God Bless

I’m not absoultely sure of anything, except that we should treat others kindly, and I’m fine with that.

Why is it that so many UFO believers are willing to embrace things that do not hold up to scrutiny like the Urantia book that many many people live by which is purely demonically influenced and not only teaches the original sin that we can evolve into gods as it’s core message but also explains how a person must ask demons to enter them for guidance. But on the other hand ignore and hate the Holy Bible who’s words align with history, archaeology, and science, and who’s prophecies have been fulfilled 100% of the time. Jean Dixon and Edgar Cayce and all these other so called prophets are never right even 60% of the time. That is not a true prophet. They are mimics, half truth and half lie. This is how they are so able to deceive because they add tidbits of true heavenly knowledge about people but then poison it with self deity and the original sin.

These are angry angels set out to muddy the waters of understanding. These are the same ancient demons who for centuries have appeared as incubus and succubus beings causing night terrors and performing sexual acts just like in abduction scenarios. These are the same demonic enlightened masters that have appeared throughout time to impart knowledge and understanding to mankind in exchange for worship and creating false religions and human sacrifice and possession. Nothing is new under the sun and these beings are simply smart enough to change their disguise. The masquerade of appearing as ghosts and ghouls does not work as effectively in our modern world. They knew that in order to deceive smart humans in the scientific mindset that we have today that they must appear as something more technologically advanced than ourselves. Something that has the answers to our questions, something that can provide us with peace and healing and rid us of the wars and pollution of our planet. These are the things that lucifer claims to provide all in the name of goodwill. These are all the same things as well that fulfill end times prophecy and explain the planned deception of the coming antichrist. Mathew 24: 24 tells us that even the elect will be deceived by this coming delusion. Please open your eyes to what is happening people.

You wrote,

“I think the key if we really want to arrive at the truth is to be completely unbiased to the big picture.”

..then you went on to describe your opinion looking at the issue with a specifically Christian viewpoint, after admittedly trying others.

Anyone who says that they have the “correct” view of this phenomenon is already suspect to me. I have no hostility for Christians or any other spiritual path. What I am concerned about is dogmatic thinking. The use of any one book or philosophical system as a filter seems to shut out a range of possibilities that I am not willing to exclude. To me, there is just as much objective evidence for “extraterrestrials” as there are for “demons.”

The western, Christian viewpoint of this phenomenon certainly deserves a place at the table of debate, but we should reserve the right to question anyone who claims that they have the “one true answer,” or a path to it.

It is not only the fact that these beings are stopped by invoking the name of Christ, but it is also what they stand for.
If you listen to people who claim to be in touch with aliens they all have ONE thing in common. The “original sin.”
What did satan tell Eve in the garden when he convinced her to eat of the fruit? He told her that she could become a god. What do you hear today by all these new age ideas like, ‘the secret’ and Eckhart Tolle’s ‘A new Earth.’ They all teach that we are gods or can evolve into gods. Over and over again you hear this today with everything connected to 2012, UFOs, and the Aquarian age. It is quite clear to see the common agenda when you understand that anything connected to the original sin is connected to the great lie. It is even more obvious when you see how many people are actually embracing ’serpent-like’ ideas based around quetzequatel, kundalini energy, serpent races, reptilians, and even the idea of eating the fruit of the tree to find enlightenment. If you believe this you might as well admit you are aligned with a luciferian agenda whether you like it or not.

Satan has never changed his motive or his plan, he has only changed his disguise. The Bible tells us that lucifer disguises himself as an ‘angel of light.’ and deceives with mimics of truth. Remember, lucifer and his demons are fallen angels, this means that they had access to heavenly realms and they use this knowledge to mimic God’s peace in order to prey on the ego and pride of mans sin nature to become god like and do what they want. What do we hear over and over again from people that claim to be in touch with the enlightened masters? They tell that we must become light beings and that we can ‘evolve into gods’ Not only this but they want to reduce the population and form a global world government and religion all in the name of peace and love.

Have you ever wondered why you always hear Christians saying Jesus is the only way? Maybe it is because it really truly does just happen to be the truth and the only way. Could that be possible? I mean why would these Christians get up and say this over and over again unless there was something to it? Is that not worth investigating for yourself? How can we ignore the truth if that is what it truly is? The fact that the truth happens to agree with one religion or another should really be irrelevant if we really want to know what is really going on. That is why Joe Jordan is so calm and willing to hear all sides and points of view without bias because he stands on the side of truth. People’s opposition and outright anger toward the Christian UFO viewpoint does nothing but add credence and strength to the demonic spiritual warfare point of view. After all, many people out there have opened themselves up to so-called ‘alien communication and ’spirit guides’ and if aliens are really demons posing in disguise they probably do not want their hosts to hear this information and truth. This shows that these people might not be enlightened at all but demonically fooled and possessed by an entity that will mimic anything it needs to in order to fool and oppress and could create great anger and internal rage in people to keep them from hearing the truth.

I find it also so interesting how UFO believers don’t seem to mind integrating the religious views of new age and eastern beliefs such as Buddhism, Hinduism, occultism, etc… As an example, I would point out the pictures on the top of this very website. One is of Alister Crowley’s demonic alien buddy, the alien yin yang sign, and the all seeing eye at the top of the page…..interesting. All of these symbols are new age, eastern, and Masonic. Yet your against bringing religion into the picture? I think we should bring EVERYTHING relevant into the mix and the real truth will rise to the top. The second you refuse one persons argument is the second you may miss the truth.

