Jul 10 2008
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“We Can Stop All Abductions With Prayer”
On Sunday afternoon in Roswell, one of the researchers lecturing at the UFO Museum caught me in the lobby on the way to his presentation. Asked if he would be around later to visit, he told me “God willing.”
The curse of the late riser is that he often misses out on notable events. Such a situation greeted me when I arrived at the Pearson Auditorium at about 12:30PM.
Peter Robbins said that there had been a sort of “philosophical altercation” during one of the morning’s lectures. Joe Jordan, (one of the organizers of the conference) had just finished his presentation with co-author David Ruffino. What Peter and others reported to me was that Unholy Communion: The Unwanted Piece of the UFO Puzzle, turned out to be a sort of lecture/ skit/ Sunday morning revival service that flabbergasted some of the more orthodox UFO researchers and audience members. Paola Harris, one of the other invited lecturers, was particularly incensed.
Robbins and others described what happened: Jordan and Ruffino began by presenting their narrative as a mock trial, comparing various viewpoints on a possible ET presence from famous researchers such as J. Allen Hynek and Jacques Vallee in support of the idea that abductions were purely the result of demonic/ satanic influence. According to some members of the audience, they took these quotes out of context, and used them as a “case for the defense,” with the prosecution cast as scientific UFO researchers who condemned their methods. Jordan then described his group’s success with stopping abductions by invoking the name of Jesus, and how this had worked for them in 100% of cases, which is a pretty stunning hit rate.
Some in the audience then noticed “dozens” of people who suddenly crowded the Pearson Auditorium lobby armed with free passes to the conference and slowly filed into the theater. On cue from Jordan, about 15 or 20 of them lined up on the stage to testify about their faith and how Christ had saved them from aliens. The nature and forcefulness of the presentation took many off guard.
This sounds like a pretty strange lecture for a UFO conference, and I’ll be eternally sorry that I missed it. When the DVDs of this weekend are released, I will be getting a copy. It had a chilling effect on the panel discussion later, and Robbins felt compelled to remind us that any debates that cropped up should be kept on a civlized level. As it turned out, he needn’t have worried, as both sides were careful not to directly offend the other, while still making their positions clear.
David Flynn, who uses arcane numerological calesthenics to connect the Roswell crash to world history, geomancy, crop circles and sites in the Holy Land was given a three-hour time slot (double the time alotted to other presenters) and made good use of it. Audience members seemed to be able to follow his theories, although I had no idea what he was talking about. Maybe I’m just too closed-minded, but Flynn seemingly jumped from one strange numerological coincidence to another, without regard for units of measure and the history of how these standards came into general usage (for some reason, he used nautical instead of standard miles or kilometers in his calculations.)
Flynn continued his lecture points during the panel discussion, while Jordan reiterated his thanks to the other speakers for their diversity of opinion, and appeared to be quite sincere. Although he said that his group’s methods were the only way he knew of to stop abductions, he paradoxically maintained that he valued the contributions of other researchers into the UFO enigma.
Karyn Dolan thanked him, but wondered about other born-again-types who might make their way into UFO research and the threat of fundamentalist-type thinking on something that still remains a mystery. I echoed this, and added that people are generally very good at shoving reality into artificial boxes. Robbins asked some pointed questions of his own, referencing his 15-year tenure with Budd Hopkins, and the failures of prayer in abduction scenarios. Jordan replied that attitude plays an important part. Robbins kept us to our time slot and ended the discussion on a cordial note.
We all shook hands afterwords, and I thanked Jordan for his support, which I’m certain is sincere, but I left the lecture hall with a weird mental aftertaste. While I am very happy and grateful that I got another chance to present my thoughts to an audience, I am slightly worried that a debate with uncompromising Christian theology was included in the bargain, something that I was not aware of when I arrived. Jordan and Ruffino said that their method to stop abductions was the only way that worked, and was effective for everyone, if they accepted Christ.
