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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/04/29/roswell-what-happened/#comment-8866</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 22:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand your point now. You are correct.</description>
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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 22:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sage:

Maybe connection wasnt the right word.

What I meant was that (A) we have a clear location where we known the event occurred: the Foster Ranch (regardless of what actually came down, of course).

And (B) no, it's not at all impossible for aliens to look like us.

But (in my view) it's stretching credibility to suggest that aliens should have crashed where very similar-looking humans (as per the book in question above) have allegedly also been seen.

That was the point I was making.

So, the "connection" in question that I find stretching credibility is that in and around Roswell there were aliens and deformed humans who looked alike.  

It has to be one or the other. For it to be both, the odds would have to be...well...odd...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sage:</p>
<p>Maybe connection wasnt the right word.</p>
<p>What I meant was that (A) we have a clear location where we known the event occurred: the Foster Ranch (regardless of what actually came down, of course).</p>
<p>And (B) no, it&#8217;s not at all impossible for aliens to look like us.</p>
<p>But (in my view) it&#8217;s stretching credibility to suggest that aliens should have crashed where very similar-looking humans (as per the book in question above) have allegedly also been seen.</p>
<p>That was the point I was making.</p>
<p>So, the &#8220;connection&#8221; in question that I find stretching credibility is that in and around Roswell there were aliens and deformed humans who looked alike.  </p>
<p>It has to be one or the other. For it to be both, the odds would have to be&#8230;well&#8230;odd&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 19:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for such a late reply, but I was trying to decipher what you were trying to say, and I still can't figure it out. What in the world does "a clearly-delineated location connection" mean?

If an ET-piloted vehicle were to crash land on Earth, I would fully expect them to be humanoid-like, due to the reasons cited earlier. As for location, it is not physically impossible for ETs to crash land at Roswell, or anywhere else for that matter. One location is just as random as any other. So what is being "delineated" by a crash landing at Roswell? Exactly what kind of "connection" is being established by a crash landing at Roswell?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for such a late reply, but I was trying to decipher what you were trying to say, and I still can&#8217;t figure it out. What in the world does &#8220;a clearly-delineated location connection&#8221; mean?</p>
<p>If an ET-piloted vehicle were to crash land on Earth, I would fully expect them to be humanoid-like, due to the reasons cited earlier. As for location, it is not physically impossible for ETs to crash land at Roswell, or anywhere else for that matter. One location is just as random as any other. So what is being &#8220;delineated&#8221; by a crash landing at Roswell? Exactly what kind of &#8220;connection&#8221; is being established by a crash landing at Roswell?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/04/29/roswell-what-happened/#comment-8795</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sage:

I actually agree with you re the potential appearance. 

But, as you'll see from the extract of my post you quoted, my comment was not specifically directed to the appearance of the aliens, but rather to the scenario of aliens who look like this crashing in the SAME LOCATION as humans looking like this.

That was my point about things being "slim to zero" - namely, even if aliens did look like this, is it really likely they would crash in the same place where similar-looking humans were housed?

That's what I find stretching credibility - not so much that they might look like us to a degree, but that there should be such a clearly-delineated location connection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sage:</p>
<p>I actually agree with you re the potential appearance. </p>
<p>But, as you&#8217;ll see from the extract of my post you quoted, my comment was not specifically directed to the appearance of the aliens, but rather to the scenario of aliens who look like this crashing in the SAME LOCATION as humans looking like this.</p>
<p>That was my point about things being &#8220;slim to zero&#8221; - namely, even if aliens did look like this, is it really likely they would crash in the same place where similar-looking humans were housed?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I find stretching credibility - not so much that they might look like us to a degree, but that there should be such a clearly-delineated location connection.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"However, I’m inclined to ask: what are the chances of aliens from some far-off world (with large heads, small ears, and dwarfish bodies) turning up in the same location as human-beings seemingly exhibiting similar characteristics? Personally, I’d say the chances are slim to zero…"

You can say that personally but you can't say that scientifically. Evolution has rules and laws like any other natural phenomenon, rules like "form fits function" or laws like "life specifically adapts to environmentally imposed demands". Then there is Convergent Evolution and Constructal Theory which go into detail about this very thing. For example, fish on other planets would very much most likely look like fish on this planet. The fish shape is the most efficient and simplest shape for liquid environments. So is the way they move. Even behaviors like migration or herding are determined by environmental forces. What are the requirements for intelligent life? There are certain requirements for sentience to develop and four of them are:

1) Grasping hands with opposable thumbs,
2) Medium sized bodies,
3) Curiosity, and
4) Being very mobile

Why? Because...

1) Grasping hands are *essential* for the delicate development of tools and the subsequent use of those tools,
2) Delicate hands imply a delicate creature that is neither too big (and clumsy) or so small that its body cannot support a large enough brain, and
3) A keen since of curiosity will encourage the development of more intelligence since observation is one of the first steps of learning.
4) Bipedal locomotion allowed humans greater mobility and the ability to move to varied climates and environment that their curiosity could take them to, and subsequently where they could learn more and increase their IQ

