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		<title>By: Richelle Hawks</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/09/12/here-come-the-visitors/#comment-3926</link>
		<dc:creator>Richelle Hawks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that there's anything wrong with vanity presses.  It's just that many choosing such a forum could use some real editing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with vanity presses.  It&#8217;s just that many choosing such a forum could use some real editing.</p>
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		<title>By: Richelle Hawks</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/09/12/here-come-the-visitors/#comment-3925</link>
		<dc:creator>Richelle Hawks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This book is published by a vanity press, hence the low quality cover, strange abstract and author bio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This book is published by a vanity press, hence the low quality cover, strange abstract and author bio.</p>
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		<title>By: mouseonmoon</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/09/12/here-come-the-visitors/#comment-3169</link>
		<dc:creator>mouseonmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to be 'common sense' that there's more than 
"a single, all-encompassing explanation" for 'all things UFO'.

Didn't u guys note this &#62;"The appearances and activities of the disks
 and their occupants appear too varied for them all to hail from a single
 point of origin. Although the demonic scenario appears to be the major
 cause of flying saucer phenomena, it is unlikely the only one."

Personally, i'm always reminded of the quip from Arthur C. Clark &#62;
'any advanced technology will seem to be magic'.

I'm reminded of the "Cargo Cults" in the Pacific.

I'm reminded of the first time I heard Art Bell and he was interviewing Merle Haggard &#62; who talked about watching some UFOs and his thinking
that this planet is very interesting to all kinds of 'beings and entities'....

But it's easy to see why ET has 'ruled' the skies since '47. Maj. Keyhoe by 1950  pretty much said it's ET and the the gov is coverin' up. With the influence of NICAP and Hollywood,
so it goes....

 James  McDonald considered 8 "principal UFO hypotheses":

1Hoaxes, fabrications, and frauds.
2Hallucination, mass hysteria, rumor phenomena.
3Lay misinterpretations of well-known physical phenomena
4Semi-secret advanced technology 

5Poorly understood physical phenomena 
6Poorly understood psychological phenomena.
7Extraterrestrial devices of some surveillance nature.
8Spaceships bringing messengers of terrestrial salvation and occult truth.

Not sure if 'poorly understood'  biological phenomena  or 'other entity' types
are included here.

But actually there's always been an 'undercurrent' suggesting an End Times 'demonic' explanation &#62; see esp Greg's music selection
(When You See Those) Flying Saucers by the Buchanan Brothers.

(they weren't 'jokin')

Those groups of 'discs' sighted multiple times from 47 to 52 is one 'category' that should be focused on.....looks like 'scouts to me' (maybe 'joyriders' ?)

But if U have 'super-technology' why wouldn't u mess around with 'spaceship designs'  just to keep US off-balance, or 'jus for the fun of it' .

McDonald's 'final thoughts' are worth considering in this thread &#62;

"The defense of the extraterrestrial hypothesis by Keyhoe, and later many others (still not within what are conventionally regarded as scientific circles), has had little impact on the
 scientific community, which based its write-off of the UFO problem
 on press accounts and official assurances that careful investigations
 were turning up nothing that suggested phenomena beyond present scientific explanation. Hypothesis No. 7 has thus received short
 shrift from science to date. 