To their credit, Jordan and his group appear to be pretty tolerant of opposing points of view–they must be, or us heathens would not have been invited. Jordan and other support people (big thank-yous to Amy, Free, Mark and Bill) put in many long hours of very hard work to put on the conference, which came off without any major (and precious few minor) slip-ups. Much of the crew seemed to be unaware of the nature of Jordan’s talk beforehand as well.
There are many types of fundamentalists–social, political, scientific, and religious, among others. The field of UFO studies is no stranger to closed minds, but if conferences and indeed the public debate on the subject is taken over by a religious (and specifically Christian) viewpoint, how long can we expect it to survive and hopefully evolve? I am no slippery-sloper, but anyone who says that they are unequivocally in the right tends to worry me.
In spite of this, I’m looking forward to the next chance to get together with those who have given the UFO subject a lot of careful thought, and to hear what they have concluded. Some of the behind-the-scenes discussions and debates would make great presentations in themselves.
P.S. After comments here and on other sites about my fears that fundamentalist Christians might “take over” the UFO debate, I want to make it clear that I don’t seriously think that this will happen. What might transpire is that more factions with the type of certitude that is not available to all will continue to contribute to an atmosphere that makes most people turn away from taking the UFO subject seriously. Then again, will more clamoring make the “truth” come out faster? Probably not.
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July 10th, 2008 at 7:57 am
I like one of the slogans of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, “Nothing fails like prayer”.
Belief, as a tool, can probably produce effects though, whether it’s used to eliminate abductions or to cause them.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Well, I for one am not that surprised this sort of thing happened, in fact what surprises me is that it hadn’t occurred a long time ago! Certainly the abduction scenario and Ufology in general has had encounters with religious blending in the past (e.g. Betty Andreasson, Giorgio Bongiovanni). If science has among its members people who don’t have a problem mixing their personal beliefs with their professional training, why should UFOs be any different?
From what I read, Jordan did not try to force people into prayer or any kind of thing, he told what he thinks is the truth, without presenting nothing conclusive to support his claims—something I’m sure has happened once or twice on a UFO conference
To be honest, I don’t fear this is going to be a problem, but maybe because I’m seeing it from the point of view of an outsider, and I’m not as “edgy” with all the areas where christians have attained positions of authority in the american society. But the reason for me not to worry is that the UFO community is already to eclectical and iconoclastic to be inffluenced by these trends in a significantly pernicious way.
Then again, if next year these folks start giving away tear-drop shaped consecrated hosts, leave the room and run like Hell
July 10th, 2008 at 10:26 am
I attended the CE4 conference, heard most everything. The final day was a bit awkward because of the clash of very disparate theories, but I admire Joe for taking this on from a faith perspective. Why not? Perhaps this is the very direction of its survival and evolution. Indeed, in a few of those behind-the-scenes discussions, I heard die-hard secularists admitting that there seems to be a spiritual aspect to the UFO phenomena. But do you really think there is a danger that this field will be “taken over” by Christians? After all, you mentioned during your presentation that UFO studies is vast and varied enough to accomodate multiple approaches.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Would the Fundamentalist ETHer’s believers be anything but incensed by anything the Fundamentalist Christian would have to say about UFOs much less alien abuction. I might add that the fundie ETHer’s primarily are Atheists and New Agers who IMHO are as every bit as close minded as any Fundie Christians. Did the ETH crowd honestly expect that the UFO research community would suffer from political and religious creep like everything else humans do? Come on, be serious, will you?
July 10th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
I meant to say ‘would not suffer from ” in the previous comment
July 10th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
I would have been creeped out.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Euphemystic,
Point taken, but I’m not at all sure what abductions “are” yet. Maybe that’s why I’ve been left alone so far.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
RPJ,
Well, I was engaging in bombast to make a point about fundamentalist thinking i.e. “Our way is the only right way to do/ think about things.” You may have noticed that anything of this sort gets me started.
