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		<title>By: new human weapon</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/07/25/commentary-on-mitchell-interview/#comment-6518</link>
		<dc:creator>new human weapon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;new human weapon...&lt;/strong&gt;

Has anyone heard of Eksrima?...</description>
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<p>Has anyone heard of Eksrima?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Knights</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/07/25/commentary-on-mitchell-interview/#comment-6352</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Knights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: IOW, what you meant to imply is that our government would, through seemingly inadvertent disclosures or implausible denials, mislead potential enemies into inferring that we had access to advanced technology or powerful allies. 

Here's an instance that occurs to me: In 1939, at an air show in Germany, a top French air force official was given a ride in one of Germany's latest planes. While cruising along, one of Germany's two experimental Heinkel jets (which were never put into production) "accidentally" flashed past his plane at an incredible speed--but nothing was said about it to the air official. He falsely concluded that Germany had a powerful weapon up its sleeve, and this led him to adopt a defeatist, placatory attitude, as was intended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: IOW, what you meant to imply is that our government would, through seemingly inadvertent disclosures or implausible denials, mislead potential enemies into inferring that we had access to advanced technology or powerful allies. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an instance that occurs to me: In 1939, at an air show in Germany, a top French air force official was given a ride in one of Germany&#8217;s latest planes. While cruising along, one of Germany&#8217;s two experimental Heinkel jets (which were never put into production) &#8220;accidentally&#8221; flashed past his plane at an incredible speed&#8211;but nothing was said about it to the air official. He falsely concluded that Germany had a powerful weapon up its sleeve, and this led him to adopt a defeatist, placatory attitude, as was intended.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Knights</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Knights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify: That comment of yours was made in a previous thread, "That Edgar Mitchell Interview."

What was wrong about the sci-fi-er's critique of it is that it misrepresents how our government would be "playing its cards." It would emphatically &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; be "claiming" to be "talking to the aliens." Explicitly, it would be doing the opposite: denying any such interpretation. Meanwhile, it would be doing so in such a clumsy manner as to entice enemies who reflexively dismiss our government's claims to come to the contrary conclusion. 

This sort of deceptive maneuver--pretending to have secret weapons or a secret alliance with another power--is not unknown in the game of international intrigue, to intimidate potential threats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify: That comment of yours was made in a previous thread, &#8220;That Edgar Mitchell Interview.&#8221;</p>
<p>What was wrong about the sci-fi-er&#8217;s critique of it is that it misrepresents how our government would be &#8220;playing its cards.&#8221; It would emphatically <b>not</b> be &#8220;claiming&#8221; to be &#8220;talking to the aliens.&#8221; Explicitly, it would be doing the opposite: denying any such interpretation. Meanwhile, it would be doing so in such a clumsy manner as to entice enemies who reflexively dismiss our government&#8217;s claims to come to the contrary conclusion. </p>
<p>This sort of deceptive maneuver&#8211;pretending to have secret weapons or a secret alliance with another power&#8211;is not unknown in the game of international intrigue, to intimidate potential threats.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, now &lt;a href="http://other-worlds-cafe.com/news/blog/?p=874" rel="nofollow"&gt;someone at a sci-fi blog&lt;/a&gt; has pegged me as a UFO believer nut by taking one of my questions from the last post out of context:

&lt;em&gt;the blogger’s own speculation made my eyes roll so far back in my head that I sprained one:

What if this is just a huge cover for a push by U.S. authorities to play the “we are talking to the aliens” card (with a poker face aiding the bluff) due to sagging influence around the world?

