Comments on: Drugs And UFO Abductions Update

By: Greg Bishop

Greg Bishop — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:43:15 +0000

Athena S,

A great surprise and honor to have you read and comment on my post.

While I (and other readers of The Spirit Molecule) were of course not present during the study, we could only be aware of Strassman’s view of events. Actually, he did allude to this moral dilemma when I spoke with him, which I included in the post.

I believe that he was honest about his change of opinion, considering the strictly scientific discipline from which he was operating at the time. Of course I cannot know what happened between you and Strassman at the time, or in subsequent years.

You and the other people in the study are lucky that the research nurse was more compassionate. Perhaps she (or he) was instrumental in helping Strassman see the value of your subjective experiences.

It might be a good idea for someone to collect the impressions the DMT study members from their point of view for publication, unless you all had to sign some sort of non-disclosure contract.

By: Athena_Sword

Athena_Sword — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:24:53 +0000

I am number 34, “Sara” in the DMT study. If you’ve read the book, you’ll know I had probably the most profound encounter of all the research subjects. Strassman really dismissed our experiences as the time as being only products of our imagination. That was quite a contradiction at the time. The most profound experience of my life (beside the birth of my children) and it’s a product of my imagination? Not all of us who were in the study would agree that Strassman is the great guru, he now portrays himself to be. His research nurse was much more helpful to most of us in processing and understanding our experiences.

By: drew hempel

drew hempel — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 05:04:02 +0000

I’ll just throw my take on this DMT stuff while we’re at it. First of all real spirit travel is based on electromagnetic energy (chi, prana, etc.) while drugs are based on electrochemical energy. Sure DMT type drugs will open up the pineal gland — but so will salvia (which I’ve done) yet it apparently works through the THC-type neuron network. When I did salvia I was doing full-lotus yoga and the salvia ALWAYS triggered multiple internal climaxes — real orgasms — up the back — which then opened up the pineal gland. That’s how the electrochemical energy works and it will create light but if too strong you will black out. The standard medical take on psychotropics is that they shut down the thalamus so that the cerebellum directly downloads visions to the cerebral cortex. So again trance spirit travel — alchemy or yoga or qigong — relies on building up the electrochemical energy to create stronger electromagnetic fields. Usually the traditional DMT users will also practice gender dynamics and fasting (so the males go into the jungle on their own for a long time) — so that’s a type of yoga as well. In the Bushmen culture NO drugs were used for spirit travel unless the females needed help. The electromagnetic energy is male while the electrochemical energy is female. My take is that the “aliens” are just the subconscious reptilian brain as archetypal visions.

By: Greg Bishop

Greg Bishop — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:41:49 +0000

Joseph,

Although some confirmation of communication between people in altered states would be a great to confirm things in a classically logical or scientific way, the nature of “visits” to wherever we go during these episodes may be individualized for a reason (or reasons.) It may be that the only way to access the “alter-realm” is as an individual experience.

That being said, I have heard of people who shared the same “trip.” Two of them were told to me personally. One was from Kevin Booth, who told me about going on an alien ship of all things, along with his buddy, comedian Bill Hicks.

By: Greg Bishop

Greg Bishop — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:10:19 +0000

Mr. Al,

The DMT/ pyschedelic thing is certainly important, but as you say, it’s probably only one “door” to the place where all of this paranormal stuff originates.

By: Greg Bishop

Greg Bishop — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:26:49 +0000

Lesley,

It was the second time I’ve seen him, but the first that I was able to actually speak with him. It’s inspiring to talk to someone who is actually out there doing valuable work instead of just writing about other people’s research.

By: BenDoverEsq.

BenDoverEsq. — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:01:46 +0000

This isn’t ufo related but I remember reading a Stanislav Grof book years ago that dealt with someone seemingly accessing another plane/dimension/whatever. Grof was conducting LSD research in Czechoslovakia. The guy who was tripping encountered a being of light who gave him a name and address and the village he was from. So when they check out the address it turns out it was a mother who had recently lost her son. Anyway, I read the book a long time ago, so I don’t have the details nailed down, but that was the gist of it.

By: Joseph

Joseph — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:33:35 +0000

Since folk like Strassman and McKenna insist that this is an, as yet, unperceived dimension of reality, I’m curious to know if groups of DMT users who dimension hop together happen to meet each other in this other dimension?

I’m reading McKenna’s Archaic Revival and he dances around this question but never actually answers it.

By: Lehmberg

Lehmberg — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:48:09 +0000

I’m glad you’re exploring this. I think it’s an important facet of what’s going on… well beyond any easy dismissal that the abduction enigma can be explained away by dodgy internal chemistry, intoxication, or mind altering drugs.

It’s a grander universe than we can have perceived with the imposed scientific reductionism and abusive Occam flogging. Too, as Terence McKenna said, it’s another reminder to monkeys merely making mouth noises that the answers to these questions are not found so much as they are faced.

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By: Lesley

Lesley — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:07:24 +0000

Lucky you! I have wanted to meet Dr. Strassman for years.