Yes, the X-tians at the conferece were tolerant of other viewpoints, and I made this clear, but they still insisted that their way was the only correct one.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Dr. Chicago,
Yes, there is room for multiple approaches, and no, I don’t really believe that UFO studies will be taken over by Christians, but I do think that when someone or a group declares that theirs is the only proper and right way, it should be held up for public scrutiny and spotlighted.
This is especially true when we take an unknown (aliens/ UFOs) and say it is the result of another unprovable or unknown (Satan/ demons.) Neither phenomenon can be produced on demand, at least on a consistent basis that would satisfy most people.
In my talk at least, I suggested that we look at other points of view without necessarily adhering to any one in particular. There was no suggestion made that I, or anyone else had the true picture of this phenomenon.
Religious belief trumps reason in many cases, and often stops debate. At least Jordan and his group allowed a discussion afterwords, but in the interest of fairness in a public forum, they almost had to.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
crg,
I have picked on the fundie ETH’ers in the past, as well as fundamentalist scientism proponents. I see no difference in my treatment of another sort of fixed belief system in this post.
What I am worried about is one more group of people who feel that their beliefs are the “only true way” added to the already confused mix.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
BenD,
I wasn’t so much “creeped out” as bothered by another encounter with an inflexible philosophy.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
As with just about anything these days, adhering to a singular narrow viewpoint will almost always lead you astray. As one who has experienced “abduction” (there’s that narrow viewpoint again) I suspect that many are ‘touched’ for various reasons and purposes. Mindset may simply be one qualifier, depending on the purpose for the engagement. I have written here before about 17th century theosophist Jane Lead. I want to share a passage she wrote that lends itself directly to this discussion. She describes a particular encounter and invokes ’spirituality’. Her plea is heard and an explanation is given. In my mind, one that makes sense from a scientific/experimental viewpoint, if such is held by those instigating contact. I suspect that Jane Lead was a touchstone of a sort in that she describes in her journal, over the course of several years, almost every single aspect of what is known today as the abduction phenomena.
“March the 22d. 1677.
In the Night, as I was waiting in my wonted solemn Retirement, what might further be administered. I was cast as into a magical Sleep, where I saw my self carried into a Wilderness; where I saw only pleasant, pastoral Walks and Trees, which much suited with my Mind and Inclination there to walk; where I found nothing to disturb my superiour Meditations. In which place I promised my self opportunity, as not willing that either my Name, or Place should be known to any, saving One. But while I was thus pleasured in my reserved state, I suddainly did see one, that was known to me, walking very strait and upright, with a Book reading in his Hand: He seemed to be as one, that would not look awry. But it was said presently, that this Person was a Spy: then presently two more did appear of the Female Sex, both which did make a kind of Assault upon me; but one of the Females was more fierce, and did give my outward Skin a prick, as with a sharp Needle. Upon which I called for Angelical aid to succour me, or else too hard they would be. Whereupon I was parted from them, and saw them in that place no more: A voice, saying, None here shall henceforth come, but such as can agree to walk with thee perfectly. And so the Vision broke up.
The Interpretation.
Some Days after I did further enquire into the more full meaning of this Vision, why such should so conspire against my solitary reserved Life: but especially that one, who was in my Eye of more value, because of a known Life of Truth, and Integrity? I found this written upon my Heart, Their Eyes must for a while be with-held; they will not you know, till ye can get the new Name engraven, as of precious Stones upon your Forehead. For it was secretly whispered to my Spirit, that in some there might be a refined and spiritual Emulation, as in others a more Gross and Sensual. Both of which I had councel, and caution, how to walk with; so as no occasion of stumbling might be given justly to the gainsaying Spirits: Whose pryings were to see how we would walk, while in the Wilderness state.”
I share this passage only as an example, but do agree that the phenomena does at times exhibit a sense of the spiritual. I have always been struck by Barney Hills comment, while under hypnosis, as he experienced the terrifying realization of exactly what he was seeing through the binoculars. He suddenly became calm as simply stated “Maybe this will prove the existence of God”. Isn’t that funny? To look for the existence of God on another planet?”