That’s totally the way to get people to respect you: Claim that you’re in regular contact with aliens.&lt;/em&gt;

I'll just comfort myself with the probability that not too many people read that blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, now <a href="http://other-worlds-cafe.com/news/blog/?p=874" rel="nofollow">someone at a sci-fi blog</a> has pegged me as a UFO believer nut by taking one of my questions from the last post out of context:</p>
<p><em>the blogger’s own speculation made my eyes roll so far back in my head that I sprained one:</p>
<p>What if this is just a huge cover for a push by U.S. authorities to play the “we are talking to the aliens” card (with a poker face aiding the bluff) due to sagging influence around the world?</p>
<p>That’s totally the way to get people to respect you: Claim that you’re in regular contact with aliens.</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll just comfort myself with the probability that not too many people read that blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Knights</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Knights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wmmott wrote:
&lt;i&gt;His claims on the Kerrang! Radio show were directly contradicted by comments he made later in the week when he called into Fox &#38; Friends. Either he has as sources “people on government panels” (as he said on the radio), or “ranchers and locals” in the Roswell area from the era of the event (as he said on Fox &#38; Friends).&lt;/i&gt;

If what he said on F&#38;F matched what he said the next day in a "Ed Mitchell sets the record straight" interview by Lisa Bonnice of BlogTalkRadio (courtesy of C2C):
http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0708/record-straight-print.html

In it, Mitchell only disavows receiving information from NASA, but not from other governmental sources, such as from persons in the Pentagon. As for his Roswell sources, they were not just "ranchers and locals"--i.e., mere local residents--but:

"some locals, and others military and intelligence people, who were under rather severe oaths to not reveal any of this and kind of wanted to get their conscience clear and off their chests before they passed on ..."

Further, on the Parachat forum, at http://forum.theparacast.com/f8/wernher-von-braun-another-mitchells-source-for-reality-t2265/, poster UfoRadio writes:

"On September 12, 2007, for the "Coast to Coast" radio show, Mitchell stated that he knew Wernher quite well and they become very close. Mitchell stated that Wernher dropped a few hints (on UFOs). He didn't discuss with Mitchell in great depth but also he didn't hold it back. The "Paperclip scientists" (other scientists transferred from Germany to USA as Wernher too) were at Fort Bliss "at the time all this happened" (Roswell). Mitchell adds that Wernher was apparently there and was asked to investigate at that first instant-incident (Roswell)...."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wmmott wrote:<br />
<i>His claims on the Kerrang! Radio show were directly contradicted by comments he made later in the week when he called into Fox &amp; Friends. Either he has as sources “people on government panels” (as he said on the radio), or “ranchers and locals” in the Roswell area from the era of the event (as he said on Fox &amp; Friends).</i></p>
<p>If what he said on F&amp;F matched what he said the next day in a &#8220;Ed Mitchell sets the record straight&#8221; interview by Lisa Bonnice of BlogTalkRadio (courtesy of C2C):<br />
<a href="http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0708/record-straight-print.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0708/record-straight-print.html</a></p>
<p>In it, Mitchell only disavows receiving information from NASA, but not from other governmental sources, such as from persons in the Pentagon. As for his Roswell sources, they were not just &#8220;ranchers and locals&#8221;&#8211;i.e., mere local residents&#8211;but:</p>
<p>&#8220;some locals, and others military and intelligence people, who were under rather severe oaths to not reveal any of this and kind of wanted to get their conscience clear and off their chests before they passed on &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Further, on the Parachat forum, at <a href="http://forum.theparacast.com/f8/wernher-von-braun-another-mitchells-source-for-reality-t2265/" rel="nofollow">http://forum.theparacast.com/f8/wernher-von-braun-another-mitchells-source-for-reality-t2265/</a>, poster UfoRadio writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;On September 12, 2007, for the &#8220;Coast to Coast&#8221; radio show, Mitchell stated that he knew Wernher quite well and they become very close. Mitchell stated that Wernher dropped a few hints (on UFOs). He didn&#8217;t discuss with Mitchell in great depth but also he didn&#8217;t hold it back. The &#8220;Paperclip scientists&#8221; (other scientists transferred from Germany to USA as Wernher too) were at Fort Bliss &#8220;at the time all this happened&#8221; (Roswell). Mitchell adds that Wernher was apparently there and was asked to investigate at that first instant-incident (Roswell)&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>111uminate,

You must have mind-melded with me without my knowledge or permission.

