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		<title>By: red pill junkie</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/07/20/an-early-contactee/#comment-2655</link>
		<dc:creator>red pill junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there is a tradition of going to the desert or isolated places to establish some sort of contact. And we should refrain on just assuming that for interstellar travellers who wish to mantain a low profile, it is easier to meet people away from populated areas, as this has clearly not been the case in many reports. You might be right on especulating about altered states of conscience on "places of power".

In Latin America we have the case of Sixto Paz, who back when he was a young man began receiving messages in the form of automatic writing from beings who lived in Jupiter's moon Ganymede. After a while they (he and his friends and brother) established contacts with the "space brothers" in the desert of Chilca, Peru (deserts once again). The beings he described were not the typical "nordics", he claimed they bore asiatic or mongoloid features (slanted eyes, etc). The story became famous after a young spanish reporter named J.J. Benítez wrote a book about it; this reporter went then to investigate a lot of UFO cases and then to write the famous (at least in spanish-speaking countries) series of books Caballo de Troya, in which he describes beings that have a strong resemblance with Adamski's venusians, but in this case they are depicted as angels in the times of Jesus of Nazaret. He even used the location of Adamski's tomb in Arlington in the 1st book's plot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there is a tradition of going to the desert or isolated places to establish some sort of contact. And we should refrain on just assuming that for interstellar travellers who wish to mantain a low profile, it is easier to meet people away from populated areas, as this has clearly not been the case in many reports. You might be right on especulating about altered states of conscience on &#8220;places of power&#8221;.</p>
<p>In Latin America we have the case of Sixto Paz, who back when he was a young man began receiving messages in the form of automatic writing from beings who lived in Jupiter&#8217;s moon Ganymede. After a while they (he and his friends and brother) established contacts with the &#8220;space brothers&#8221; in the desert of Chilca, Peru (deserts once again). The beings he described were not the typical &#8220;nordics&#8221;, he claimed they bore asiatic or mongoloid features (slanted eyes, etc). The story became famous after a young spanish reporter named J.J. Benítez wrote a book about it; this reporter went then to investigate a lot of UFO cases and then to write the famous (at least in spanish-speaking countries) series of books Caballo de Troya, in which he describes beings that have a strong resemblance with Adamski&#8217;s venusians, but in this case they are depicted as angels in the times of Jesus of Nazaret. He even used the location of Adamski&#8217;s tomb in Arlington in the 1st book&#8217;s plot.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonah</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/07/20/an-early-contactee/#comment-2636</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 03:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is extremely rare in the literature that I've read that abductees are given specific warnings such as Kithra described. Rather, they tend to display scenes of possible potential destruction which could be the result of either (or an interstellar mishap of some sort for that matter). Much of it is then framed by the mindset of the witness. Back then, Nukes were the issue (and they remain a concern). Today, because of our technological advancement, there are more of us than ever which then leads to the idea of sustainability (or lack thereof). Therefor, both interpretations of the more general message are essentially correct. The difference between the messages brought back by Contactees vs Abductees tends to be "we're here to help or save you" vs "your on a dangerous path and we don't plan to do a thing about it, here are the possibilities if you fail to take heed - you've been warned".

I tend to suspect the reality may be the latter of the two. The genetic aspect of the abduction scenario and the collection of specimens re: biodiversity  (possibly just in case reseeding is necessary) as sometimes witnessed tend to support this hypothesis.

I know I'm going the extra mile here, but if you've never considered this, well then, now you will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is extremely rare in the literature that I&#8217;ve read that abductees are given specific warnings such as Kithra described. Rather, they tend to display scenes of possible potential destruction which could be the result of either (or an interstellar mishap of some sort for that matter). Much of it is then framed by the mindset of the witness. Back then, Nukes were the issue (and they remain a concern). Today, because of our technological advancement, there are more of us than ever which then leads to the idea of sustainability (or lack thereof). Therefor, both interpretations of the more general message are essentially correct. The difference between the messages brought back by Contactees vs Abductees tends to be &#8220;we&#8217;re here to help or save you&#8221; vs &#8220;your on a dangerous path and we don&#8217;t plan to do a thing about it, here are the possibilities if you fail to take heed - you&#8217;ve been warned&#8221;.</p>
<p>I tend to suspect the reality may be the latter of the two. The genetic aspect of the abduction scenario and the collection of specimens re: biodiversity  (possibly just in case reseeding is necessary) as sometimes witnessed tend to support this hypothesis.</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m going the extra mile here, but if you&#8217;ve never considered this, well then, now you will.</p>
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		<title>By: kithra</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/07/20/an-early-contactee/#comment-2635</link>
		<dc:creator>kithra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I too thought of those Nordics when reading about the Venusians. And, it also occurs to me that back in those days the contactees, (and then later the abductees), were being warned about earth’s nuclear activities. But now, abductees say they’re being given warnings about global warming and the environment. Strange how the warnings change according to which “danger” seems to be uppermost in society’s mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I too thought of those Nordics when reading about the Venusians. And, it also occurs to me that back in those days the contactees, (and then later the abductees), were being warned about earth’s nuclear activities. But now, abductees say they’re being given warnings about global warming and the environment. Strange how the warnings change according to which “danger” seems to be uppermost in society’s mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenn Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/07/20/an-early-contactee/#comment-2633</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenn Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Nick,

