Comments on: The $10,000 UFO Challenge http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/08/21/the-10000-ufo-challenge/ UFO News, Views, and More Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:13:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Greg Bishop http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/08/21/the-10000-ufo-challenge/#comment-6670 Greg Bishop Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:41:15 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=1467#comment-6670 The Sage, I hope it's not a joke, because that would make it much funnier, and even if it is, someone who takes it seriously is going to have to jump through so many hoops for that elusive 10 grand that they will become the joke. The Sage,

I hope it’s not a joke, because that would make it much funnier, and even if it is, someone who takes it seriously is going to have to jump through so many hoops for that elusive 10 grand that they will become the joke.

]]> By: Greg Bishop http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/08/21/the-10000-ufo-challenge/#comment-6669 Greg Bishop Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:39:23 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=1467#comment-6669 Ben, Yeah, Randi's challenge is based on his own proof, not peer-reviewed proof. "Experiment until you get the results you want, and massage the data until it does" is his (and to some extent, CSICOP's) guiding philosophy. Ben,

Yeah, Randi’s challenge is based on his own proof, not peer-reviewed proof. “Experiment until you get the results you want, and massage the data until it does” is his (and to some extent, CSICOP’s) guiding philosophy.

]]> By: Greg Bishop http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/08/21/the-10000-ufo-challenge/#comment-6668 Greg Bishop Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:36:11 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=1467#comment-6668 Drew, The "toruslike" shapes are due to the physical properties of the camera optics, so I don't see how your comment relates to anything in the post. Drew,

The “toruslike” shapes are due to the physical properties of the camera optics, so I don’t see how your comment relates to anything in the post.

]]> By: Greg Bishop http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/08/21/the-10000-ufo-challenge/#comment-6667 Greg Bishop Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:33:54 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=1467#comment-6667 alcalde, Yes, I've seen that other segment. The object moves in a strange way, but that's about all you can say about it. Theories have been advanced about booster rockets firing, etc. but nothing conclusive as far as I know. Bascially it leaves us with nothing again! alcalde,

Yes, I’ve seen that other segment. The object moves in a strange way, but that’s about all you can say about it. Theories have been advanced about booster rockets firing, etc. but nothing conclusive as far as I know. Bascially it leaves us with nothing again!

]]> By: The_Sage http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/08/21/the-10000-ufo-challenge/#comment-6651 The_Sage Sat, 23 Aug 2008 05:44:32 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=1467#comment-6651 This whole thing looks like just another stupid joke to me. Logically speaking, since absolutely no proof was given to demonstrate that the photographs show any evidence of artificial, intelligently controlled objects, therefore there is nothing to disprove where nothing has been proven to start with. If the person who offered this so-called challenge does not even know how to give a proper proof or recognize faulty logic in their methodology, how in the world are they ever going to be in a position to recognize a proper disproof when they see it? This whole thing looks like just another stupid joke to me.

Logically speaking, since absolutely no proof was given to demonstrate that the photographs show any evidence of artificial, intelligently controlled objects, therefore there is nothing to disprove where nothing has been proven to start with.

If the person who offered this so-called challenge does not even know how to give a proper proof or recognize faulty logic in their methodology, how in the world are they ever going to be in a position to recognize a proper disproof when they see it?

]]> By: BenDoverEsq. http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/08/21/the-10000-ufo-challenge/#comment-6637 BenDoverEsq. Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:31:47 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=1467#comment-6637 Well, as someone who is sick of hearing skeptical dogmatists constantly bring up Randi's challenge as the final retort whenever they've lost an argument I'm happy to see this. The Daily Grail did a fantastic expose on Randi's challenge. It's a total crock with tons of outs. I bet this challenge is the same as is Victor Zamit's challenge. Well, as someone who is sick of hearing skeptical dogmatists constantly bring up Randi’s challenge as the final retort whenever they’ve lost an argument I’m happy to see this. The Daily Grail did a fantastic expose on Randi’s challenge. It’s a total crock with tons of outs. I bet this challenge is the same as is Victor Zamit’s challenge.