Either that, or we have essentially the same thoughts on this subject. Coincidentally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>111uminate,</p>
<p>You must have mind-melded with me without my knowledge or permission.</p>
<p>Either that, or we have essentially the same thoughts on this subject. Coincidentally.</p>
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		<title>By: 111uminate</title>
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		<dc:creator>111uminate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as far as theories of origins go regarding the phenomenon I think the ETH holds as much water as any other theory. It's just unfortunate that it becomes popularized by culture, and all other possibilities are thrown by the way side, but what can you really expect? To the open minded researcher such a theory is old hat, but to the common guy on the street that would be his first guess. "It came from outer-space ..." echoes. Would the ETH be the Occam's Razor of the mystery? I suppose for some seasoned researchers it would be, and if you take into account the infamous NASA STS video footage, it certainly seems plausible. I mean, there they are, right out in space. Right? They must have come from there. But what about the accounts, both military and civilian of differing countries around the World, of objects being tracked and sighted within the oceans? There they are, in the water, entering and exiting. Right? They must have come from there. But what of the not oft mentioned "Amalantrah Working" of Aleister Crowley and company? He spoke of opening spatial gateways, and later came into contact with our now popular little buddy known as LAM. Surely there must be an occult or esoteric explanation for the phenomena.

I think the major bone I have with modern UFOlogy is that there's an over abundance of theory cults. There's nothing wrong with putting forth an interpretation, but when it impedes objective research and hinders a fresh (A clean slate) approach, we go no where. The bottom line is unfortunately most people have already made up their minds about what they believe it is, whether or not they admit it even to themselves. They sit on a belief, and analyze the criteria to cater to and nourish that idea. What you end up with is a tunnel vision of selective analysis and premature conclusions. Project Stalk, the Pentacle letter, the Cold War. Is it really all that alien?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as far as theories of origins go regarding the phenomenon I think the ETH holds as much water as any other theory. It&#8217;s just unfortunate that it becomes popularized by culture, and all other possibilities are thrown by the way side, but what can you really expect? To the open minded researcher such a theory is old hat, but to the common guy on the street that would be his first guess. &#8220;It came from outer-space &#8230;&#8221; echoes. Would the ETH be the Occam&#8217;s Razor of the mystery? I suppose for some seasoned researchers it would be, and if you take into account the infamous NASA STS video footage, it certainly seems plausible. I mean, there they are, right out in space. Right? They must have come from there. But what about the accounts, both military and civilian of differing countries around the World, of objects being tracked and sighted within the oceans? There they are, in the water, entering and exiting. Right? They must have come from there. But what of the not oft mentioned &#8220;Amalantrah Working&#8221; of Aleister Crowley and company? He spoke of opening spatial gateways, and later came into contact with our now popular little buddy known as LAM. Surely there must be an occult or esoteric explanation for the phenomena.</p>
<p>I think the major bone I have with modern UFOlogy is that there&#8217;s an over abundance of theory cults. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with putting forth an interpretation, but when it impedes objective research and hinders a fresh (A clean slate) approach, we go no where. The bottom line is unfortunately most people have already made up their minds about what they believe it is, whether or not they admit it even to themselves. They sit on a belief, and analyze the criteria to cater to and nourish that idea. What you end up with is a tunnel vision of selective analysis and premature conclusions. Project Stalk, the Pentacle letter, the Cold War. Is it really all that alien?</p>
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		<title>By: wmmott</title>
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		<dc:creator>wmmott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonah,

Read the article again.  My question as to the dubious nature of his claims is quite clear.

