Comments on: TX UFOs - A Report http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/01/24/tx-ufos-a-report/ UFO News, Views, and More Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:36:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: not_anonymous http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/01/24/tx-ufos-a-report/#comment-4720 not_anonymous Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:56:20 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/tx-ufos-a-report/#comment-4720 Visibility seems to be the critical component here. It seems obvious to me that, top secret aircraft or not, they either wanted this thing to be seen or didn't care if it was seen. I lean strongly towards the former. Is this a reasonable assertion? It seems logical to me, as expressed by many before me on the nature of the Big Black Triangles, that if secrecy was actually the goal they would be doing their tests and training in controlled airspace. At the very least they wouldn't be running around with a spectacular light show. If you were a Chinese or Russian intelligence officer how would you interpret news reports of a flap like this? Visibility seems to be the critical component here. It seems obvious to me that, top secret aircraft or not, they either wanted this thing to be seen or didn’t care if it was seen. I lean strongly towards the former. Is this a reasonable assertion?

It seems logical to me, as expressed by many before me on the nature of the Big Black Triangles, that if secrecy was actually the goal they would be doing their tests and training in controlled airspace. At the very least they wouldn’t be running around with a spectacular light show. If you were a Chinese or Russian intelligence officer how would you interpret news reports of a flap like this?

]]> By: crgintx http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/01/24/tx-ufos-a-report/#comment-4719 crgintx Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:03:31 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/tx-ufos-a-report/#comment-4719 Let me further elaborate about USAF Reserve standard operating procedures. The USAFR does fly during the week but generally 2 or 4 aircraft formations because it takes a great deal of support to put a fighter aircraft into the air and most Reservists are only there on weekends. Many of the pilots have normal full time jobs and it requires them to be there at least 4-6 hours for a one-hour flying mission. For those 10 F-16 aircraft to fly at the same time or even in the same day requires hundreds of support personnel to be present to prepare and recover the aircraft before/after the training mission. It's not like the movies where the pilots are jumping in their aircraft and zooming into combat. Given the supposed $2 trillion of missing Defense spending over the last 30 years, the DoD could have hundreds of secret weapons projects not just aircraft/ufo's. If foreign nations are willing to spend billions on what are basically our second-tier military technology, our bleeding edge/secret military technology would be virtually indistinguishable from what is now considered science fiction. IMHO I firmly believe that the USAF has possessed a single stage to low-earth orbit aero/spacecraft for at least 20 years. Let me further elaborate about USAF Reserve standard operating procedures. The USAFR does fly during the week but generally 2 or 4 aircraft formations because it takes a great deal of support to put a fighter aircraft into the air and most Reservists are only there on weekends. Many of the pilots have normal full time jobs and it requires them to be there at least 4-6 hours for a one-hour flying mission. For those 10 F-16 aircraft to fly at the same time or even in the same day requires hundreds of support personnel to be present to prepare and recover the aircraft before/after the training mission. It’s not like the movies where the pilots are jumping in their aircraft and zooming into combat. Given the supposed $2 trillion of missing Defense spending over the last 30 years, the DoD could have hundreds of secret weapons projects not just aircraft/ufo’s. If foreign nations are willing to spend billions on what are basically our second-tier military technology, our bleeding edge/secret military technology would be virtually indistinguishable from what is now considered science fiction. IMHO I firmly believe that the USAF has possessed a single stage to low-earth orbit aero/spacecraft for at least 20 years.

]]> By: crgintx http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/01/24/tx-ufos-a-report/#comment-4716 crgintx Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:29:40 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/tx-ufos-a-report/#comment-4716 You've misunderstood the training scenario: the the Reserve fighters aren't informed of the target of their intercept mission. After 50 years of ufo disinformation campaign, unconventional, secret military aircraft can operate virtually anytime day or night. Outside hardcore ETH'ers, 95% of the public will ridicule or at least disbelieve everthing short of a crashed ufo on the White House lawn and even then they could blame such an event on terrorists. The Reserve pilots are all debriefed and then the mission is classified Secret Compartmentalized Info and not even the President could get access without a need-to-know basis. That's standard Information-Security procedure. The whole flap could be nothing more than an exercise to see where the real info flows or to gauge public reaction. Do you really believe that Project Beta was the last or only UFO disinfo campaign conducted by the US Intelligence community? You’ve misunderstood the training scenario: the the Reserve fighters aren’t informed of the target of their intercept mission. After 50 years of ufo disinformation campaign, unconventional, secret military aircraft can operate virtually anytime day or night. Outside hardcore ETH’ers, 95% of the public will ridicule or at least disbelieve everthing short of a crashed ufo on the White House lawn and even then they could blame such an event on terrorists. The Reserve pilots are all debriefed and then the mission is classified Secret Compartmentalized Info and not even the President could get access without a need-to-know basis. That’s standard Information-Security procedure. The whole flap could be nothing more than an exercise to see where the real info flows or to gauge public reaction. Do you really believe that Project Beta was the last or only UFO disinfo campaign conducted by the US Intelligence community?