]]> By: drew hempel http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/08/21/the-10000-ufo-challenge/#comment-6636 drew hempel Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:13:50 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=1467#comment-6636 Looks like "Winfree turbulence" to me: Professor Art Winfree discovered the secret of self-sustaining excitable media as torus scroll rings. Winfree argues in his book "When Time Breaks Down" (1987): The math is intractable since it's quantum chaos, relying on the same discrete "noise" that this computer enhancement produces. I recommend his section titled, "Transmutation," p. 239 which leads to "Vortex Atoms and Cosmic Strings." He's carrying on Fort's great tradition of teleporting whirlwinds: "These tubes of 'false vacuum' are supposed to form closed rings, possibly interlinked and knotted, occasionally colliding and reconnecting much as do the singular filaments of excitable media." (p. 245) "Each kind of organizing center is woven in its own distinctive way from fibers of phase singularity, as though from the funnels of chemical tornados." (p. 246) Looks like “Winfree turbulence” to me: Professor Art Winfree discovered the secret of self-sustaining excitable media as torus scroll rings. Winfree argues in his book “When Time Breaks Down” (1987): The math is intractable since it’s quantum chaos, relying on the same discrete “noise” that this computer enhancement produces. I recommend his section titled, “Transmutation,” p. 239 which leads to “Vortex Atoms and Cosmic Strings.” He’s carrying on Fort’s great tradition of teleporting whirlwinds:

“These tubes of ‘false vacuum’ are supposed to form closed rings, possibly interlinked and knotted, occasionally colliding and reconnecting much as do the singular filaments of excitable media.” (p. 245)

“Each kind of organizing center is woven in its own distinctive way from fibers of phase singularity, as though from the funnels of chemical tornados.” (p. 246)

]]> By: alcalde http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/08/21/the-10000-ufo-challenge/#comment-6635 alcalde Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:47:02 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=1467#comment-6635 One of the two new "UFO Hunters" television programs, dedicated to the topic of whether NASA had knowledge of UFOs, had an extended segment on this footage. Between an individual who has built an exact replica of the shuttle cockpit to a scientist trained in optics, all of the effects seen in the video are not only explained, but duplicated, enough to achieve consensus among even UFO true believers that the tape does not show UFOs. You are exactly right about the optics of the camera being the cause of the shape... the scientist was able to take objects of different shapes and show how all were captured as a round shape on the test camera they used. I think you should submit a copy of the program then ask for your ten grand. :-) Meanwhile, on the same program, the other famous footage from another shuttle flight where we see a moving object change course 45 degrees just in time to avoid another object, had at least one scientist convinced it was not natural phenomena, but it's this one this guy is promoting... sigh... One of the two new “UFO Hunters” television programs, dedicated to the topic of whether NASA had knowledge of UFOs, had an extended segment on this footage. Between an individual who has built an exact replica of the shuttle cockpit to a scientist trained in optics, all of the effects seen in the video are not only explained, but duplicated, enough to achieve consensus among even UFO true believers that the tape does not show UFOs. You are exactly right about the optics of the camera being the cause of the shape… the scientist was able to take objects of different shapes and show how all were captured as a round shape on the test camera they used. I think you should submit a copy of the program then ask for your ten grand. :-)
Meanwhile, on the same program, the other famous footage from another shuttle flight where we see a moving object change course 45 degrees just in time to avoid another object, had at least one scientist convinced it was not natural phenomena, but it’s this one this guy is promoting… sigh…

]]> By: thomas antoine http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/08/21/the-10000-ufo-challenge/#comment-6633 thomas antoine Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:28:37 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=1467#comment-6633 Dude,I'm not sure,but I think you won. Too bad this guy is a lunitic;) Dude,I’m not sure,but I think you won. Too bad this guy is a lunitic;)

]]> By: Greg Bishop http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/08/21/the-10000-ufo-challenge/#comment-6632 Greg Bishop Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:55:26 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/?p=1467#comment-6632 RPJ, Perhaps if the objects appeared to be interacting with each other, or reacting to something offscreen, it might be more interesting. Glad you're enjoying the book. I never encountered anything to indicate that someone at Paul Bennewitz' own company was keeping an eye on him. Since the building so close to Kirtland AFB (actually right near one of the main entrances) it would have been a simple task to watch him and others without their knowledge. I'm not sure why he wanted to chat up the "aliens." All I can remember is that anything he could find which supported his theories was pounced upon as proof, and I suppose that would include any supposed "enemy fraternization." Maybe he thought that they were just dumb about this, or were so confident of victory that communicating with one human was no problem i.e."Resistance Is Futile!" RPJ,

Perhaps if the objects appeared to be interacting with each other, or reacting to something offscreen, it might be more interesting.

Glad you’re enjoying the book. I never encountered anything to indicate that someone at Paul Bennewitz’ own company was keeping an eye on him. Since the building so close to Kirtland AFB (actually right near one of the main entrances) it would have been a simple task to watch him and others without their knowledge.

I’m not sure why he wanted to chat up the “aliens.” All I can remember is that anything he could find which supported his theories was pounced upon as proof, and I suppose that would include any supposed “enemy fraternization.” Maybe he thought that they were just dumb about this, or were so confident of victory that communicating with one human was no problem i.e.”Resistance Is Futile!”

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