Wouldn't those requirements be the same for any other intelligent being? Yes they would. Convergent Evolution Theory is based on the observation that even in evolution, similar problems have similar solutions. Similar functions result in similar solution or fit, which in return lead to similar appearance or form. So the odds are extremely likely that ET, while not an exact copy of  humans, will be humanoid in appearance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, I’m inclined to ask: what are the chances of aliens from some far-off world (with large heads, small ears, and dwarfish bodies) turning up in the same location as human-beings seemingly exhibiting similar characteristics? Personally, I’d say the chances are slim to zero…&#8221;</p>
<p>You can say that personally but you can&#8217;t say that scientifically. Evolution has rules and laws like any other natural phenomenon, rules like &#8220;form fits function&#8221; or laws like &#8220;life specifically adapts to environmentally imposed demands&#8221;. Then there is Convergent Evolution and Constructal Theory which go into detail about this very thing. For example, fish on other planets would very much most likely look like fish on this planet. The fish shape is the most efficient and simplest shape for liquid environments. So is the way they move. Even behaviors like migration or herding are determined by environmental forces. What are the requirements for intelligent life? There are certain requirements for sentience to develop and four of them are:</p>
<p>1) Grasping hands with opposable thumbs,<br />
2) Medium sized bodies,<br />
3) Curiosity, and<br />
4) Being very mobile</p>
<p>Why? Because&#8230;</p>
<p>1) Grasping hands are *essential* for the delicate development of tools and the subsequent use of those tools,<br />
2) Delicate hands imply a delicate creature that is neither too big (and clumsy) or so small that its body cannot support a large enough brain, and<br />
3) A keen since of curiosity will encourage the development of more intelligence since observation is one of the first steps of learning.<br />
4) Bipedal locomotion allowed humans greater mobility and the ability to move to varied climates and environment that their curiosity could take them to, and subsequently where they could learn more and increase their IQ</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t those requirements be the same for any other intelligent being? Yes they would. Convergent Evolution Theory is based on the observation that even in evolution, similar problems have similar solutions. Similar functions result in similar solution or fit, which in return lead to similar appearance or form. So the odds are extremely likely that ET, while not an exact copy of  humans, will be humanoid in appearance.</p>
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		<title>By: mheiser</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/04/29/roswell-what-happened/#comment-8789</link>
		<dc:creator>mheiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick - no surprise I am in agreement with you.  You should also be aware of a book called Learning from the Light by John Lerma M.D., a hospice physician in Houston. In Chapter 6, "Roswell" he relates a deathbed story from a Colonel "Marshall Bradfield" who was with Mac Brazell, a friend of his military father, right after the crash.  He discovered that this was Paperclip related, not an alien saucer.  That story was "misinformation" he says. They did not want the public and the Russians to know that they had some advanced German technology.

Might be worth a look.

Are you going to be in Roswell this July?  If so, we should do lunch - mshmichaelsheiser@gmail.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick - no surprise I am in agreement with you.  You should also be aware of a book called Learning from the Light by John Lerma M.D., a hospice physician in Houston. In Chapter 6, &#8220;Roswell&#8221; he relates a deathbed story from a Colonel &#8220;Marshall Bradfield&#8221; who was with Mac Brazell, a friend of his military father, right after the crash.  He discovered that this was Paperclip related, not an alien saucer.  That story was &#8220;misinformation&#8221; he says. They did not want the public and the Russians to know that they had some advanced German technology.</p>
<p>Might be worth a look.</p>
<p>Are you going to be in Roswell this July?  If so, we should do lunch - <a href="mailto:mshmichaelsheiser@gmail.com">mshmichaelsheiser@gmail.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/04/29/roswell-what-happened/#comment-8787</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, The X-Files used the scenario as UFOs being a cover for down-to-earth conspiracies quite often. 

For a truly odd story, I recommend Googling the short-lived X-Files spin-off series: The Lone Gunmen, and particularly episode 1, which practically anticipated 9-11.

The episode deals with a terrorist attack on the WTCs by an aircraft slamming into one of them. But where the perpetrators are actually from within the government, using the attack s justification for invading certain Middle East countries who (in the words of one of the characters on the episode, are just begging to be smart-bombed).

But even for people who don't accept 9-11 conspiracy theories, the parallels in the episode are remarkable - and made more remarkable by the fact that the episode was made months before the Sep 11 attacks.

Funny that the mainstream media rarely comments on this.

You can find some clips (the relevant ones) online at various sites, where the aircraft is remotely taken out of the control of the pilots, and directed towards the WTC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, The X-Files used the scenario as UFOs being a cover for down-to-earth conspiracies quite often. </p>
<p>For a truly odd story, I recommend Googling the short-lived X-Files spin-off series: The Lone Gunmen, and particularly episode 1, which practically anticipated 9-11.</p>
<p>The episode deals with a terrorist attack on the WTCs by an aircraft slamming into one of them. But where the perpetrators are actually from within the government, using the attack s justification for invading certain Middle East countries who (in the words of one of the characters on the episode, are just begging to be smart-bombed).</p>
<p>But even for people who don&#8217;t accept 9-11 conspiracy theories, the parallels in the episode are remarkable - and made more remarkable by the fact that the episode was made months before the Sep 11 attacks.</p>
<p>Funny that the mainstream media rarely comments on this.</p>
<p>You can find some clips (the relevant ones) online at various sites, where the aircraft is remotely taken out of the control of the pilots, and directed towards the WTC.</p>
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		<title>By: tyder001</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn't there an old X Files episode with a similar plot? I'm a long time fan of the show and I actually seem to remember something like this as a plot line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t there an old X Files episode with a similar plot? I&#8217;m a long time fan of the show and I actually seem to remember something like this as a plot line.</p>
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