]]> By: not_anonymous http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/01/24/tx-ufos-a-report/#comment-4702 not_anonymous Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:42:00 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/tx-ufos-a-report/#comment-4702 crgintx, How typical would you guess it is for Reserve units to train against top secret aircraft over the general population at low altitudes? I'm not a military man so I have no idea if this is likely or not but on the surface it strikes me as humorous. Is there historical precedent for this...ie Reserve units training against the F-117 in unrestricted airspace while it was still a secret aircraft? If the aircraft is secret it seems like such an exercise would be so visible as to seriously risk compromising the secret...and for the purpose of training some Reserve pilots? crgintx,

How typical would you guess it is for Reserve units to train against top secret aircraft over the general population at low altitudes? I’m not a military man so I have no idea if this is likely or not but on the surface it strikes me as humorous.

Is there historical precedent for this…ie Reserve units training against the F-117 in unrestricted airspace while it was still a secret aircraft? If the aircraft is secret it seems like such an exercise would be so visible as to seriously risk compromising the secret…and for the purpose of training some Reserve pilots?

]]> By: crgintx http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/01/24/tx-ufos-a-report/#comment-4699 crgintx Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:36:27 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/tx-ufos-a-report/#comment-4699 As a former USAF member who was stationed at Fort Worth Joint Reserve Base aka Carswell AFB of the Roswell incident infamy, I can tell you that putting 10 F-16's into the air on a weekday is a quite an undertaking for a Reserve unit. So this tells me that this incident was scheduled because of the amount of support personnel required to deploy that many aircraft. Again, I'll repeat that this was likely a secret military aircraft and the F-16's were likely deployed to train against this type of aircraft. As a former USAF member who was stationed at Fort Worth Joint Reserve Base aka Carswell AFB of the Roswell incident infamy, I can tell you that putting 10 F-16’s into the air on a weekday is a quite an undertaking for a Reserve unit. So this tells me that this incident was scheduled because of the amount of support personnel required to deploy that many aircraft. Again, I’ll repeat that this was likely a secret military aircraft and the F-16’s were likely deployed to train against this type of aircraft.

]]> By: craig york http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/01/24/tx-ufos-a-report/#comment-4688 craig york Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:35:37 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/tx-ufos-a-report/#comment-4688 This gets curiouser and curiouser. I can see the AF getting relevent info lost-its still a Goverment agency, after all-and I tend toward the belief that the real 'secret' that the 'goverment' is keeping is that it doesn't really know anything more than the rest of us. Once again, though, the sense I get out of all of this is how little sense it makes. The range of "craft" sighted, the nature of the sightings ( were there any daytime sightings?)the apparent lack of radar traces...all this points my thoughts in the direction of the ultraterrestrial... This gets curiouser and curiouser. I can see the AF getting relevent info
lost-its still a Goverment agency, after
all-and I tend toward the belief that
the real ’secret’ that the ‘goverment’
is keeping is that it doesn’t really
know anything more than the rest of us.

Once again, though, the sense I get out of all of this is how little sense
it makes. The range of “craft” sighted,
the nature of the sightings ( were there
any daytime sightings?)the apparent lack
of radar traces…all this points my
thoughts in the direction of the ultraterrestrial…

]]> By: red pill junkie http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/01/24/tx-ufos-a-report/#comment-4686 red pill junkie Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:28:15 +0000 http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/tx-ufos-a-report/#comment-4686 Smooth move from the Air Force there...NOT. Smooth move from the Air Force there…NOT.

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