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	<title>Comments on: Intelligent Design, Or Nature?</title>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/09/12/intelligent-design-nature/#comment-3177</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lloyd Pye has an interesting essay entitled &lt;a href="http://www.lloydpye.com/A-Carpenter.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Carpenter Genes&lt;/a&gt; in which he persuasively argues that neither strict Darwinian-based evolution or Intelligent Design as it's currently put forth adequately account for creation.  He also suggests there is another, perhaps more complete solution, but I won't spoil it by telling what it is.  You'll have to read Lloyd's short essay your self.

~R~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lloyd Pye has an interesting essay entitled <a href="http://www.lloydpye.com/A-Carpenter.htm" rel="nofollow">Carpenter Genes</a> in which he persuasively argues that neither strict Darwinian-based evolution or Intelligent Design as it&#8217;s currently put forth adequately account for creation.  He also suggests there is another, perhaps more complete solution, but I won&#8217;t spoil it by telling what it is.  You&#8217;ll have to read Lloyd&#8217;s short essay your self.</p>
<p>~R~</p>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/09/12/intelligent-design-nature/#comment-3172</link>
		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I kick off my "mothershiplanding" blogbook with mention of Simon Conway Morris' explosive book. “The New Orthogenesis?” (evolution due to some vaguely defined force) was the Nature review title of Cambridge University Professor Simon Conway Morris’ 2003 book Life’s Solutions: Humans in a Lonely Universe (CUP, 2004). 

I'm reading John D. Barrow and Frank Tipler's anthropocentric universe tome right now but the latest update is the "biocentric universe" model, arguing that measurement of time is subjective to the type of perception of the organism.

Or as Gurdjieff told Ouspensky:  "Remember Time is Breath."

Which brings me to Yogananda's "breathless ecstasy" claim that humans have the chance of reincarnating as extraterrestrials on planets with a better or more sattva guna.

Yogananda disses the philosophy of Sri Ramana Maharshi who in turn dissed the philosophy of Sri Aurobindo.  I find this conflict of views in Vedanta fascinating.  Aurobindo was such an influence for social "evolution" (via Julian Huxley) that his ashram is now part of UNESCO.  Yogananda was a follower of Ramakrishna who reached fame through the Freemason Vivekananda, calling science the "external path."

Nevertheless I go with  Sri Ramana Maharshi who was considered an avatar of Shiva.  Universal Mind is Female, as the Taoists teach also. Sri Ramana Maharshi stated very radically:

"There is no evolution."

The secret of random spontaneous symmetry breaking from universal mind is actually "randy ohm."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I kick off my &#8220;mothershiplanding&#8221; blogbook with mention of Simon Conway Morris&#8217; explosive book. “The New Orthogenesis?” (evolution due to some vaguely defined force) was the Nature review title of Cambridge University Professor Simon Conway Morris’ 2003 book Life’s Solutions: Humans in a Lonely Universe (CUP, 2004). </p>
<p>I&#8217;m reading John D. Barrow and Frank Tipler&#8217;s anthropocentric universe tome right now but the latest update is the &#8220;biocentric universe&#8221; model, arguing that measurement of time is subjective to the type of perception of the organism.</p>
<p>Or as Gurdjieff told Ouspensky:  &#8220;Remember Time is Breath.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which brings me to Yogananda&#8217;s &#8220;breathless ecstasy&#8221; claim that humans have the chance of reincarnating as extraterrestrials on planets with a better or more sattva guna.</p>
<p>Yogananda disses the philosophy of Sri Ramana Maharshi who in turn dissed the philosophy of Sri Aurobindo.  I find this conflict of views in Vedanta fascinating.  Aurobindo was such an influence for social &#8220;evolution&#8221; (via Julian Huxley) that his ashram is now part of UNESCO.  Yogananda was a follower of Ramakrishna who reached fame through the Freemason Vivekananda, calling science the &#8220;external path.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nevertheless I go with  Sri Ramana Maharshi who was considered an avatar of Shiva.  Universal Mind is Female, as the Taoists teach also. Sri Ramana Maharshi stated very radically:</p>
<p>&#8220;There is no evolution.&#8221;</p>
<p>The secret of random spontaneous symmetry breaking from universal mind is actually &#8220;randy ohm.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/09/12/intelligent-design-nature/#comment-3167</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 06:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worth pointing out that 'Intelligent Design' as a term shouldn't be the exclusive property of religious fundamentalists...Francis Crick was pretty much an ID proponent, although of a different kind. And he was about as far from religious as you could get...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worth pointing out that &#8216;Intelligent Design&#8217; as a term shouldn&#8217;t be the exclusive property of religious fundamentalists&#8230;Francis Crick was pretty much an ID proponent, although of a different kind. And he was about as far from religious as you could get&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/09/12/intelligent-design-nature/#comment-3159</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uth,

