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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/04/03/ufo-skeptics-caught-admit-to-hoax/#comment-9550</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I'm not making my point clear, so let me restate it in different words...

The date on the report is March 15th, not January 15th, which isn't a couple of hours after-the-fact but a couple of months after-the-fact. If there was enough evidence to draw any scientifically valid conclusions within hours of the event, why wait until March 15th before releasing it? That doesn't make sense and besides, the required evidence to draw any valid conclusion wasn't available within hours of the event, so any claims made within hours of the event wouldn't have been an "investigation" but jumping to conclusions, which is not a very scientific thing to do either.

But like I said before, who cares what the report said, since what we care about is what MUFON, the entire organization as a whole said, not what only one of its investigators said. The only verifiable public evidence we have is that MUFON promoted or stood behind any report wasn't until after the confession on April 1st.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m not making my point clear, so let me restate it in different words&#8230;</p>
<p>The date on the report is March 15th, not January 15th, which isn&#8217;t a couple of hours after-the-fact but a couple of months after-the-fact. If there was enough evidence to draw any scientifically valid conclusions within hours of the event, why wait until March 15th before releasing it? That doesn&#8217;t make sense and besides, the required evidence to draw any valid conclusion wasn&#8217;t available within hours of the event, so any claims made within hours of the event wouldn&#8217;t have been an &#8220;investigation&#8221; but jumping to conclusions, which is not a very scientific thing to do either.</p>
<p>But like I said before, who cares what the report said, since what we care about is what MUFON, the entire organization as a whole said, not what only one of its investigators said. The only verifiable public evidence we have is that MUFON promoted or stood behind any report wasn&#8217;t until after the confession on April 1st.</p>
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		<title>By: fxmodels</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/04/03/ufo-skeptics-caught-admit-to-hoax/#comment-9095</link>
		<dc:creator>fxmodels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sage,
I dont know why it is important to you to point out a date difference in the case study. I already said quite clearly and with plenty of email records that the case was called a hoax within a few hours of the event. Simple. No other obfuscation of the facts can alter that. If it took time for paperwork to follow up, then whatever. But, the case was a hoax and stated as such within a few hours of the event. 
Marc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sage,<br />
I dont know why it is important to you to point out a date difference in the case study. I already said quite clearly and with plenty of email records that the case was called a hoax within a few hours of the event. Simple. No other obfuscation of the facts can alter that. If it took time for paperwork to follow up, then whatever. But, the case was a hoax and stated as such within a few hours of the event.<br />
Marc</p>
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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/04/03/ufo-skeptics-caught-admit-to-hoax/#comment-9017</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 20:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If anyone is interested in seeing a breakdown of my investigation, please refer to the UFO Examiner web site: http://www.examiner.com/x-2363-UFO-Examiner%7Ey2009m4d8-UFO"

...where you find that the title of the report was “MUFON STAR Team Case Study, ‘UFO Balloons,’ March 15, 2009″. It clearly states, "March 15th" and not "January 7th". And just because the report was released on Mar 15th still doesn't prove that MUFON accepted it as their official viewpoint. That didn't demonstrably happen until after Apr 1st.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If anyone is interested in seeing a breakdown of my investigation, please refer to the UFO Examiner web site: <a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-2363-UFO-Examiner%7Ey2009m4d8-UFO" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/x-2363-UFO-Examiner%7Ey2009m4d8-UFO</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;where you find that the title of the report was “MUFON STAR Team Case Study, ‘UFO Balloons,’ March 15, 2009″. It clearly states, &#8220;March 15th&#8221; and not &#8220;January 7th&#8221;. And just because the report was released on Mar 15th still doesn&#8217;t prove that MUFON accepted it as their official viewpoint. That didn&#8217;t demonstrably happen until after Apr 1st.</p>
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		<title>By: fxmodels</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/04/03/ufo-skeptics-caught-admit-to-hoax/#comment-8805</link>
		<dc:creator>fxmodels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg,
In my experience, I have seen that MUFON chapters have occasionally missed some data and reports. It means nothing that they invited the hoaxers to speak other than they did not know that the case was solved months earlier. It happens. Each states' groups have historically been independent in terms of presentations and speakers so it is not suprise that communication can sometimes lag a little. 
I have to say, I was quite surprised that this silly case perpetrated by two guys who have been prosecuted in fact, was able to garner the kind of attention it did. I had the video in my possession for a mere few hours and then it was gone, and I moved onto the next case. Just more fakers flying some flaming fun is all we figured. [grin]
NEXT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,<br />
In my experience, I have seen that MUFON chapters have occasionally missed some data and reports. It means nothing that they invited the hoaxers to speak other than they did not know that the case was solved months earlier. It happens. Each states&#8217; groups have historically been independent in terms of presentations and speakers so it is not suprise that communication can sometimes lag a little.<br />
I have to say, I was quite surprised that this silly case perpetrated by two guys who have been prosecuted in fact, was able to garner the kind of attention it did. I had the video in my possession for a mere few hours and then it was gone, and I moved onto the next case. Just more fakers flying some flaming fun is all we figured. [grin]<br />
NEXT!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/04/03/ufo-skeptics-caught-admit-to-hoax/#comment-8781</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristen and Marc,

Thank you so much for taking the time to comment here. I hope that this clears things up somewhat. It would make sense that it something was found to be a hoax that you would ignore it and move on.