Funny is as funny does….
July 10th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Jonah, thanks for sharing that. indedd, I do believe the UFO phenomenos is deeply intertwined with what we call “spiritual”, for lack of a better word, and many abductees or experiencers of CEIIIs have filtered their experiences through their particular belief system (take for instance the women and little boy who witnessed a diamond-shaped UFO on Texas in the 80s, one of the women tried to calm his grandkid telling him the object was probably Jesus).
I share with Greg the hope that the people displaying this christian-interpretation trend won’t show the same kind of close-mindedness than other christians in other social areas. If not, I suppose they will eventually find themselves ostracized and unwelcome on the regular UFO conventions, although that would show an unhealthy level of intolerance on behalf of the UFO community; after all, I don’t suppose the doors of th room where they give their lectures was suddently closed to prevent people from escaping!
For my part, I have always found a deep simmilarity between an interest in UFOs, and a theological mentality; Maybe some UFOlogists are using their research to find for a metaphysical answer that better suits their agnostic” materialistic viewpoints (they may think it’s more rational to believe in ETs, than to believe in angels or devils).
One more thing: you state these are the writings of a XVIIth century teosophist. I was under the impression that Teosophy was a very modern philosophical trend, started by Madame Blavatsky in the XIXth century. Could you please explain?
July 10th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
“I have picked on the fundie ETH’ers in the past, as well as fundamentalist scientism proponents. I see no difference in my treatment of another sort of fixed belief system in this post.”
Well said Greg.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Try this for an overview RPJ..
http://www.litencyc.com/php/speople.php?rec=true&UID=2656
I am currently reading VALIS by PKD and am finding a very Sophic bent to it. Both seemed to have shared a “vision”, both prolific writers. This reflects what I meant by “Mindset” and “Purpose”. Lot’s of parallels here. Some may refer to this loosely as part of the “leaky embargo” hypothesis. However, Lead is speaking to us over centuries. A very slow leak indeed. And as to visions, over at RI, Yathrib posted a link to PKD’s ‘Tagore Letter’.
http://ubikcan.wordpress.com/2007/08/16/pkd-document-the-tagore-letter/
Spiritual content of a slightly different sort but relative to where we find ourselves today re: Climate Change.
Loose connections but connections none the less. FWIW
July 10th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Re: the last few comments–I have never denied that there is a definite spiritual component to the UFO enigma. When I say “spiritual,” this is non-denominational. People will tend to place an extraordinary experience in a context that they can understand.
If and when we get to the point that we understand the UFO mystery better, we may find that things which appear numinous to us now may be explained through a logical series of effects on the human mind. This is not to say that it will demean the experience, it may even enhance it, since we may be able to use it to give people a logical basis for their faith.
In the “UFO Coverup Live” show from 1988, one of the “aviary” members said “The aliens worship the universe as a supreme being.” Since they were famous for dispensing bullshit, I wondered where this comment came from, since I found it very insightful. It may have been an attempt to put something into words that we can’t fully grasp or describe very well, at least not yet.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
“Belief, as a tool, can probably produce effects though, whether it’s used to eliminate abductions or to cause them” (Euphemystic)
That is so true but there is more to it than that. What happens when there are two conflicting beliefs, for example, what if Muslims start coming forward to say that invoking the name of Mohammad will stop 100% of all abductions? Why they would be at each other’s throats in a heartbeat, starting yet another Holy War with each side accusing the other of worshiping “a false God”. That is the problem when relying only on beliefs in the pursuit of truth: they eventually attract violent or unstable people looking for a means to justify their madness.
“Jordan then described his group’s success with stopping abductions by invoking the name of Jesus, and how this had worked for them in 100% of cases, which is a pretty stunning hit rate” (Nick)
…and a stunningly false deception. All religions will only list their successes and never their failures, so it should come as no surprise when any religious-minded group or individual claims a “100% success rate”. If any religion were honest about their failure rate — if any religion did not deceive themselves about their success rate — they would not exist.