As one scientist who has gone to some effort to try to examine the facts,
 I say that this has been an egregious, if basically unwitting, scientific error -
 an error that must be rectified with minimum further delay. On the basis of
 the evidence I have examined, and on the basis of my own weighing of 
alternative hypotheses (including some not listed above), I now regard
 Hypothesis 7 as the one most likely to prove correct. My scientific instincts
 lead me to hedge that prediction just to the extent of suggesting that if the UFOs
 are not of extramundane origin, then I suspect that they will prove to be something
 very much more bizarre, something of perhaps even greater scientific interest
 than extraterrestrial devices."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to be &#8216;common sense&#8217; that there&#8217;s more than<br />
&#8220;a single, all-encompassing explanation&#8221; for &#8216;all things UFO&#8217;.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t u guys note this &gt;&#8221;The appearances and activities of the disks<br />
 and their occupants appear too varied for them all to hail from a single<br />
 point of origin. Although the demonic scenario appears to be the major<br />
 cause of flying saucer phenomena, it is unlikely the only one.&#8221;</p>
<p>Personally, i&#8217;m always reminded of the quip from Arthur C. Clark &gt;<br />
&#8216;any advanced technology will seem to be magic&#8217;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of the &#8220;Cargo Cults&#8221; in the Pacific.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of the first time I heard Art Bell and he was interviewing Merle Haggard &gt; who talked about watching some UFOs and his thinking<br />
that this planet is very interesting to all kinds of &#8216;beings and entities&#8217;&#8230;.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s easy to see why ET has &#8216;ruled&#8217; the skies since &#8216;47. Maj. Keyhoe by 1950  pretty much said it&#8217;s ET and the the gov is coverin&#8217; up. With the influence of NICAP and Hollywood,<br />
so it goes&#8230;.</p>
<p> James  McDonald considered 8 &#8220;principal UFO hypotheses&#8221;:</p>
<p>1Hoaxes, fabrications, and frauds.<br />
2Hallucination, mass hysteria, rumor phenomena.<br />
3Lay misinterpretations of well-known physical phenomena<br />
4Semi-secret advanced technology </p>
<p>5Poorly understood physical phenomena<br />
6Poorly understood psychological phenomena.<br />
7Extraterrestrial devices of some surveillance nature.<br />
8Spaceships bringing messengers of terrestrial salvation and occult truth.</p>
<p>Not sure if &#8216;poorly understood&#8217;  biological phenomena  or &#8216;other entity&#8217; types<br />
are included here.</p>
<p>But actually there&#8217;s always been an &#8216;undercurrent&#8217; suggesting an End Times &#8216;demonic&#8217; explanation &gt; see esp Greg&#8217;s music selection<br />
(When You See Those) Flying Saucers by the Buchanan Brothers.</p>
<p>(they weren&#8217;t &#8216;jokin&#8217;)</p>
<p>Those groups of &#8216;discs&#8217; sighted multiple times from 47 to 52 is one &#8216;category&#8217; that should be focused on&#8230;..looks like &#8217;scouts to me&#8217; (maybe &#8216;joyriders&#8217; ?)</p>
<p>But if U have &#8217;super-technology&#8217; why wouldn&#8217;t u mess around with &#8217;spaceship designs&#8217;  just to keep US off-balance, or &#8216;jus for the fun of it&#8217; .</p>
<p>McDonald&#8217;s &#8216;final thoughts&#8217; are worth considering in this thread &gt;</p>
<p>&#8220;The defense of the extraterrestrial hypothesis by Keyhoe, and later many others (still not within what are conventionally regarded as scientific circles), has had little impact on the<br />
 scientific community, which based its write-off of the UFO problem<br />
 on press accounts and official assurances that careful investigations<br />
 were turning up nothing that suggested phenomena beyond present scientific explanation. Hypothesis No. 7 has thus received short<br />
 shrift from science to date. </p>
<p>As one scientist who has gone to some effort to try to examine the facts,<br />
 I say that this has been an egregious, if basically unwitting, scientific error -<br />
 an error that must be rectified with minimum further delay. On the basis of<br />
 the evidence I have examined, and on the basis of my own weighing of<br />
alternative hypotheses (including some not listed above), I now regard<br />
 Hypothesis 7 as the one most likely to prove correct. My scientific instincts<br />
 lead me to hedge that prediction just to the extent of suggesting that if the UFOs<br />
 are not of extramundane origin, then I suspect that they will prove to be something<br />
 very much more bizarre, something of perhaps even greater scientific interest<br />
 than extraterrestrial devices.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: red pill junkie</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/09/12/here-come-the-visitors/#comment-3162</link>
		<dc:creator>red pill junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a valid point crgintx; but it might backfire since those same down-to-earth folks might take a quick glance at the cover and think it's a sci-fi novel, or something not serious enough to bother.

Personally, the very BEST cover for a UFO book has definitely got to be Strieber's "Communion". You couldn't escape the look of that thing staring at you from the book stands. You HAD to grab the book, at least to have a closer look to the cover. From an strict marketing point it was a brilliant idea; and it may be one of the reasons the stereotype of the gray alien became he dominant one in Ufology and even the mainstream. 

And for me, the moment I saw the book I was almost FORCED to buy it, it wasn't even an option to leave the store without it; kind of like that Mel Gibson's character in the movie "Conspiracy Theory" with the book "Catcher in the Rye". The same thing happened with "Transformation" too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a valid point crgintx; but it might backfire since those same down-to-earth folks might take a quick glance at the cover and think it&#8217;s a sci-fi novel, or something not serious enough to bother.</p>
<p>Personally, the very BEST cover for a UFO book has definitely got to be Strieber&#8217;s &#8220;Communion&#8221;. You couldn&#8217;t escape the look of that thing staring at you from the book stands. You HAD to grab the book, at least to have a closer look to the cover. From an strict marketing point it was a brilliant idea; and it may be one of the reasons the stereotype of the gray alien became he dominant one in Ufology and even the mainstream. </p>
<p>And for me, the moment I saw the book I was almost FORCED to buy it, it wasn&#8217;t even an option to leave the store without it; kind of like that Mel Gibson&#8217;s character in the movie &#8220;Conspiracy Theory&#8221; with the book &#8220;Catcher in the Rye&#8221;. The same thing happened with &#8220;Transformation&#8221; too.</p>
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		<title>By: crgintx</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RPJ, I haven't yet read the book but from what I can tell from conversations with the rest of the disinterested public, anything that doesn't adhere to the ETH explanation for UFO's is considered even more out there than the ETH.  Especially among the more well educated folks.  Star Trek's thinking is too far forward for them.  The vast majority of our Western culture is too busy trying to get ahead to devote serious time and study to the subject of the paranormal.  It's likely this book is aimed more at them then us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RPJ, I haven&#8217;t yet read the book but from what I can tell from conversations with the rest of the disinterested public, anything that doesn&#8217;t adhere to the ETH explanation for UFO&#8217;s is considered even more out there than the ETH.  Especially among the more well educated folks.  Star Trek&#8217;s thinking is too far forward for them.  The vast majority of our Western culture is too busy trying to get ahead to devote serious time and study to the subject of the paranormal.  It&#8217;s likely this book is aimed more at them then us.</p>
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		<title>By: red pill junkie</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/09/12/here-come-the-visitors/#comment-3153</link>
		<dc:creator>red pill junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author suggests we should look beyond the extraterrestrial explanation in the UFO phenomenon...

And yet her publisher decides to use an outdated STAR TREK NEXT GEN font type for the cover art?? Kind of a mixed message there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author suggests we should look beyond the extraterrestrial explanation in the UFO phenomenon&#8230;</p>
<p>And yet her publisher decides to use an outdated STAR TREK NEXT GEN font type for the cover art?? Kind of a mixed message there&#8230;</p>
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