Comments on: Contactees Tuning In To Themselves Tuning In To The “Other” http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/07/27/contactees-tuning-in-to-themselves-tuning-in-to-the-other/ UFO News, Views, and More Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:46:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Greg Bishop http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/07/27/contactees-tuning-in-to-themselves-tuning-in-to-the-other/#comment-10810 Greg Bishop Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:53:55 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=2027#comment-10810 Paige, Thanks for the supportive comment. I tend to believe that we project our own motives and a host of unconscious preconceptions onto the UFO subject. There are many other posts on the site about this. Paige,

Thanks for the supportive comment. I tend to believe that we project our own motives and a host of unconscious preconceptions onto the UFO subject. There are many other posts on the site about this.

]]> By: paigetheoracle http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/07/27/contactees-tuning-in-to-themselves-tuning-in-to-the-other/#comment-10807 paigetheoracle Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:46:05 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=2027#comment-10807 I agree with the above point. We should be listening and learning, rather than jumping up reactively to what we thought was meant, projecting our own interpretation upon the subject as we fight to maintain an identity that isn't relevant in this situation. Consciousness probably doesn't need any other motive but to learn something new for its own enjoyment. Hostile motives it seems ignore this. I agree with the above point. We should be listening and learning, rather than jumping up reactively to what we thought was meant, projecting our own interpretation upon the subject as we fight to maintain an identity that isn’t relevant in this situation. Consciousness probably doesn’t need any other motive but to learn something new for its own enjoyment. Hostile motives it seems ignore this.

]]> By: Greg Bishop http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/07/27/contactees-tuning-in-to-themselves-tuning-in-to-the-other/#comment-9618 Greg Bishop Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:34:11 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=2027#comment-9618 Curious, I think the communication comes about as a garbled message "picked up" by some human minds, but overlaid with so much personal, cultural, and evolutional noise that we can't entirely grasp what the original intent was, and may not be able to yet. It might range from something like that all the way to real messages from real "aliens," but I somehow think that it's closer to the gobbledygook I described. Curious,

I think the communication comes about as a garbled message “picked up” by some human minds, but overlaid with so much personal, cultural, and evolutional noise that we can’t entirely grasp what the original intent was, and may not be able to yet.

It might range from something like that all the way to real messages from real “aliens,” but I somehow think that it’s closer to the gobbledygook I described.

]]> By: curious http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/07/27/contactees-tuning-in-to-themselves-tuning-in-to-the-other/#comment-9615 curious Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:30:29 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=2027#comment-9615 Greg and All, Sorry for missing the point. Greg and All,

Sorry for missing the point.

]]> By: Greg Bishop http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/07/27/contactees-tuning-in-to-themselves-tuning-in-to-the-other/#comment-9613 Greg Bishop Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:03:16 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=2027#comment-9613 What I was trying to do in the this post (and in many other posts) is disabuse readers of the "aliens coming from other planets" idea and replace it with speculation about non-human intelligence with no particular origin. There MAY be intelligences from other planets communicating with us (or appearing to) but locking ourselves into what is basically the ETH seems limiting. My current idea is that there is probably some sort of contact with other consciousness, but the source of the messages may be from beings (or minds) who have opted out of the physical method of existence, or spend part of their time in a place where time and space are not relevant. What I was trying to do in the this post (and in many other posts) is disabuse readers of the “aliens coming from other planets” idea and replace it with speculation about non-human intelligence with no particular origin.

There MAY be intelligences from other planets communicating with us (or appearing to) but locking ourselves into what is basically the ETH seems limiting.

My current idea is that there is probably some sort of contact with other consciousness, but the source of the messages may be from beings (or minds) who have opted out of the physical method of existence, or spend part of their time in a place where time and space are not relevant.

]]> By: red pill junkie http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/07/27/contactees-tuning-in-to-themselves-tuning-in-to-the-other/#comment-9611 red pill junkie Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:59:58 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=2027#comment-9611 PS: Sorry for not including that I was referring to the interview made with Mac on Radio Misterioso last Sunday. I usre wish this site had a "preview" button instead of just the "submit comment" one. PS: Sorry for not including that I was referring to the interview made with Mac on Radio Misterioso last Sunday. I usre wish this site had a “preview” button instead of just the “submit comment” one.

]]> By: red pill junkie http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/07/27/contactees-tuning-in-to-themselves-tuning-in-to-the-other/#comment-9610 red pill junkie Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:58:12 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=2027#comment-9610 The post as well as the above comments have all valid points. However, I can't help to suspect that Mac Tonnies had a good lead in his theorizing that, for a truly superior intelligence, there would be no ultimate purpose in the Universe but to help increase the consciousness of sentient beings. Maybe those concepts are not "hip" nowadays because we prefer to think of the phenomenon in terms of the Keelian "Trickster" that only seeks its personal gain when addressing us lowly humans. But, returning to Tonnies and his use of the metaphor of the cat chasing the laser dot, if the "other" is using the laser as a way to deceive us and receive a pleasure out of it, that doesn't mean it's so bad from the cat's POV! ;-) The post as well as the above comments have all valid points.