What I was trying to suggest was that there may be an "intelligence" inherent in matter, and that we sometimes try to assign something approaching what we think of as a will or thought process to it. That does not make it any less remarkable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uth,</p>
<p>What I was trying to suggest was that there may be an &#8220;intelligence&#8221; inherent in matter, and that we sometimes try to assign something approaching what we think of as a will or thought process to it. That does not make it any less remarkable.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/09/12/intelligent-design-nature/#comment-3158</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yards,

Thanks, though I expect that not everyone will take these comments philosophically. Nothing I can do about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yards,</p>
<p>Thanks, though I expect that not everyone will take these comments philosophically. Nothing I can do about that.</p>
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		<title>By: misteranderson</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/09/12/intelligent-design-nature/#comment-3157</link>
		<dc:creator>misteranderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uth,

If you're interested, you might take a look at Daniel Dennett's "Darwin's Dangerous Idea". What evolution has going for it is it works as a heuristic with massive amounts of time(millions &#38; millions of years). When one uses the word chance it seems to imply an image of intelligence arising in a compressed period of time. Intelligence as manifested as the arising of homo sapiens took a really long fu....ing time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uth,</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested, you might take a look at Daniel Dennett&#8217;s &#8220;Darwin&#8217;s Dangerous Idea&#8221;. What evolution has going for it is it works as a heuristic with massive amounts of time(millions &amp; millions of years). When one uses the word chance it seems to imply an image of intelligence arising in a compressed period of time. Intelligence as manifested as the arising of homo sapiens took a really long fu&#8230;.ing time.</p>
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		<title>By: uth</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/09/12/intelligent-design-nature/#comment-3156</link>
		<dc:creator>uth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with ID is that it is a philosophical belief,  but it's backers want it taught as a science.

Having said that,  I find it hard to swallow that chance alone can account for all the complexity of the biological systems around us, even given millions of years.   While evolutionary processes no doubt happen, I can't help thinking that there is an intelligence guiding it along in places.   We humans, with all our intelligence, can't match the complexity that supposedly occurred by chance.

But the idea of a bearded, white-haired God sitting on a throne doesn't make much sense to me either.   I think that image only serves as comfort to people who have trouble identifying with a non-human creator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with ID is that it is a philosophical belief,  but it&#8217;s backers want it taught as a science.</p>
<p>Having said that,  I find it hard to swallow that chance alone can account for all the complexity of the biological systems around us, even given millions of years.   While evolutionary processes no doubt happen, I can&#8217;t help thinking that there is an intelligence guiding it along in places.   We humans, with all our intelligence, can&#8217;t match the complexity that supposedly occurred by chance.</p>
<p>But the idea of a bearded, white-haired God sitting on a throne doesn&#8217;t make much sense to me either.   I think that image only serves as comfort to people who have trouble identifying with a non-human creator.</p>
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		<title>By: red pill junkie</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/09/12/intelligent-design-nature/#comment-3154</link>
		<dc:creator>red pill junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those ID fellows should re-watch the old "Planet of the Apes" movies. Good criticism of the idea that all sentient beings think they are made "in God's image". What most fundamentalists fail to imagine is that God LOVES variety.

And He/She may love fooling round too...
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those ID fellows should re-watch the old &#8220;Planet of the Apes&#8221; movies. Good criticism of the idea that all sentient beings think they are made &#8220;in God&#8217;s image&#8221;. What most fundamentalists fail to imagine is that God LOVES variety.</p>
<p>And He/She may love fooling round too&#8230;<br />
 <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Yards</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/09/12/intelligent-design-nature/#comment-3152</link>
		<dc:creator>Yards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*applause*
Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*applause*<br />
Yes.</p>
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