I believe that they had no real opinion on the good or evil inherent in UFOs and whatever is behind them. From what I heard, it seems like they treated the subject more as a scientific problem than a philosophical or moral one.

I don’t know if other governments do the same, although it seems like it would be a good idea if you are in the intelligence racket.

I also would like to know the opinions of these Aviary members on the UFO topic. Did they feel UFOs were a benign or malignant force in human affairs?

And also if some european governments, like the french for instance, have used the same disinfo tactics.

I wouldn’t use Skepdic.com as a source for anything, it’s a useless piece of biased trash. The Targ-Puthoff/Geller relationship was certainly more complicated than that. Targ said quite plainly during testing that Geller was a magician, and that given the chance, he thought Geller would likely cheat. However, they also witnessed a number of rather strange things.

Kind regards,
Greg

I think (and I have said this before) that some people in positions of power have more information on the UFO subject, but no real idea of the origin or purpose of whatever is behind it. They and us are in the same belief system, but perhaps some of them have better proof. Whether that involves aliens on ice or simply more pictures, films, or abduction reports is debatable.

Why would these people (the Aviary members among others) keep asking the same questions after they left government service?

Thanks. More posts like it would include what subjects, in your opinion? I was just downloading info that had been in my brain for many years!

I not sure they were scammed completely. Some of the tests repeated by other scientists and institutions confirmed results. Geller is probably gifted in some way, but his tendency to cheat when things aren’t going right doesn’t tend to win many serious fans.

Short quotes (like a couple of sentences) are fine. Thanks for asking and linking.

As far as the UFO researchers are concerned, it was important. The mistake is when people think that the activties of the Aviary were concerned with keeping secrets about flying saucers.

How does the Aviary “absorb all” while “offering nothing”? In science this would be equivalent to the “negative” matter considered the secret of rotating WORM HOLES, enabling time travel.

In crypto-anthropology though it’s known that just as birds can see magnetic fields, so too can humans time-travel through the nonwestern acoustic oscillation of the pineal gland, the true unidentified flying object of western science.

It would appear that UFO jibberish has nothing to do with Jacque Vallee’s model of a communication learning system between apparitions and scientists. In fact, just as repetition of bird sound does not mean stuttering (contrary to current neuroscience Zebra Finch research), the forced frequency psi-plasma pulse generators of UFOs do communicate directly with something beyond time.

Kurt Godel was the ultimate Aviary member — he looked just like a bird and he practiced self-equiry to the degree of such paranoia that he starved himself to death, just like a Jain saint. Godel stated that Einstein proved time does not exist but Godel also stated that time travel is possible because the person would not DESIRE to change the future - and this is the secret to activating the Reichian vagus-nerve Aviary UFO (pineal gland) worm hole.

You say

“As far as I have been able to determine, they found no smoking gun, but most of them came out of the experience with a confirmed belief that UFOs and their origin was a definite concern to the US Government, but the Aviary members were not able to get to the whole truth.

It is probable that no one really knows the real story, but many of those in positions of power have at least part of the picture, and that the little they do know concerns them enough to keep it from public view.”

It seems no matter who says what on this or which way you look at it, we often come back to this “they know something we don’t” scenario.

I appreciate you are probably speculating in the words I have chosen to highlight but are you able to take these remarks any further?