Alien spacecraft, there is none - as in Not One - which renders any discription of any other plausible source of such objects and observations.  No evidence exists in any form whatsoever that UFOs are Psychic, Interdimensional, Imaginary, Animals or other Life Forms, Manifestations of Gods/Demons, or anything other than nuts-and-bolts transportation equipment not of human origin.

7. There is no evidence that humans are subject to "mass delusion", or that any such phenomenon exists, as this is not observed in any context other than as proffered to explain UFO sightings by multiple witnesses. The notion that 'Mass Delusion' occurs at all is crank psychology with no basis in empirical scientific psychoanalytic fact.

8. Until Tangible Proof can be put forward to advance a theory for [prosaically unexplained] UFOs apart from the "Extra-Terrestrial Hypothesis", the ETH will have to stand as - by far - the best documented explanation we have for the millions of sightings reported each year worldwide. Interdimensional Ghosts, etc. will have to wait their turn behind the flying saucers that multiple retired Colonels have 'kicked the tires' of, and sworn to.

9. The ENTIRE theoretical opposition to ETH rests on the [now discredited] notion of 20th Century physics that "Nothing - not even Information - can travel faster than the Speed of Light". In the 21st Century, we know that this primitive niave dictum was drivel. Beethoven has been transmitted at speeds of 300x "c", Quantum Entanglement has telecommunicated data instantaneously over 15 km., Molecules of hundreds of atoms have been 'teleported' with zero delay, and NASA's own Breakthrough Physics program has invested in new physics approaches to hyperluminal propulsion.  Morover, "C" has been shown, in a dozen different laboratories, to be variable and not a true 'Constant'; cosmology now admits that it has also changed  over time.  Light Barrier?  BUNK!

10. Which is more likely, that millions of witnesses, thousands of abductees/contactees, hundreds of ex government spooks, and dozens of lab reports are all 'imagined', or that UFOs are exactly what everybody says they are?