I still wonder what made the Illinois MUFON chapter invite the hoaxers to speak (by telephone) to their meeting of Feb 21st, even after both of you had filed reports that called it correctly on January 7th? Perhaps the communication was not good, or the report was not posted yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristen and Marc,</p>
<p>Thank you so much for taking the time to comment here. I hope that this clears things up somewhat. It would make sense that it something was found to be a hoax that you would ignore it and move on.</p>
<p>I still wonder what made the Illinois MUFON chapter invite the hoaxers to speak (by telephone) to their meeting of Feb 21st, even after both of you had filed reports that called it correctly on January 7th? Perhaps the communication was not good, or the report was not posted yet?</p>
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		<title>By: fxmodels</title>
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		<dc:creator>fxmodels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gentlemen,
I am the MUFON analyst who reviewed the video just hours after the event. I had called it a hoax, detailed it to Richard Lang and the MUFON STAR team did their great work and found the debris and other details to seal the case. It was a straight forward case to me. I saw the video and called it as a I saw it. I sent the analysis on Jan 7 at 2:23am. So that is the official statement on record and the email record will verify it. 
I only visited this site after someone mentioned that I was being mentioned here. I saw one person's comments about my report as if it didnt really exist or that there was some hidden agenda. I am an analyst for MUFON and have hundreds of cases to look at. I have no reason to make one any more important than another. We stated it was a hoax plain and simple within just a few hrs after the event. Whatever anyone else did after that is just what it is that happened. I left this case behind months ago and have already seen no less than 200 cases since this one so it really ancient history...
Thanks,
Marc D'Antonio
MUFON Photo Analyst</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gentlemen,<br />
I am the MUFON analyst who reviewed the video just hours after the event. I had called it a hoax, detailed it to Richard Lang and the MUFON STAR team did their great work and found the debris and other details to seal the case. It was a straight forward case to me. I saw the video and called it as a I saw it. I sent the analysis on Jan 7 at 2:23am. So that is the official statement on record and the email record will verify it.<br />
I only visited this site after someone mentioned that I was being mentioned here. I saw one person&#8217;s comments about my report as if it didnt really exist or that there was some hidden agenda. I am an analyst for MUFON and have hundreds of cases to look at. I have no reason to make one any more important than another. We stated it was a hoax plain and simple within just a few hrs after the event. Whatever anyone else did after that is just what it is that happened. I left this case behind months ago and have already seen no less than 200 cases since this one so it really ancient history&#8230;<br />
Thanks,<br />
Marc D&#8217;Antonio<br />
MUFON Photo Analyst</p>
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		<title>By: kristenwinslet</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/04/03/ufo-skeptics-caught-admit-to-hoax/#comment-8776</link>
		<dc:creator>kristenwinslet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

Good day to all of you.

I am the MUFON Field Investigator that investigated this case on the ground in eastern Morris County, N.J. on January 7, 2009, (My MUFON membership number is 11236).

While my initial reaction from the CBS News report that was broadcast the preceding evening on the six O'clock news was that these were flares attached to balloons, (the incident reminder me of the Phoenix, AZ case a few years back). None the less, I proceeded to perform my investigation objectively as any field investigator should.

I wrote my report the following day, January 8, 2009 after conferring with Marc Dantonio on the evening of January 7, 2009, (MUFON's Photo Analyst) that this case was nothing more than incendiary devices attached to balloons.

It was not until after the February 7th incident that I was clued into looking at the Wikipedia web page called 'Morristown UFO' after my partner Matt Wilson, (whom I address as Mulder) provided me with that information as part of his research. It was here that I concluded that it was Joe Rudy and Chris Russo who perpetrated the hoax events. The only video on the site was provided by Joe Rudy and within the text of the web page, it was noted that Joe &#38; Chris took video &#38; still shots of the January 5th incident. They were obviously prepared to document the event. It was at that moment that I was able to 'connect all the dots' from my investigation and conclude Joe &#38; Chris were the hoaxers.

I then completed my PowerPoint document on March 15, 2009 for historical record. the first event actually took place on September 13, 2008 in Bernardsville, NJ (MUFON CMS Case# 12461). Feel free to take a look at the case if you like.

If anyone is interested in seeing a breakdown of my investigation, please refer to the UFO Examiner web site:

http://www.examiner.com/x-2363-UFO-Examiner%7Ey2009m4d8-UFO


You are also more than welcome to contact me via e-mail or by phone for further information.