It is quite eye opening to see that it seems every eastern religion is embraced by the new age and ufo movement but when someone brings up Christianity they get angry and close minded. Why? Why is it that the only time you hear them talk about Jesus is when they are telling you his message was really misunderstood and he actually wanted us to realize our own Christ consciousness? Sound familiar? We are right back to the original sin, time and time again. They only like to talk about Christianity if they are trying to prove it wrong or twist the words of Jesus to align with their lies.

This opposition does nothing but strengthen the argument and evidence that UFOs and aliens are indeed anti-Christian and connected to a larger end times deception.
Helena Blavatsky and the theosophical society were planning the emergence of this deception way back in the 1800’s and this is why evolution was so fundamentally important for satan to have as a foundation at that time and this time in order that people can be deceived by the same lie in modern times. Nothing is new under the sun and satan will always mimic the truth and people will always be willingly ignorant to embrace the same lie of the original sin which is rooted in the pride, ego, an sin nature of man to try and deify themselves as gods. I believe this is the key to for all other to arrive at this same conclusion, simply look for the original sin and you will spot it every time. There is only one true God and no one will ever be a god and we cannot worship the Creation instead of the Creator or else we will be tricked into the same old deception.

So I just pretended I was actually at the Moroccan Cafe around the corner, as the Muslims there talk the same way (only in Arabic) and the same goes for the Somalians (where I often hang out).

Strangely almost immediately I could tolerate the evangelicals - but, just as I can’t convert to Islam — what gets me about religion is how it’s this mind-control trip with the wording.

I mean talk about obessed with wording. I’ll hang in there and finally the question will be popped:

But you do believe that Jesus Christ was a real person who died for our sins right?

Anyway then I’ll start talking about the teachings of Christ and about Greece and Egypt and Judaism, etc. haha.

Then there’s Eusebius and Ireneus — the two dudes who decided which books would be the gospels. Don’t go there! haha.

Oh well: I find exoricism fascinating — especially in the sense of D. Scott Rogo’s amazing book “MIRACLES.” I’ve been carrying that around as my one “permanent” book (that I don’t give away).

Gave away my copy of “Body Snatchers” today that I got at the pagan store.

I do think that “Alien Abductions” are a form of satanic possession, but just as Huxley argued in regards to the nuns and their incubi — more likely the priests were projecting their repressed sexual desires onto the females, thereby causing the demons.

I’m definitely with you Greg in doubting the 100% efficacy of evangelical exorcism of alien abductions.

That is so true but there is more to it than that. What happens when there are two conflicting beliefs, for example, what if Muslims start coming forward to say that invoking the name of Mohammad will stop 100% of all abductions? Why they would be at each other’s throats in a heartbeat, starting yet another Holy War with each side accusing the other of worshiping “a false God”. That is the problem when relying only on beliefs in the pursuit of truth: they eventually attract violent or unstable people looking for a means to justify their madness.

“Jordan then described his group’s success with stopping abductions by invoking the name of Jesus, and how this had worked for them in 100% of cases, which is a pretty stunning hit rate” (Nick)

…and a stunningly false deception. All religions will only list their successes and never their failures, so it should come as no surprise when any religious-minded group or individual claims a “100% success rate”. If any religion were honest about their failure rate — if any religion did not deceive themselves about their success rate — they would not exist.

Jesus said, “If two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven”. On Aug 29th of 2005, millions of Christians around the USA agreed to invoke Jesus’ name in prayer so that New Orleans would be spared from hurricane Katrina. His name failed. His name also failed when millions of Christians agreed to invoke Jesus’ name in prayer so that President Kennedy’s life be spared right after he was shot. His name failed when millions of Christians prayed in agreement together that Pope John Paul’s life be spared. How many thousands of prostitutes and homosexuals has Jesus failed to save out of their prostitution or homosexuality? You can just go downtown and see for yourself but don’t ask anyone who believes in Jesus because Jesus has a 100% success rate, even when Jesus obviously doesn’t even remotely come close to having a 100% success rate. When you are blinded to reality and facts, nothing will convince you otherwise.

“From what I read, Jordan did not try to force people into prayer or any kind of thing, he told what he thinks is the truth, without presenting nothing conclusive to support his claims—something I’m sure has happened once or twice on a UFO conference” (Blue Pill :^)

Amen, but don’t forget that there was one person there who became very visibly upset. Next time it will be two people, then three, and before you know it, there will be a full scale assault.

A scientific approach, on the other hand, doesn’t falsely lead one to claim to have all the answers, like religion pretends it does. A scientific approach doesn’t lead one to falsely claim to save the world, like religion has repeatedly failed to do.

If and when we get to the point that we understand the UFO mystery better, we may find that things which appear numinous to us now may be explained through a logical series of effects on the human mind. This is not to say that it will demean the experience, it may even enhance it, since we may be able to use it to give people a logical basis for their faith.

In the “UFO Coverup Live” show from 1988, one of the “aviary” members said “The aliens worship the universe as a supreme being.” Since they were famous for dispensing bullshit, I wondered where this comment came from, since I found it very insightful. It may have been an attempt to put something into words that we can’t fully grasp or describe very well, at least not yet.

http://www.litencyc.com/php/speople.php?rec=true&UID=2656

I am currently reading VALIS by PKD and am finding a very Sophic bent to it. Both seemed to have shared a “vision”, both prolific writers. This reflects what I meant by “Mindset” and “Purpose”. Lot’s of parallels here. Some may refer to this loosely as part of the “leaky embargo” hypothesis. However, Lead is speaking to us over centuries. A very slow leak indeed. And as to visions, over at RI, Yathrib posted a link to PKD’s ‘Tagore Letter’.

http://ubikcan.wordpress.com/2007/08/16/pkd-document-the-tagore-letter/

Spiritual content of a slightly different sort but relative to where we find ourselves today re: Climate Change.

Loose connections but connections none the less. FWIW