Three things interested me about this blog entry:

1. The similarity between the blonde-haired Venusians and the Nordics that Eisenhower supposedly met and with whom he alledgedly signed a treaty.

2. FATE sent Arnold to investigate Samuel Eaton Thompson? This is Ray Palmer, who also sent Arnold to investigate Maury Island. What, was Arnold Palmer's regular investigator? What other stories did he look into?

Of course, this is coming from Jim Mosely, who seems to think "a recent internet posting" constitutes reportable investigation.

3. In support of the commonality of contactee visionary experiences happening in remote mountainous and desert regions: I've done work on the life of a civil rights activist in St. Louis named Ernest Calloway who had a contactee-type experience in the Baja mountains in 1933 (pre-dating Thompson by many years). When he returned to Kentucky, his ambition was to get an article published on what contributed to his altered state: marijuana. Instead, he could only find a market for article on the labor conditions in Kentucky coal mines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Nick,</p>
<p>Three things interested me about this blog entry:</p>
<p>1. The similarity between the blonde-haired Venusians and the Nordics that Eisenhower supposedly met and with whom he alledgedly signed a treaty.</p>
<p>2. FATE sent Arnold to investigate Samuel Eaton Thompson? This is Ray Palmer, who also sent Arnold to investigate Maury Island. What, was Arnold Palmer&#8217;s regular investigator? What other stories did he look into?</p>
<p>Of course, this is coming from Jim Mosely, who seems to think &#8220;a recent internet posting&#8221; constitutes reportable investigation.</p>
<p>3. In support of the commonality of contactee visionary experiences happening in remote mountainous and desert regions: I&#8217;ve done work on the life of a civil rights activist in St. Louis named Ernest Calloway who had a contactee-type experience in the Baja mountains in 1933 (pre-dating Thompson by many years). When he returned to Kentucky, his ambition was to get an article published on what contributed to his altered state: marijuana. Instead, he could only find a market for article on the labor conditions in Kentucky coal mines.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/07/20/an-early-contactee/#comment-2632</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating stuff. You knew I'd be looking in on this one. The name "Jones" sounds a little pat, but perhaps that &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; his real name.

Guy Ballard claimed to have met various "ascended masters," notably someone he identified as "Count St. Germain" in a cave on Mount Shasta in 1930. Based on this claim, he founded the I AM movement. He was a follower of Helena Blavatsky, who said that her masters resided on Mars and Venus, among other places. The convention of locating spiritual masters on other planets was established early in the 20th century, if not before. Perhaps Mr. Jones was aware of this, and used it in his fabricated, or partially fabricated, or possibly actual account.

I thought I'd heard of Thompson before and realized that &lt;a href="http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/nudist-aliens/" rel="nofollow"&gt;I posted something&lt;/a&gt; about this on June 8th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating stuff. You knew I&#8217;d be looking in on this one. The name &#8220;Jones&#8221; sounds a little pat, but perhaps that <em>was</em> his real name.</p>
<p>Guy Ballard claimed to have met various &#8220;ascended masters,&#8221; notably someone he identified as &#8220;Count St. Germain&#8221; in a cave on Mount Shasta in 1930. Based on this claim, he founded the I AM movement. He was a follower of Helena Blavatsky, who said that her masters resided on Mars and Venus, among other places. The convention of locating spiritual masters on other planets was established early in the 20th century, if not before. Perhaps Mr. Jones was aware of this, and used it in his fabricated, or partially fabricated, or possibly actual account.</p>
<p>I thought I&#8217;d heard of Thompson before and realized that <a href="http://www.ufomystic.com/wake-up-down-there/nudist-aliens/" rel="nofollow">I posted something</a> about this on June 8th.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonah</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/07/20/an-early-contactee/#comment-2631</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this one Nick..truly fascinating. However, I feel it important to differentiate between the supposed experiences of the "Contactee's", those in contact with blond haired Venusians of the anthropomorphically perfect persuasion, space brother's and so on and the experience of "Mr. Jones". It just seems much more generic in nature. He suspected life but never saw any, and from the description, he "thought" and "asked the question" of purpose, rather than being chosen the emissary of pick your alien/planet. 

