I have followed your work with TEM almost since you began.

I bought and read Project Beta in the first week it was available and have followed that saga closely.

This link is to something I wrote many years ago, having discovered that Bill Moore taught at my ex-wife’s high school in the tiny town of Herman, MN, pop. 600 at the time.

Stanton Friedman wrote about meeting Moore in his book Top Secret/Majic, and he has since been evasive about his relationship with Moore.

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg66573.html

Hynek may have fallen into the category of the scientist who, through government association of his work on the subject, might have become privy to certain things he never admitted publicly yet did not know the whole picture. I wouldn’t be surprised if a non-disclosure agreement or two turned up with his signature. Sometimes one must play by the rules of others’ to make progress in their game.

Consider that Hynek did know more than he admitted, in regard to what the USG knows, and his work was as much a pointer to the truth for other investigators as much as it was an avenue where he himself did not already know the answer.

What if you were shown the timeline of your own child’s life, every event, every decision good or bad, every joy, every sorrow? What if the joys were a result of the combination of all the sorrows and decisions, right and wrong? You would definitely consider intervening at times so that your child would avoid the sorrows and mistakes, because you want the best for them.

But what if you were also shown a disastrous fate for that child, should you reveal to them what you knew, and therefore understood that the best course of action was non-intervention, letting it play out?

Yeah, we’ve seen this example a thousand times on Twilight Zone, and give lip service to the concept, but really consider it.

What if Hynek did know more than he admitted? What if there is some truth to the whole phenomena that sufficiently supports and demands the need for secrecy?

I’m not talking mere national security, nor even the security of the social fabric. Screw the religious fundamentalists who will shit their philosophical pants when they learn their dogma is dog-crap. I’m talking about the possibility of something far more fundamental to our very being that might require the masses be in the dark on because, perhaps, a knee-jerk intervention of the herd will cause insurmountable problems.

Or what if all of this UFO stuff along with related phenomena are part of a process each individual must work out for themselves to progress through the various levels of existence? Maybe the very nature of the phenomena — which I believe are materially real, not just psychological — must be personal to work and those who don’t figure it out can just suck eggs, as far as the universe is concerned?

Think about it. What if our potential is become a multi-dimensional being, therefore leaving an imprint on more levels of reality? What if the universe can only sustain so many? That makes it a pretty exclusive club, right? Why the hell should the masses be given the answers to a series of questions it is the individual’s responsibility to find the answers to?

I see the ‘everyone has the right to know’ outlook as likely a product of 1960s brand of American socialism. Quite frankly, I see people walking around who no way in hell would I want them to know some of the secrets of the universe, because I can pretty well guess what they’d waste them on.

So, sometimes there are compelling reasons for the layers, and sometimes when you are privy to the reasons, you immediately understand the secrecy. And you play along.

Of course, sometimes, reasons for secrecy can be deceptions themselves and the above does not apply.

Guess what then?

It comes back down to the individual and the choices he or she must face and make in order to do the right thing. Which is still on the board in this game of advancement as beings.

See why I despise collectivism and socialism? It’s the lazy way of the ignorant child who wants their lollipop right now instead of in due time, and if they don’t get it then no one will get their lollipops.

This game or maze we call life and reality ultimately depends upon the INDIVIDUAL… not the comfort of nor the judgement of the masses. It is the INDIVIDUAL who must cast his or her vote for the public tally. It is the INDIVIDUAL who must ultimately decide how much to go along with the masses, and when to step away from them.

Perhaps Hynek, and others, knew this and did the best he could for the objective at hand. What he know or what he didn’t is not so important as what those inspired by him would come to know through their own, individual investigation.

So, I say the debate wastes valuable time we coould all be investigating…

Sorry about the long way around, but there is often wisdom and truth in my stepping off the straight path.

Take it or leave it. At your own peril.

Heh heh heh

But what to make of the ‘governmet scientist’ who ‘predicted’ a UFO wave for the east coast … and the guy who shows him a report that his superior officer has ordered destroyed ?

Ruppelt’s “Report…” is required reading,
UFOlogy 101

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I can listen to what Moore has to say, but as I said in the post, I want to get some sort of confirmation. I don’t think he would have said anything about Hynek if he didn’t want me to question it. Unlike some people in this field, he doesn’t seem to care if I check out what he says. People lose their credibility when they simply repeat things that others have said without confirming evidence, and present it as truth.

Heroes are not often saints, but this story about Hynek would be interesting if true. The reason I put it on the site is that there may be someone reading the post who isn’t afraid to get to the truth, no matter what it might be.

I think that if Hynek knew the “truth” about government involvement with UFOs (whatever that might be) he would not have kept running all over the planet seeking more evidence and starting such a respected organization as CUFOS. If all that activity was a coverup, it would be far worse than simply delivering a fake computer program to a UFO researcher.

If this really did happen, Hynek may not have known what was in the computer, or what it was for when he dropped it off.

I did not mean to imply that Hynek was a computer scientist, that’s why I said the person who created the fake program was “unnamed.”

I’m sure a lot of you has probably wondered, as I have on numerous occasions, WHAT exactly hapens after the end of tha movie.

Would the government still keep their mouth shut or would they communicate to the public that they had just made first unquestionable contact with a non-human civilization?

For what you can imply from the mvie, my bet is they would keep quiet. And if Hynek was there, that means HE would keep quiet too.

I have always wondered, did he manage to know more about UFOs that what he made public? I don’t know.

But I do kow that these things are the basis for the building of myths like SERPO and CARET. so yes, I would be skeptical abou Moore’s claims too, as misteanderson. We know he has not been comlpeltely truthful in the past, why should we believe him now? on anything?

I was telling the Bennewitz story to a friend of mine yesterday. It was in the context of the “alien sex ship” Church of the Subgenius to which he belongs. He agreed that someone in Bennewitz’ position was almost poised to be put in degrangement but nevertheless it is of Greek tragic potential.

When I was doing a lot of high profile activism with my phone tapped, my email destroyed, my highly placed collaborator fired and one mysterious death (Wellstone), being paranoid was a given and too uncomfortable position to be in. Then it kind of slides into this post-apocalyptic blissful glaze of strangeness.

Thanks for the latest expose.

But I as once again (please check my last comment in the previous thread) When then does one draw the line?

That’s why I say that sometimes this hobby of us can turn into a destructive addiction. This desperate need to know, that it only increases as one gets older. I’m 33 and I would like to think I will find the truth to this thing within my lietime. I’m sure Hynek would have wanted that too.