Lets move on, to the far more important question:  What are they doing here in the first place, and what is so important that it must be kept secret at ANY cost (its surely not their mere presence)???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reality of alien visition (flesh and blood extraterrestrial interstellar astronauts in nuts and bolts starships) is so thoroughly established by hard evidence at this point that its hardly subject to rational debate.</p>
<p>1. Hundreds of physical trace cases, many with electromagnetic, radiological, chemical, and microbiological residues that have been verified by independent laboratories, all remain, without alternative prosaic explanation.</p>
<p>2. Hundreds of former government and contractor employees, with verified Army, Navy, Air Force, NASA, CIA, DIA, and NSA credentials (i.e. dd214 forms that check out) have come forward, and testified under oath that they have personally worked inside the coverup, seen or handled physical evidence or official documents attesting to UFO reality, and that UFOs are, in fact, definately, extraterrestrial alien spacecraft.</p>
<p>3. Hundreds of abductees have come forward, exhibiting either physical evidence (surgical scars, radiological burns, or implanted devices) or with third-party eyewitnesses to their abductions, missing time, and/or returns, for which no hypnographic artifacts provide an alternative explanation.</p>
<p>4. There is no scientific reason to believe that we are alone in the universe, or even in the galaxy, or to doubt that older and wiser civilizations may have the technological power to visit us - and to do so discretely if they so chose. </p>
<p>5. All &#8216;official&#8217; explanations for Roswell, Rendlesham, Phoenix, and dozens of other high profile UFO cases have been conclusively debunked, leaving the alien reality the only plausible alternative.</p>
<p>6. While thousands of pages of government documents, both declassified and leaked, attest to official knowledge of UFOs as Alien spacecraft, there is none - as in Not One - which renders any discription of any other plausible source of such objects and observations.  No evidence exists in any form whatsoever that UFOs are Psychic, Interdimensional, Imaginary, Animals or other Life Forms, Manifestations of Gods/Demons, or anything other than nuts-and-bolts transportation equipment not of human origin.</p>
<p>7. There is no evidence that humans are subject to &#8220;mass delusion&#8221;, or that any such phenomenon exists, as this is not observed in any context other than as proffered to explain UFO sightings by multiple witnesses. The notion that &#8216;Mass Delusion&#8217; occurs at all is crank psychology with no basis in empirical scientific psychoanalytic fact.</p>
<p>8. Until Tangible Proof can be put forward to advance a theory for [prosaically unexplained] UFOs apart from the &#8220;Extra-Terrestrial Hypothesis&#8221;, the ETH will have to stand as - by far - the best documented explanation we have for the millions of sightings reported each year worldwide. Interdimensional Ghosts, etc. will have to wait their turn behind the flying saucers that multiple retired Colonels have &#8216;kicked the tires&#8217; of, and sworn to.</p>
<p>9. The ENTIRE theoretical opposition to ETH rests on the [now discredited] notion of 20th Century physics that &#8220;Nothing - not even Information - can travel faster than the Speed of Light&#8221;. In the 21st Century, we know that this primitive niave dictum was drivel. Beethoven has been transmitted at speeds of 300x &#8220;c&#8221;, Quantum Entanglement has telecommunicated data instantaneously over 15 km., Molecules of hundreds of atoms have been &#8216;teleported&#8217; with zero delay, and NASA&#8217;s own Breakthrough Physics program has invested in new physics approaches to hyperluminal propulsion.  Morover, &#8220;C&#8221; has been shown, in a dozen different laboratories, to be variable and not a true &#8216;Constant&#8217;; cosmology now admits that it has also changed  over time.  Light Barrier?  BUNK!</p>
<p>10. Which is more likely, that millions of witnesses, thousands of abductees/contactees, hundreds of ex government spooks, and dozens of lab reports are all &#8216;imagined&#8217;, or that UFOs are exactly what everybody says they are?</p>
<p>Lets move on, to the far more important question:  What are they doing here in the first place, and what is so important that it must be kept secret at ANY cost (its surely not their mere presence)???</p>
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		<title>By: duane639</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/08/23/ur-doin-it-wrong/#comment-9911</link>
		<dc:creator>duane639</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sage,
If you're unwilling to even acknowledge the numerous trace evidence reports, why do you post on a forum like this. I hate it when someone claims to know the answers but completely ignores EVIDENCE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sage,<br />
If you&#8217;re unwilling to even acknowledge the numerous trace evidence reports, why do you post on a forum like this. I hate it when someone claims to know the answers but completely ignores EVIDENCE.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/08/23/ur-doin-it-wrong/#comment-9899</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>curious,

Sometimes people also jump to accurate conclusions.

I agree with you that it is interesting to speculate and debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>curious,</p>
<p>Sometimes people also jump to accurate conclusions.</p>
<p>I agree with you that it is interesting to speculate and debate.</p>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/08/23/ur-doin-it-wrong/#comment-9891</link>
		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK now he's switching to Russian's discovering our ionosphere technology -- yeah that's my "Actual Matrix Plan" expose nonduality.com/hempel.htm CIA's Andrija Puharich -- human brainwaves are in synch with ionosphere resonance and the plan is to tap the human brain for a new Matrix spacetime machine as the whole planet....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK now he&#8217;s switching to Russian&#8217;s discovering our ionosphere technology &#8212; yeah that&#8217;s my &#8220;Actual Matrix Plan&#8221; expose nonduality.com/hempel.htm CIA&#8217;s Andrija Puharich &#8212; human brainwaves are in synch with ionosphere resonance and the plan is to tap the human brain for a new Matrix spacetime machine as the whole planet&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/08/23/ur-doin-it-wrong/#comment-9890</link>
		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick Cook's "Alien History of the Planet" documentary on the History Channel right now is actually pretty good -- lots on the Nazi stuff and Cold War propaganda.  He's fixated on the U2 though....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick Cook&#8217;s &#8220;Alien History of the Planet&#8221; documentary on the History Channel right now is actually pretty good &#8212; lots on the Nazi stuff and Cold War propaganda.  He&#8217;s fixated on the U2 though&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: curious</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/08/23/ur-doin-it-wrong/#comment-9889</link>
		<dc:creator>curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew,