Sincerely,

Kristen Winslet
MUFON Field Investigator - NJ
(STAR Team/SIP Project)

(908) 852-7201 (H)
(908) 914-6508 (C)

kristenwinslet@aol.com

www.linkedin.com/in/kristenwinslet


* No one contacted me from the news media prior to April 6, 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>Good day to all of you.</p>
<p>I am the MUFON Field Investigator that investigated this case on the ground in eastern Morris County, N.J. on January 7, 2009, (My MUFON membership number is 11236).</p>
<p>While my initial reaction from the CBS News report that was broadcast the preceding evening on the six O&#8217;clock news was that these were flares attached to balloons, (the incident reminder me of the Phoenix, AZ case a few years back). None the less, I proceeded to perform my investigation objectively as any field investigator should.</p>
<p>I wrote my report the following day, January 8, 2009 after conferring with Marc Dantonio on the evening of January 7, 2009, (MUFON&#8217;s Photo Analyst) that this case was nothing more than incendiary devices attached to balloons.</p>
<p>It was not until after the February 7th incident that I was clued into looking at the Wikipedia web page called &#8216;Morristown UFO&#8217; after my partner Matt Wilson, (whom I address as Mulder) provided me with that information as part of his research. It was here that I concluded that it was Joe Rudy and Chris Russo who perpetrated the hoax events. The only video on the site was provided by Joe Rudy and within the text of the web page, it was noted that Joe &amp; Chris took video &amp; still shots of the January 5th incident. They were obviously prepared to document the event. It was at that moment that I was able to &#8216;connect all the dots&#8217; from my investigation and conclude Joe &amp; Chris were the hoaxers.</p>
<p>I then completed my PowerPoint document on March 15, 2009 for historical record. the first event actually took place on September 13, 2008 in Bernardsville, NJ (MUFON CMS Case# 12461). Feel free to take a look at the case if you like.</p>
<p>If anyone is interested in seeing a breakdown of my investigation, please refer to the UFO Examiner web site:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-2363-UFO-Examiner%7Ey2009m4d8-UFO" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/x-2363-UFO-Examiner%7Ey2009m4d8-UFO</a></p>
<p>You are also more than welcome to contact me via e-mail or by phone for further information.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Kristen Winslet<br />
MUFON Field Investigator - NJ<br />
(STAR Team/SIP Project)</p>
<p>(908) 852-7201 (H)<br />
(908) 914-6508 (C)</p>
<p><a href="mailto:kristenwinslet@aol.com">kristenwinslet@aol.com</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/kristenwinslet" rel="nofollow">http://www.linkedin.com/in/kristenwinslet</a></p>
<p>* No one contacted me from the news media prior to April 6, 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/04/03/ufo-skeptics-caught-admit-to-hoax/#comment-8771</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PSS -- I forgot to add...

And MUFON apparently did not endorse that report either, until after the hoaxers came forward to confess on Apr 1st, 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PSS &#8212; I forgot to add&#8230;</p>
<p>And MUFON apparently did not endorse that report either, until after the hoaxers came forward to confess on Apr 1st, 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/04/03/ufo-skeptics-caught-admit-to-hoax/#comment-8770</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS -- I read the report and guess what? The title of the report was "MUFON STAR Team Case Study, 'UFO Balloons,' March 15, 2009". So much for the claim that MUFON got it correct on Jan 7th, 2009.

I rest my case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS &#8212; I read the report and guess what? The title of the report was &#8220;MUFON STAR Team Case Study, &#8216;UFO Balloons,&#8217; March 15, 2009&#8243;. So much for the claim that MUFON got it correct on Jan 7th, 2009.</p>
<p>I rest my case.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/04/03/ufo-skeptics-caught-admit-to-hoax/#comment-8758</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If you will provide me with the quotes of the three people you mentioned in the UFO Hoaxers thread"

Get off your lazy butt and do your own homework for once. I gave you three names and that is all the information you need. It is easy enough to look up what these people said about the Morristown Hoax and quote them yourself. If I am making up those names, where did I and all those newspapers articles get those names if they hadn't publically came out and made statements? Don't be shy, just come out and clearly say that the names I mentioned never said anything that can be quoted in regards to the Morristown Hoax. Bill Birnes is a lawyer with a PhD and has written numerous books on UFOs, including Roswell, and is an expert on UFOs, so he would be the perfect person for you to deny. I will not mind exposing your ignorance for all the world to see, so feel free to speak out. So either do your own homework or stop being ambigious and deny that the three people I mentioned ever made any public statements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you will provide me with the quotes of the three people you mentioned in the UFO Hoaxers thread&#8221;</p>
<p>Get off your lazy butt and do your own homework for once. I gave you three names and that is all the information you need. It is easy enough to look up what these people said about the Morristown Hoax and quote them yourself. If I am making up those names, where did I and all those newspapers articles get those names if they hadn&#8217;t publically came out and made statements? Don&#8217;t be shy, just come out and clearly say that the names I mentioned never said anything that can be quoted in regards to the Morristown Hoax. Bill Birnes is a lawyer with a PhD and has written numerous books on UFOs, including Roswell, and is an expert on UFOs, so he would be the perfect person for you to deny. I will not mind exposing your ignorance for all the world to see, so feel free to speak out. So either do your own homework or stop being ambigious and deny that the three people I mentioned ever made any public statements.</p>
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