Comments on: How Should “Disclosure” Be Handled?

By: barbh

barbh — Sat, 02 May 2009 21:38:41 +0000

“Perhaps the best way to go about an open release of official UFO files would be to treat it as a political game rather than a protest movement.”

I wonder if this preposterous flu epidemic story is a dry run to see how people will react to a scary story, i.e. extra terrestrials about to reveal themselves. Maybe the game has begun and the ball is in our court.
My guess is that people will be interested for two days then go back to watching American Idol.

By: Greg Bishop

Greg Bishop — Fri, 01 May 2009 15:05:45 +0000

rlsalas,

I agree that there is compelling evidence that the government (or private companies with contracts) have UFO information, and have done their best to stall and obfuscate. I also agree that they have their own ideas about what is going on.

What I don’t think they know is how to deal with the problem, and that is what is keeping the information locked up. This is what I meant by “ignorance.”

It is probable that they also believe that any release of their information would change so many things in our belief structure that it is not worth the trouble to admit that they believe that there is some sort of non-human presence. It would involve a major shift in religious, scientific, and political philosophy.

I will admit that my belief structure informs my opinions, which is that the ET Hypothesis is not proven, it is simply a theory. People in positions with the best information available may have come to this conclusion as well. If they aren’t exactly sure what is happening, or how to control it, what good reason is there (from their point of view) to admit this?

It is also a convenient subject to use as a counterintelligence tool.

By: rlsalas

rlsalas — Fri, 01 May 2009 11:48:48 +0000

I agree on two points but not on one. I agree that the PRG Disclosure Project effort is (for many reasons)a seriously mis-guided approach. I also agree that government officials may not now have access to the information or a means to obtain it. I do not agree, however, that there is nothing to tell. If there was not some real knowledge of the phenomenon to hide, why did Blue Book make a concerted effort to do nothing to investigate many significant, viable incidents? Why was there such obvious collusion between the USAF and the Condon Committee to whitewash the whole subject? I do not believe the military is not deeply interested in following up on any and every unknown object flying in our skies and especially around military installations. They may not have a complete story and answers to every question, but you can bet that they have come to some conclusions and have and continue to have a back-engineering program. There is, I am convinced, a repositiory organization for the information (and hardware) they have gathered over the years. The two primary reasons for “disclosure” are still there. One - none of us want an exo-government secret cabal working with and taking advantage of this accumulated knowledge without oversight from the public. Two - none of us want secret negotiations with what is likely an ET presence without public input.

By: drew hempel

drew hempel — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:56:55 +0000

Disclosure is a straw-man argument to the extreme. Very similar to the Time Square preachers demanding that we all release Satan from our souls — but then Reagan and Bush are secretly hanging out with Jesus aka the alien-angel who will save AmeriKKKa.

By: The_Sage

The_Sage — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:33:03 +0000

Dont’ forget that this all presumes that there is something to disclose, and there is no evidence for that.

By: m4ever

m4ever — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:57:37 +0000

Greg,

We are in agreement - disclosure is NOT near.

Rick Phillips
Ufo Disclosure Countdown Clock

By: craig york

craig york — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:27:57 +0000

…as long as its not a Vogon Constructor ship, Adam.

I tend to agree with Greg and Nick that
if the goverment is concealing anything,
its ignorance, not knowledge.

By: Adam Gorightly

Adam Gorightly — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:01:07 +0000

Well, Bassett claimed in the post X-Conference press conference that he had something to force their hand and it would all come down in May, that Obama’s hand would be forced and Disclosure will rock…of course, we’ve heard such proclamations before. Every decade has a new UFO disclosure champion, so I’m not holding my breath. Disclosure, as you note, will come not from the hand of man, but by some undeniable something right in our face…we have no idea what that something might be…

By: Greg Bishop

Greg Bishop — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:00:52 +0000

RPJ,

I’m not sure. Personal scandal as a threat? The fear that someone may reveal something convincing before they do?

Both of these are not likely, though. If you have been in on many official secrets for a long time, you’ve probably had a microscope pointed up your behind for many years–”vetted” as they say. As for the fear that someone may beat you to the punch, that would have happened already. I’m afraid that anything coming from insiders playing games with each other will need to rely on someone who takes a revelation of non-human intelligence more seriously than their secrecy oaths and personal image.

The phenomenon makes its own deniability by its very nature, and ours.

By: red pill junkie

red pill junkie — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:45:00 +0000

“There are no extenuating circumstances to force their hand.”

What kind of ‘extenuating forces’ can you imagine, Greg?