Jesus said, “If two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven”. On Aug 29th of 2005, millions of Christians around the USA agreed to invoke Jesus’ name in prayer so that New Orleans would be spared from hurricane Katrina. His name failed. His name also failed when millions of Christians agreed to invoke Jesus’ name in prayer so that President Kennedy’s life be spared right after he was shot. His name failed when millions of Christians prayed in agreement together that Pope John Paul’s life be spared. How many thousands of prostitutes and homosexuals has Jesus failed to save out of their prostitution or homosexuality? You can just go downtown and see for yourself but don’t ask anyone who believes in Jesus because Jesus has a 100% success rate, even when Jesus obviously doesn’t even remotely come close to having a 100% success rate. When you are blinded to reality and facts, nothing will convince you otherwise.
“From what I read, Jordan did not try to force people into prayer or any kind of thing, he told what he thinks is the truth, without presenting nothing conclusive to support his claims—something I’m sure has happened once or twice on a UFO conference” (Blue Pill :^)
Amen, but don’t forget that there was one person there who became very visibly upset. Next time it will be two people, then three, and before you know it, there will be a full scale assault.
A scientific approach, on the other hand, doesn’t falsely lead one to claim to have all the answers, like religion pretends it does. A scientific approach doesn’t lead one to falsely claim to save the world, like religion has repeatedly failed to do.
July 12th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Hmm…well, I’ve been hanging out in this evangelical center lately. It’s next door to this pagan store so I just switch back and forth! haha. Anyway this group in there recently (from Texas) kept saying over and over “praise God” and “God willing” — incorporating it into their otherwise “secular” conversation.
So I just pretended I was actually at the Moroccan Cafe around the corner, as the Muslims there talk the same way (only in Arabic) and the same goes for the Somalians (where I often hang out).
Strangely almost immediately I could tolerate the evangelicals - but, just as I can’t convert to Islam — what gets me about religion is how it’s this mind-control trip with the wording.
I mean talk about obessed with wording. I’ll hang in there and finally the question will be popped:
But you do believe that Jesus Christ was a real person who died for our sins right?
Anyway then I’ll start talking about the teachings of Christ and about Greece and Egypt and Judaism, etc. haha.
Then there’s Eusebius and Ireneus — the two dudes who decided which books would be the gospels. Don’t go there! haha.
Oh well: I find exoricism fascinating — especially in the sense of D. Scott Rogo’s amazing book “MIRACLES.” I’ve been carrying that around as my one “permanent” book (that I don’t give away).
Gave away my copy of “Body Snatchers” today that I got at the pagan store.
I do think that “Alien Abductions” are a form of satanic possession, but just as Huxley argued in regards to the nuns and their incubi — more likely the priests were projecting their repressed sexual desires onto the females, thereby causing the demons.
I’m definitely with you Greg in doubting the 100% efficacy of evangelical exorcism of alien abductions.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
I think the key if we really want to arrive at the truth is to be completely unbiased to the big picture.
I used to be a huge believer in aliens for many many years but have come to the exact same firm conclusion like Joe Jordan that UFOs and aliens are demonic in origin. I only came to this point when I was truly willing to be open minded and follow all the evidence from every side and look at the big picture of what the opposition says as well.
It is not only the fact that these beings are stopped by invoking the name of Christ, but it is also what they stand for.
If you listen to people who claim to be in touch with aliens they all have ONE thing in common. The “original sin.”
What did satan tell Eve in the garden when he convinced her to eat of the fruit? He told her that she could become a god. What do you hear today by all these new age ideas like, ‘the secret’ and Eckhart Tolle’s ‘A new Earth.’ They all teach that we are gods or can evolve into gods. Over and over again you hear this today with everything connected to 2012, UFOs, and the Aquarian age. It is quite clear to see the common agenda when you understand that anything connected to the original sin is connected to the great lie. It is even more obvious when you see how many people are actually embracing ’serpent-like’ ideas based around quetzequatel, kundalini energy, serpent races, reptilians, and even the idea of eating the fruit of the tree to find enlightenment. If you believe this you might as well admit you are aligned with a luciferian agenda whether you like it or not.