Maybe we are the machines?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew,</p>
<p>Maybe we are the machines?</p>
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		<title>By: curious</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/08/23/ur-doin-it-wrong/#comment-9888</link>
		<dc:creator>curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sage,

Sometimes people jump to inaccurate conclusions because they do not have all the facts to consider.  Some people don't even realize they don't have all the facts.

However, it is interesting to speculate and debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sage,</p>
<p>Sometimes people jump to inaccurate conclusions because they do not have all the facts to consider.  Some people don&#8217;t even realize they don&#8217;t have all the facts.</p>
<p>However, it is interesting to speculate and debate.</p>
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		<title>By: craig york</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/08/23/ur-doin-it-wrong/#comment-9887</link>
		<dc:creator>craig york</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can appreciate a reasonable answer.
 I disagree with your final posistion,
 but thats a given. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can appreciate a reasonable answer.<br />
 I disagree with your final posistion,<br />
 but thats a given. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/08/23/ur-doin-it-wrong/#comment-9886</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Why require a guess? Why not simply give Curious your answer?"

I require a guess because Curious required that I choose my answer from one of only three scenarios, all of which required me to insult him. Clearly Curious wasn't looking for an answer, but looking to set me up. And now, what about yourself? Are you going to require me to judge Curious, instead of remaining objective in my pursuit of truth? I am sorry then, but I respectfully decline. Yet you have offered me some bait, and I feel inclined to at least take a nibble...

Curious claims to have had an experience, but without evidence, it is only a claim -- and a claim of a phenomena is not evidence of the phenomena being claimed. Anyone can claim anything they feel like claiming -- and they do, especially when it comes to UFOs. There are over 10,000 claims of UFO sightings/encounters every year, yet not one of them is provable, logically indisputable, or leaves any trace physical evidence behind. This has been true of every year's worth of sightings for the last 100 years. So whatever this phenomenon is, it isn't physically real, but only exists in their minds, and the only kinds of things that only exists in people's minds and not in actual reality are illusions, delusions, and hallucinations. That is true for everybody who has ever had a UFO sighting/encounter, including the one by Curious. It is not an insult or a judgment, it is human nature -- everybody does it at one time or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why require a guess? Why not simply give Curious your answer?&#8221;</p>
<p>I require a guess because Curious required that I choose my answer from one of only three scenarios, all of which required me to insult him. Clearly Curious wasn&#8217;t looking for an answer, but looking to set me up. And now, what about yourself? Are you going to require me to judge Curious, instead of remaining objective in my pursuit of truth? I am sorry then, but I respectfully decline. Yet you have offered me some bait, and I feel inclined to at least take a nibble&#8230;</p>
<p>Curious claims to have had an experience, but without evidence, it is only a claim &#8212; and a claim of a phenomena is not evidence of the phenomena being claimed. Anyone can claim anything they feel like claiming &#8212; and they do, especially when it comes to UFOs. There are over 10,000 claims of UFO sightings/encounters every year, yet not one of them is provable, logically indisputable, or leaves any trace physical evidence behind. This has been true of every year&#8217;s worth of sightings for the last 100 years. So whatever this phenomenon is, it isn&#8217;t physically real, but only exists in their minds, and the only kinds of things that only exists in people&#8217;s minds and not in actual reality are illusions, delusions, and hallucinations. That is true for everybody who has ever had a UFO sighting/encounter, including the one by Curious. It is not an insult or a judgment, it is human nature &#8212; everybody does it at one time or another.</p>
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