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		<title>By: The_Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/08/14/mj12-required-reading/#comment-2872</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were the MJ-12 documents were not obtained via any legitimate means, say like the Freedom of Information Act or an archaeological dig or the dumpster of some military installation? No, the MJ-12 documents were discovered in the mailbox of a Hollywood producer.

Stop! A huge red flag should immediately go up right here. A questionable source allegedly mails a copy of a unverifiable document to a Hollywood producer? What scientific purpose could a Hollywood producer serve? None whatsoever. The junk mail of someone's mailbox is hardly considered a 'legitimate scientific source'. Any reasonable person, much less a scientifically-mindful person, would reject any such material from the outset.

The MJ-12 documents were riddled with scientific gaffs and blunders from the beginning, so how could any reasonable person take this stuff seriously? Maybe because the UFO community does not know how to be reasonable?

I suppose there could be a conspiracy to undermine the credibility of the UFO community, I mean, I've read how the CIA went to a lot of trouble to create the grocery store tabloid National Enquirer, in order to promote the giggle factor for legitimate UFO sightings and researchers. Why would the (once) credible CIA go to such enormous lengths to discredit UFOs, if they weren't real (or real important) to begin with?

So while I am disgusted with the whole MJ-12 fiasco, I do not condemn everyone involved for it, for they may be victims of a conspiracy. On the other hand I see it as a "fool me once, shame on you -- fool me twice, shame on me". Let's hope that everyone involved learned their lesson and won't be taken in again. There would be no excuse then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were the MJ-12 documents were not obtained via any legitimate means, say like the Freedom of Information Act or an archaeological dig or the dumpster of some military installation? No, the MJ-12 documents were discovered in the mailbox of a Hollywood producer.</p>
<p>Stop! A huge red flag should immediately go up right here. A questionable source allegedly mails a copy of a unverifiable document to a Hollywood producer? What scientific purpose could a Hollywood producer serve? None whatsoever. The junk mail of someone&#8217;s mailbox is hardly considered a &#8216;legitimate scientific source&#8217;. Any reasonable person, much less a scientifically-mindful person, would reject any such material from the outset.</p>
<p>The MJ-12 documents were riddled with scientific gaffs and blunders from the beginning, so how could any reasonable person take this stuff seriously? Maybe because the UFO community does not know how to be reasonable?</p>
<p>I suppose there could be a conspiracy to undermine the credibility of the UFO community, I mean, I&#8217;ve read how the CIA went to a lot of trouble to create the grocery store tabloid National Enquirer, in order to promote the giggle factor for legitimate UFO sightings and researchers. Why would the (once) credible CIA go to such enormous lengths to discredit UFOs, if they weren&#8217;t real (or real important) to begin with?</p>
<p>So while I am disgusted with the whole MJ-12 fiasco, I do not condemn everyone involved for it, for they may be victims of a conspiracy. On the other hand I see it as a &#8220;fool me once, shame on you &#8212; fool me twice, shame on me&#8221;. Let&#8217;s hope that everyone involved learned their lesson and won&#8217;t be taken in again. There would be no excuse then.</p>
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		<title>By: red pill junkie</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/08/14/mj12-required-reading/#comment-2870</link>
		<dc:creator>red pill junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There definitely should be a movie about this whole MJ-12 saga. Evenwithout aliens the thickening plot is... well... fascinating!

And disturbing too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There definitely should be a movie about this whole MJ-12 saga. Evenwithout aliens the thickening plot is&#8230; well&#8230; fascinating!</p>
<p>And disturbing too.</p>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/08/14/mj12-required-reading/#comment-2857</link>
		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look Greg I refuse to watch the Haiti video and I starting scanning this new report, fresh after reading your alchemical text of ecstacy.  Are there any awesome dead-pan jokes in this report?  PROOF that Spark is a cloned alien conjured by Freemasons to cause rigor mortis to quick-dry the minds of all true either-or thinkers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look Greg I refuse to watch the Haiti video and I starting scanning this new report, fresh after reading your alchemical text of ecstacy.  Are there any awesome dead-pan jokes in this report?  PROOF that Spark is a cloned alien conjured by Freemasons to cause rigor mortis to quick-dry the minds of all true either-or thinkers.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Redfern</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/08/14/mj12-required-reading/#comment-2855</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys:

Certainly, there are a number of significant things in the report that I would disagree with too; however, for anyone with a deep interest in the MJ12 saga, it IS required reading - for the sake of just trying to get a full historic picture, and the revelations from the Pratt files and tape-recordings, if nothing else.

That was my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys:</p>
<p>Certainly, there are a number of significant things in the report that I would disagree with too; however, for anyone with a deep interest in the MJ12 saga, it IS required reading - for the sake of just trying to get a full historic picture, and the revelations from the Pratt files and tape-recordings, if nothing else.</p>
<p>That was my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/08/14/mj12-required-reading/#comment-2853</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 04:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven't read it all, but I notice that they reference "Project Beta" on numerous occasions. Strange that neither Sparks or Greenwood asked either myself or Bill anything about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read it all, but I notice that they reference &#8220;Project Beta&#8221; on numerous occasions. Strange that neither Sparks or Greenwood asked either myself or Bill anything about this.</p>
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		<title>By: uv777bk</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/08/14/mj12-required-reading/#comment-2852</link>
		<dc:creator>uv777bk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 04:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, 99+% of all ufology is probably disinformation.  I hardly think any amount of finger-pointing by ex-CIA officers is going to do too much to further muddy those waters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, 99+% of all ufology is probably disinformation.  I hardly think any amount of finger-pointing by ex-CIA officers is going to do too much to further muddy those waters.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenn Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenn Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean Jesus really wasn't some kind of alien holographic projection? Still, the author could have spent more than just seventy pages on these late 80s UFO rants and how they may or may not be connected to the MJ12 docs.

Sorry, Nick, but I could have missed this. The treatment of the CT memo alone was just enough to be annoying -- this time the memo was too similar to a previous one, instead of too different from others. Not a mention of the Lew Douglas memo.

The telltale stylistic detail that shows this kind of thing up as self-aggrandizement is the "well, folks" statement, and then on to some condescending remark. It's hard to take it seriously as research, especially when the author hints that he knows the real truth about Roswell, but just can't reveal it here.

The evidence of Air Force disinfo in the UFO world is quite abundant. It's one thing to report on the fog, quite another to see through it. It takes more than Sparks.

Also, no one ever notices that the decryption program in Japan that Menzel worked on officially was called MAJIC. Tha has to be a coincidence of some significance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean Jesus really wasn&#8217;t some kind of alien holographic projection? Still, the author could have spent more than just seventy pages on these late 80s UFO rants and how they may or may not be connected to the MJ12 docs.</p>
<p>Sorry, Nick, but I could have missed this. The treatment of the CT memo alone was just enough to be annoying &#8212; this time the memo was too similar to a previous one, instead of too different from others. Not a mention of the Lew Douglas memo.</p>
<p>The telltale stylistic detail that shows this kind of thing up as self-aggrandizement is the &#8220;well, folks&#8221; statement, and then on to some condescending remark. It&#8217;s hard to take it seriously as research, especially when the author hints that he knows the real truth about Roswell, but just can&#8217;t reveal it here.</p>
<p>The evidence of Air Force disinfo in the UFO world is quite abundant. It&#8217;s one thing to report on the fog, quite another to see through it. It takes more than Sparks.</p>
<p>Also, no one ever notices that the decryption program in Japan that Menzel worked on officially was called MAJIC. Tha has to be a coincidence of some significance.</p>
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