Satan has never changed his motive or his plan, he has only changed his disguise. The Bible tells us that lucifer disguises himself as an ‘angel of light.’ and deceives with mimics of truth. Remember, lucifer and his demons are fallen angels, this means that they had access to heavenly realms and they use this knowledge to mimic God’s peace in order to prey on the ego and pride of mans sin nature to become god like and do what they want. What do we hear over and over again from people that claim to be in touch with the enlightened masters? They tell that we must become light beings and that we can ‘evolve into gods’ Not only this but they want to reduce the population and form a global world government and religion all in the name of peace and love.
Have you ever wondered why you always hear Christians saying Jesus is the only way? Maybe it is because it really truly does just happen to be the truth and the only way. Could that be possible? I mean why would these Christians get up and say this over and over again unless there was something to it? Is that not worth investigating for yourself? How can we ignore the truth if that is what it truly is? The fact that the truth happens to agree with one religion or another should really be irrelevant if we really want to know what is really going on. That is why Joe Jordan is so calm and willing to hear all sides and points of view without bias because he stands on the side of truth. People’s opposition and outright anger toward the Christian UFO viewpoint does nothing but add credence and strength to the demonic spiritual warfare point of view. After all, many people out there have opened themselves up to so-called ‘alien communication and ’spirit guides’ and if aliens are really demons posing in disguise they probably do not want their hosts to hear this information and truth. This shows that these people might not be enlightened at all but demonically fooled and possessed by an entity that will mimic anything it needs to in order to fool and oppress and could create great anger and internal rage in people to keep them from hearing the truth.
I find it also so interesting how UFO believers don’t seem to mind integrating the religious views of new age and eastern beliefs such as Buddhism, Hinduism, occultism, etc… As an example, I would point out the pictures on the top of this very website. One is of Alister Crowley’s demonic alien buddy, the alien yin yang sign, and the all seeing eye at the top of the page…..interesting. All of these symbols are new age, eastern, and Masonic. Yet your against bringing religion into the picture? I think we should bring EVERYTHING relevant into the mix and the real truth will rise to the top. The second you refuse one persons argument is the second you may miss the truth.
It is quite eye opening to see that it seems every eastern religion is embraced by the new age and ufo movement but when someone brings up Christianity they get angry and close minded. Why? Why is it that the only time you hear them talk about Jesus is when they are telling you his message was really misunderstood and he actually wanted us to realize our own Christ consciousness? Sound familiar? We are right back to the original sin, time and time again. They only like to talk about Christianity if they are trying to prove it wrong or twist the words of Jesus to align with their lies.
This opposition does nothing but strengthen the argument and evidence that UFOs and aliens are indeed anti-Christian and connected to a larger end times deception.
Helena Blavatsky and the theosophical society were planning the emergence of this deception way back in the 1800’s and this is why evolution was so fundamentally important for satan to have as a foundation at that time and this time in order that people can be deceived by the same lie in modern times. Nothing is new under the sun and satan will always mimic the truth and people will always be willingly ignorant to embrace the same lie of the original sin which is rooted in the pride, ego, an sin nature of man to try and deify themselves as gods. I believe this is the key to for all other to arrive at this same conclusion, simply look for the original sin and you will spot it every time. There is only one true God and no one will ever be a god and we cannot worship the Creation instead of the Creator or else we will be tricked into the same old deception.
July 24th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
DLAB,
You wrote,
“I think the key if we really want to arrive at the truth is to be completely unbiased to the big picture.”
..then you went on to describe your opinion looking at the issue with a specifically Christian viewpoint, after admittedly trying others.
