Don’t be so presumptuous.

“So maybe those tulpas discussed above is some sort of day dreaming, where somone externalize their dreams in the conscious reality of others”

That isn’t what was being discussed. What was being discussed was the link between mind and matter. That link can occur when dreaming or when awake. Of course, if Tulpas only appeared when we were dreaming, they would be personal instead of collective. If Tulpas occurred when we were day dreaming, they would be conscious ideas that made sense instead of unconscious ideas that don’t make sense.

“Anyway, my point was that maybe when you join your subconscious desires with your waking consciousness, then something new arises”

Then again, maybe not.

“And we come back to one of the most basic elements of the abduction phenomenon: the triad. The union of two opposite forces through a third element that gives balance and creates something new”

The mind does not create balance but imbalance. Opposite extremes wouldn’t exist if the mind were prone to balance instead of imbalance.

Yes, but I think we can all agree that the events told by abductees are happening in a state different than dreaming; at least, normal dreaming.

So maybe those tulpas discussed above is some sort of day dreaming, where somone externalize their dreams in the conscious reality of others.

Anyway, my point was that maybe when you join your subconscious desires with your waking consciousness, then something new arises. And we come back to one of the most basic elements of the abduction phenomenon: the triad. The union of two opposite forces through a third element that gives balance and creates something new.

It still wouldn’t be subconscious or unconscious then. In dreams, humans do not symbolize consciousness.

Taken into that context, maybe the modern myth of the alien-human hybrid is a symbol of the union between the subconscious desires with the conscious mind.

I was being serious. Maybe a little bit playfully serious, but not ironic or dismissive.

If SOME UFOs are “tulpas,” then do the externalized subconscious images make themselves known to others in the vicinity who are not “dreaming the same dream” as the percipient? Maybe. Is this an example of folie a’deux? Maybe. Is it externalized matter ordered by local consciousness? Maybe.

I agree completely with your last two paragraphs.

Am I to interpret your response as you are not being serious about this?

On a related thought, if UFOs were “tulpas”, then they would be no different then a dream (other then context) and therefore they could be interpreted in much the same way dreams could be…

Carl Jung thought of UFOs as being symbolic of wholeness and since UFOs are physically so elusive, this seems to imply that wholeness eludes us as a species.

Continuing the Jung theme, the ETs (or visitors) are any ideas alien to our conscious minds (not necessarily to our subconscious or unconscious minds). That is why ETs are sometime viewed as from another dimension. More specifically, the ETs represent the next step up in consciousness. In this sense, the ETs will never stop visiting us and being elusive for as long as humans exist.

I do not regret getting involved with UFOs. Anything that interests humans is that which tells us something about how the human mind works. I’ve learned a lot about how the human mind works (or doesn’t) from studying UFOs.

I never wrote that he saw ONLY secret tests, I just guessed (confirmed by some of the mundane nature of what he filmed and saw) that most of his interactions were tests of UAVs, coded signals, and laser communications.

Richard seems to attribute more to me than I intended. I’ll have to get in touch with him.

Just musing on things. Musing sometimes creates inspiration, which might be verified by experience/ experiment. Science can’t deal with UFOs yet, so I’m musing on other themes.

Maybe the contactees were right, or perhaps they (and abductees) are forming the experience into something that makes sense to them, or the “aliens” are.