However, I can’t help to suspect that Mac Tonnies had a good lead in his theorizing that, for a truly superior intelligence, there would be no ultimate purpose in the Universe but to help increase the consciousness of sentient beings. Maybe those concepts are not “hip” nowadays because we prefer to think of the phenomenon in terms of the Keelian “Trickster” that only seeks its personal gain when addressing us lowly humans.

But, returning to Tonnies and his use of the metaphor of the cat chasing the laser dot, if the “other” is using the laser as a way to deceive us and receive a pleasure out of it, that doesn’t mean it’s so bad from the cat’s POV! ;-)

]]> By: crgintx http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/07/27/contactees-tuning-in-to-themselves-tuning-in-to-the-other/#comment-9609 crgintx Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:39:00 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=2027#comment-9609 IMHO we would have to be at least capable of star-travel before any race of capable of star faring would even consider us worthy of communications. Given the present state of space travel(as we know it), I'd guesstimate we're at a minimum of 50-100 years away from that. We have the drive technology(ion engines) but we don't have computing technology and energy technology. We'd need to reach 0.5C of half light speed to reach the next closest star system within a generation (20 years)and return. As of now, the Voyager probe might be just reaching the out edges of the solar system and we launched it over 30 years ago. As far as 'communication' with other races how about learning to speak with porpoise/dolphin/whales first. Their brains are likely even more sophisticated than ours given their environmental awareness. IMHO we would have to be at least capable of star-travel before any race of capable of star faring would even consider us worthy of communications. Given the present state of space travel(as we know it), I’d guesstimate we’re at a minimum of 50-100 years away from that. We have the drive technology(ion engines) but we don’t have computing technology and energy technology. We’d need to reach 0.5C of half light speed to reach the next closest star system within a generation (20 years)and return. As of now, the Voyager probe might be just reaching the out edges of the solar system and we launched it over 30 years ago. As far as ‘communication’ with other races how about learning to speak with porpoise/dolphin/whales first. Their brains are likely even more sophisticated than ours given their environmental awareness.

]]> By: curious http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/07/27/contactees-tuning-in-to-themselves-tuning-in-to-the-other/#comment-9604 curious Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:44:46 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=2027#comment-9604 Greg, I liked the image of the wind and sailors. In an interview with <i>Fate</i> magazine, Michio Kaku compared us (people) to ants beside a highway. The creators of the highway have no desire to communicate with the ants, and the ants cannot conceive of the meaning of the highway, or its creators. While I understand the analogy's goal is to compare the vast differences in intelligence between us and a possible "other," I can't help but wonder why such intelligent beings would not WANT communicate with us, if they are indeed so superior. In Kaku's comparison, not only is there no desire to communicate, there is no need to communicate as well. If an ant walks on to the highway and gets run over by a car, the driver, construction worker, and highway engineer could care less. If I could communicate with the ants around my kitchen sink, I would say, "Look, this situation isn't working, you belong outside. If you don't leave, I'm going to kill you." Whose fault is it I cannot communicate with ants? Mine, because I don't understand their language or theirs because they don't understand mine? Since I am "superior" to ants, then it is my fault, and it proves that I am not so smart after all. So, back to the radio analogy, are our "radios" too unsophisticated, or is the transmission too weak? Or maybe there is no real reason to communicate after all. Greg,

I liked the image of the wind and sailors.

In an interview with Fate magazine, Michio Kaku compared us (people) to ants beside a highway. The creators of the highway have no desire to communicate with the ants, and the ants cannot conceive of the meaning of the highway, or its creators.

While I understand the analogy’s goal is to compare the vast differences in intelligence between us and a possible “other,” I can’t help but wonder why such intelligent beings would not WANT communicate with us, if they are indeed so superior. In Kaku’s comparison, not only is there no desire to communicate, there is no need to communicate as well. If an ant walks on to the highway and gets run over by a car, the driver, construction worker, and highway engineer could care less.

If I could communicate with the ants around my kitchen sink, I would say, “Look, this situation isn’t working, you belong outside. If you don’t leave, I’m going to kill you.” Whose fault is it I cannot communicate with ants? Mine, because I don’t understand their language or theirs because they don’t understand mine? Since I am “superior” to ants, then it is my fault, and it proves that I am not so smart after all.

So, back to the radio analogy, are our “radios” too unsophisticated, or is the transmission too weak? Or maybe there is no real reason to communicate after all.

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