Anyone who says that they have the “correct” view of this phenomenon is already suspect to me. I have no hostility for Christians or any other spiritual path. What I am concerned about is dogmatic thinking. The use of any one book or philosophical system as a filter seems to shut out a range of possibilities that I am not willing to exclude. To me, there is just as much objective evidence for “extraterrestrials” as there are for “demons.”
The western, Christian viewpoint of this phenomenon certainly deserves a place at the table of debate, but we should reserve the right to question anyone who claims that they have the “one true answer,” or a path to it.
July 25th, 2008 at 7:46 am
How can you be absolutely sure that there is no ONE real truth? Are you absolutely sure that there are no absolutes? I agree that Christianity and any and all ideas should be challenged and analyzed to see if they hold up to scrutiny. But it first must be allowed in to even be scrutinized in the first place. Just like how people censor the Creationist argument against evolution and the idea of a Creator, people who want aliens to be our saviors do not want to hear that aliens could possibly be demons in disguise. We need to question everything and Christianity was the only thing left standing after all my scrutiny, and it was perfect in it’s purpose. It was the ONE thing that made sense and filled the void and made all the pieces of the puzzle fall into place. You see this seems foreign to us because most of us have wandered through half truths all our lives and have convinced ourselves that there is no truth simply because we have never seen it, and so when we hear someone say they found it we are rightfully skeptical. I would really ask that you and others that may read this be willing to start over with a fresh open mind and forget about the bias lies you have heard about the Bible and Christianity and reexamine the Bible with an unbiased search for truth. I would hope that people scrutinize and question the Bible and bring all other ideas and possibilities and test them against the word of God to see that it does not crumble under scrutiny in any way. This will only make the truth even more obvious. Don’t you see that this is the real reason that people do not like to deal with the Bible is not because of the dogma but because they simply cannot argue against what is real so they willingly ignore it because other people tell them to. Isn’t it interesting that the only things that unbelievers are willing to watch about Jesus and the Bible are things like the Davinci Code or Zeitgeist that claim to disprove it. Make up your own minds and look at the Bible from what true Christians believe, not what non-Christians say about it.
Why is it that so many UFO believers are willing to embrace things that do not hold up to scrutiny like the Urantia book that many many people live by which is purely demonically influenced and not only teaches the original sin that we can evolve into gods as it’s core message but also explains how a person must ask demons to enter them for guidance. But on the other hand ignore and hate the Holy Bible who’s words align with history, archaeology, and science, and who’s prophecies have been fulfilled 100% of the time. Jean Dixon and Edgar Cayce and all these other so called prophets are never right even 60% of the time. That is not a true prophet. They are mimics, half truth and half lie. This is how they are so able to deceive because they add tidbits of true heavenly knowledge about people but then poison it with self deity and the original sin.
These are angry angels set out to muddy the waters of understanding. These are the same ancient demons who for centuries have appeared as incubus and succubus beings causing night terrors and performing sexual acts just like in abduction scenarios. These are the same demonic enlightened masters that have appeared throughout time to impart knowledge and understanding to mankind in exchange for worship and creating false religions and human sacrifice and possession. Nothing is new under the sun and these beings are simply smart enough to change their disguise. The masquerade of appearing as ghosts and ghouls does not work as effectively in our modern world. They knew that in order to deceive smart humans in the scientific mindset that we have today that they must appear as something more technologically advanced than ourselves. Something that has the answers to our questions, something that can provide us with peace and healing and rid us of the wars and pollution of our planet. These are the things that lucifer claims to provide all in the name of goodwill. These are all the same things as well that fulfill end times prophecy and explain the planned deception of the coming antichrist. Mathew 24: 24 tells us that even the elect will be deceived by this coming delusion. Please open your eyes to what is happening people.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
DLAB,
I’m not absoultely sure of anything, except that we should treat others kindly, and I’m fine with that.
July 26th, 2008 at 7:44 am
Agreed, and I apologize if I have come across unkind in any way. Believe me when I tell you that my intentions are nothing but good. I am passionate about this subject and I have nothing but love for you and others here and respect everyones right to disagree with my stance.
God Bless