Dr. Mitchell is a great American.  A hero.  But this doesn't mean that he doesn't exhibit, to an extreme degree, the behavior of one who has a severe case of "wishful thinking."  Evidence is NOT considered in his claims.  He seems hell-bent on proving the ETH at the expense of facts, witness and experiencer accounts, and perhaps even the (gsp!) truth.

His claims on the Kerrang! Radio show were directly contradicted by comments he made later in the week when he called into Fox &#38; Friends.  Either he has as sources "people on government panels" (as he said on the radio), or "ranchers and locals" in the Roswell area from the era of the event (as he said on Fox &#38; Friends).  And so on.

Unfortunately, those who are determined to believe the ETH will believe it, often in spite of facts or the lack thereof.  I recommend that you go to my radio interview page at mottimorphic.com and listen to some of the audio--you will quickly see that the ETH is highly unlikely, at its best.  Listen to my latest interview with Kevin Smith and you'll see where I'm coming from.

As for Edgar Mitchell, well, I wish him the best.  But I also think that every point examined in that particular article is legitimate.

-Michael Mott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonah,</p>
<p>Read the article again.  My question as to the dubious nature of his claims is quite clear.</p>
<p>Dr. Mitchell is a great American.  A hero.  But this doesn&#8217;t mean that he doesn&#8217;t exhibit, to an extreme degree, the behavior of one who has a severe case of &#8220;wishful thinking.&#8221;  Evidence is NOT considered in his claims.  He seems hell-bent on proving the ETH at the expense of facts, witness and experiencer accounts, and perhaps even the (gsp!) truth.</p>
<p>His claims on the Kerrang! Radio show were directly contradicted by comments he made later in the week when he called into Fox &amp; Friends.  Either he has as sources &#8220;people on government panels&#8221; (as he said on the radio), or &#8220;ranchers and locals&#8221; in the Roswell area from the era of the event (as he said on Fox &amp; Friends).  And so on.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, those who are determined to believe the ETH will believe it, often in spite of facts or the lack thereof.  I recommend that you go to my radio interview page at mottimorphic.com and listen to some of the audio&#8211;you will quickly see that the ETH is highly unlikely, at its best.  Listen to my latest interview with Kevin Smith and you&#8217;ll see where I&#8217;m coming from.</p>
<p>As for Edgar Mitchell, well, I wish him the best.  But I also think that every point examined in that particular article is legitimate.</p>
<p>-Michael Mott</p>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
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		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Greg -- yesterday I was reading one of "science writer" James Trefil's astronomy books.  He says that dark matter is non-Keplerian -- which means something about going against the predicted elliptical orbit of matter.  And of course "dark matter" is most of the universe (according to mainstream science) and it's quantum... therefore (see my earlier post for infinite self-regressive ad absurdum loop).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Greg &#8212; yesterday I was reading one of &#8220;science writer&#8221; James Trefil&#8217;s astronomy books.  He says that dark matter is non-Keplerian &#8212; which means something about going against the predicted elliptical orbit of matter.  And of course &#8220;dark matter&#8221; is most of the universe (according to mainstream science) and it&#8217;s quantum&#8230; therefore (see my earlier post for infinite self-regressive ad absurdum loop).</p>
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		<title>By: Jonah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank -you- Greg, for answering my somewhat snarky comment. You are always the gentleman and I do appreciate the clarification. As an aside, I have heard your interview with 'Thunder K'(KT). Have it on my iPod as a matter of fact. I found and listened to it shortly after I purchased my twenty acres of wilderness along the border of B.C, with plenty of fuel and access to fresh water year round. Go figure.

I wish you well.

~J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank -you- Greg, for answering my somewhat snarky comment. You are always the gentleman and I do appreciate the clarification. As an aside, I have heard your interview with &#8216;Thunder K&#8217;(KT). Have it on my iPod as a matter of fact. I found and listened to it shortly after I purchased my twenty acres of wilderness along the border of B.C, with plenty of fuel and access to fresh water year round. Go figure.</p>
<p>I wish you well.</p>
<p>~J</p>
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