Apples and oranges when it comes to my definition of Contactee's and the rest of encounter experiences. And that makes this story for me a very early example of what appears to be extremely curious interest in the Human Nuclear initiative. From Roswell and it's connection to the 509th Bomb Group (the delivery mechanism of the only instance of Nuclear Weapons Tech by humans on humans)several months prior (I am aware of your hypothesis), to the Hills story (there's the 509th again, now stationed at Pease AFB), Los Alamos, Malmstrom, The Big Sur event and even Rendlesham (illegal storage of Nukes against treaty). One also has to ask, would a species capable of the technology they seem to display really be ignorant of our somewhat primitive foray into such technology. Or rather might it be part of, if this story is true, a larger attempt to somehow express their concern for our warlike ignorance akin to the concern one would express finding a 6 year old with a loaded .357, not with one in the chamber but loaded none the less...

I think Robert Salas expressed much the same hypothesis. My question would be, was that idea somehow planted, as you have suggested may have happened in the case of Mr. Jones, as well???

Again, this one was appreciated...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this one Nick..truly fascinating. However, I feel it important to differentiate between the supposed experiences of the &#8220;Contactee&#8217;s&#8221;, those in contact with blond haired Venusians of the anthropomorphically perfect persuasion, space brother&#8217;s and so on and the experience of &#8220;Mr. Jones&#8221;. It just seems much more generic in nature. He suspected life but never saw any, and from the description, he &#8220;thought&#8221; and &#8220;asked the question&#8221; of purpose, rather than being chosen the emissary of pick your alien/planet. </p>
<p>Apples and oranges when it comes to my definition of Contactee&#8217;s and the rest of encounter experiences. And that makes this story for me a very early example of what appears to be extremely curious interest in the Human Nuclear initiative. From Roswell and it&#8217;s connection to the 509th Bomb Group (the delivery mechanism of the only instance of Nuclear Weapons Tech by humans on humans)several months prior (I am aware of your hypothesis), to the Hills story (there&#8217;s the 509th again, now stationed at Pease AFB), Los Alamos, Malmstrom, The Big Sur event and even Rendlesham (illegal storage of Nukes against treaty). One also has to ask, would a species capable of the technology they seem to display really be ignorant of our somewhat primitive foray into such technology. Or rather might it be part of, if this story is true, a larger attempt to somehow express their concern for our warlike ignorance akin to the concern one would express finding a 6 year old with a loaded .357, not with one in the chamber but loaded none the less&#8230;</p>
<p>I think Robert Salas expressed much the same hypothesis. My question would be, was that idea somehow planted, as you have suggested may have happened in the case of Mr. Jones, as well???</p>
<p>Again, this one was appreciated&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/07/20/an-early-contactee/#comment-2629</link>
		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool.  I supposed Greg will pass on his copy of Best of John Keel to you Nick, wherein Keel relates his attendance of the first global UFO conference.  Anyway Keel details how there was a serious E.T.-UFO subculture starting in the early 1940s. 

What I found fascinating was how Colin Bennett passes on, in his D.C. UFO flap book, about some secret CIA-NSA "invisible college" type dude conveniently predicting that such an event would be next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool.  I supposed Greg will pass on his copy of Best of John Keel to you Nick, wherein Keel relates his attendance of the first global UFO conference.  Anyway Keel details how there was a serious E.T.-UFO subculture starting in the early 1940s. </p>
<p>What I found fascinating was how Colin Bennett passes on, in his D.C. UFO flap book, about some secret CIA-NSA &#8220;invisible college&#8221; type dude conveniently predicting that such an event would be next.</p>
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