MJ-12 Existence Confirmed (sort of)
In a series of letters from the year 2000, Researcher Brian Parks has confirmed that at least one former member of the Truman Presidential Administration recalled an official organization known as MJ-12.
Harold C. Stuart held the position of Assistant Secretary of the Air Force from 1949 to 1951. In his 2006 book Exempt From Disclosure, former “Aviary” member Robert Collins listed Stuart as a member of the MJ12 advisory board. Parks writes in his brief report:
I was able to discover that a Harold C. Stuart was an Assistant Secretary of the Air Force under Truman 1949-51, and also a Special Consultant to the Secretary of the Air Force 1961-63. I had very little doubt this was the same person. Mr. Stuart now in his late 80’s was retired from law practice and living in Florida. I managed to track him down and send a letter that simply asked if he had any knowledge of MJ-12.
The reply from Stuart was short, and frustratingly vague:
I was not on the MJ-12 Advisory Board and only have a faint recollection of this project or group. I did know most of the Generals you mentioned in your letter, but sorry I cannot shed any light on your request.
At least Parks was able to confirm that someone who was in a position to know had a “faint recollection” of the actual existence of something that has titillated UFO document hounds for over two decades. It also confirms rumors that there was actually a government group named MJ-12 in at least the early 1950s. This of course does not prove that it had anything to do with UFOs. If the many pages of documents which indicate that this group had purview over UFO information and policy are faked (and I think that many, if not all of them are) then whoever created them had access to the history of secret projects and used the MJ-12 designator in order to befuddle attempts to flush out its history.
Parks reports that Stuart died at the age of 94 in 2007.
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Aug 14 2008 
August 14th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Maybe one of Stuart’s relatives might have been told something.
August 14th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Not very convincing in my opinion. A guy in their late 80s saying he had a “faint recollection” of such a group but offering zero details. I guess if I wasn’t biased in thinking MJ-12 is bogus I might feel differently.
August 14th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
I also have a feeling that MJ-12 is a dead end. Maybe a smoke screen to divert the public’s attention from the REAL agency that dealt with UFOs.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
It’s very curious that Edgar Mitchell says ,’matter of factly’ , that ‘MJ12′
was ‘real’ -is this from the “old timers” ?
Isn’t it amazing that no journalist from NYTimes,WPost etc has interviewed
him - or tackled this deservedly headline news - an astronaut
(wouldn’t he be an ‘agent’ of our government?) declaring he has been “briefed”
about ‘ET contact’ !
It’s interesting to note that the National Archives opened 750,000 pages of
personnel records on more
than 35,000 employees who worked for the (OSS)…Thursday.
“You were typically invited to join the OSS,” he said.
“You couldn’t just apply.”
nbc4.com
Information about OSS involvement was so guarded that relatives often could not confirm a family member’s work with the group.
Walter Mess, who handled covert OSS operations in Poland and North Africa, said he kept quiet for more than 50 years, only recently
telling his wife of 62 years about his OSS activity.
“I was told to keep my mouth shut,” said Mess, now 93 and living
in Falls Church, Va.
“I think it’s terrific,” said Elizabeth McIntosh, 93, a former OSS
agent now living in Woodbridge, Va. “They’ve finally, after all these years,
they’ve gotten the names out. All of these people had been told never
to mention they were with the OSS.”
Other notables identified in the files include ….. Miles Copeland, father of
Stewart Copeland, drummer for the band The Police.
What’s the point in keeping this a secret even after 25 years?
I think ‘individuals’ can handle this information (ET) - but not the World - not US , even today -
There’s no comparison to any other ’secret’ -
There would not be a ‘public record’ -
like CIA Dir. Helms said, ‘First, no paper trails’ (Dolan).
Still, isn’t the simple ’solution’ more likely that Mitchell is/was
being lied to - and MJ12 is part of a ’spy game’ -Let ‘em think we’re in ‘contact’ and no one else is ….
August 15th, 2008 at 6:05 am
I agree that this admission doesn’t amount to much. He may be confusing MJ12 with some other project for all we know.
August 15th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Roger,
Perhaps, but I don’t know if anyone will bother tracking down those people, and second-hand information may be too far away from the original source. It seems that a lot of aspects of the UFO subject are often too weird to believe, or that there isn’t enough evidence to convince many people. It’s a bad conundrum.
August 15th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Ben,
I’m not convinced either, but I thought that it was newsworthy. Maybe someone (even Mr. Parks) will follow up.
August 15th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
RPJ,
Maybe the “real” agency was or still is a loose confederation of insiders who operate as an informal think tank. That way, there is no record of their doings.
August 15th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
mouse,
I read that news. Julia Child was also mentioned as an OSS operative. This was common knowledge in the “conspiracy” community for years, and Miles Copeland wrote a book about his OSS/ CIA experiences, I think.
If there was an MJ-12, it was probably a project that had little to do with UFOs, but enough to keep researchers guessing for years while those who are concerned with national security move on to other matters.
August 15th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
I really resent the fact that people ignore that I have demonstrated time and again the authenticity of the Cutler-Twining memo by it juxtaposition with the Moise (Reich) letter in the Lew Douglas archives. It’s as close to absolute proof of the existence of MJ12 as anyone’s ever going to find. Even testimony like this doesn’t match the objective triangulation of evidence of the C-T and the Moise. The so-called skeptics want to keep this issue in a fog as much as the UFO believers. Oh well. I go over it again in my next book, Secret and Suppressed II, out in the fall from Feral House.
August 16th, 2008 at 12:26 am
Kenn,
Didn’t Jim Martin originally publish info on that Douglas letter out in his Reich book? You’ve explained it to me, but I’ve forgotten the details.
I don’t think UFO believers want to deliberately keep this issue in a fog.
In any case, I pointed out (in the text of the post and the comments) that MJ-12 has never been conclusively proven as an official UFO working group, so maybe it had little or nothing to do with the subject.
I suspect that the 20-year furor over MJ-12 was started with a deliberate smokescreen disinfo program to get UFO researchers fighting over something that may ultimately be a dead end–sort of like the story of an intricate (and useless) mechanism that was deliberately left on a beach in Holland by British intelligence during the WWII occupation in order to waste the time of the Nazis who would find it.
August 17th, 2008 at 12:50 am
That’s my point there, Greg. Here’s the proof of the existence of MJ12 and you just sorta forgot about it. I don’t know, maybe that would have been the best response for a Nazi in Holland, but you’d think he might first prove to his satisfaction that the mechanism didn’t work. Yes, the debate started in Jim’s book–which Jim DeMeo may reprint if Jim can ever find the time to do a decent rewrite–and he put up some resistance to my initial analysis. I have brought it up in magazine articles and books since and the case only gets stronger the more you look at it. Too bad it gets sucked into the morass of debunking all these latter-day bogus MJ 12 docs, because the real historic debate about MJ12 has to begin there, with proof that even rigorous historical analysis cannot refute.
August 17th, 2008 at 1:25 am
Kenn,
Sure, it may very likely have existed, but was MJ-12 an official UFO working group, and was that its only purpose? That’s the question which I still think needs answering.
The reason that I “sort of forgot” about the Douglas-Moise letter is, as I remember, that the way you explained it was either confusing to me or the case seemed to be weak based on what you told me. Perhaps I didn’t get all of it properly.
Personally, I’m not debunking anything, except things that seem to be bunk. If there is a good case, then it’s not “bunk.” Many issues reside between extremes as well.
Perhaps I can persuade you to write this up as a guest column?
August 17th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
As Cat often says, “For FIFTY DOLLARS!!!”
“)
(just read about it in S&S II)