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	<title>Comments on: The UFO &#8220;Repeaters&#8221; Phenomenon</title>
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		<title>By: uth</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/28/ufo-repeat-sightings/#comment-2497</link>
		<dc:creator>uth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 02:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think that having more than one sighting should automatically diminish one's credibility.   

It's the people who claim along the lines that "all you have to do is look up" that set off red flags.   I get the sense that people who see things all the time and claim that we can to just have a really low threshold for determining genuine anomolous phenomemon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that having more than one sighting should automatically diminish one&#8217;s credibility.   </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the people who claim along the lines that &#8220;all you have to do is look up&#8221; that set off red flags.   I get the sense that people who see things all the time and claim that we can to just have a really low threshold for determining genuine anomolous phenomemon.</p>
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		<title>By: mister ecks</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/28/ufo-repeat-sightings/#comment-2495</link>
		<dc:creator>mister ecks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 15:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps having a life-changing anomalous experience (real or imagined) makes you more apt to interpret things in that vein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps having a life-changing anomalous experience (real or imagined) makes you more apt to interpret things in that vein.</p>
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		<title>By: reganlee</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/28/ufo-repeat-sightings/#comment-2489</link>
		<dc:creator>reganlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished a piece for the Binnall of America site that's related to this. (it'll be up Monday) My husband has had a life long history of UFO stuff, like me, -- before we ever met each other. And of course it continued after we met. So maybe there's something there too; people with these experiences subconsciously gravitate towards each other? I guess there's something to the idea we help create what we see/experience, etc. that gets into kind of New Age, mystical areas that the nuts and bolts researchers find frusrating. And I don't blame them. 

It's all very interesting,as well as confusing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished a piece for the Binnall of America site that&#8217;s related to this. (it&#8217;ll be up Monday) My husband has had a life long history of UFO stuff, like me, &#8212; before we ever met each other. And of course it continued after we met. So maybe there&#8217;s something there too; people with these experiences subconsciously gravitate towards each other? I guess there&#8217;s something to the idea we help create what we see/experience, etc. that gets into kind of New Age, mystical areas that the nuts and bolts researchers find frusrating. And I don&#8217;t blame them. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all very interesting,as well as confusing!</p>
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		<title>By: drew hempel</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/28/ufo-repeat-sightings/#comment-2488</link>
		<dc:creator>drew hempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Greg that makes sense with Hynek.  But Vallee seemed to have a different take on Hynek especially after Vallee discovered that Bluebook appeared to be a cover-up for a CIA black-ops.

This research on alien abduction that you and Nick are doing reminds me too much of the self-help movement.  It seems Bud Hopkins and John Mack helped promote people to have abduction as a charismatic identity movement.  Some  might even argue that the obesity epidemic is a similar expression of repressed anger at the extreme inequity of wealth in the U.S.  At least people can flaunt something that can not be "proved" despite everyone's attempt to try.

Slavoj Zizek understands this dynamic but he's one of those trendy pomo radical Leftist Hegelian-Lacanian psychopolitical cultural analysts.  He eschews the paranormal yet he embraces McDonald's as some sort of existential post-apocalyptic fantasy.  

Anyway I did a dialectial reversal on Hynek with the idea that violation of logic is proof because, as per Harry M. Collin's "Lead to Gold" article -- proof is dependent on technological context while logic is more powerful.  For example Kurt Godel "proved" time-travel through logic alone -- stating that people who time-travel would not want to change their future.  This is in Rudy Rucker's book "Infinity and the Mind."  Godel states:  "That's the power of logic."

Logic and proof both operate by desire, defined by music ratios!  But there can be no proof for an open system of asymmetric resonance which is inherently not contained by logic.  UFOs violate logic and that's why there real -- because there can never be no proof.

http://tricksterbook.com understands this -- parapsychologist George P. Hansen. Still I admire you and Nick doing a self-help mop-up job for Jacobs, Mack and Hopkins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Greg that makes sense with Hynek.  But Vallee seemed to have a different take on Hynek especially after Vallee discovered that Bluebook appeared to be a cover-up for a CIA black-ops.</p>
<p>This research on alien abduction that you and Nick are doing reminds me too much of the self-help movement.  It seems Bud Hopkins and John Mack helped promote people to have abduction as a charismatic identity movement.  Some  might even argue that the obesity epidemic is a similar expression of repressed anger at the extreme inequity of wealth in the U.S.  At least people can flaunt something that can not be &#8220;proved&#8221; despite everyone&#8217;s attempt to try.</p>
<p>Slavoj Zizek understands this dynamic but he&#8217;s one of those trendy pomo radical Leftist Hegelian-Lacanian psychopolitical cultural analysts.  He eschews the paranormal yet he embraces McDonald&#8217;s as some sort of existential post-apocalyptic fantasy.  </p>
<p>Anyway I did a dialectial reversal on Hynek with the idea that violation of logic is proof because, as per Harry M. Collin&#8217;s &#8220;Lead to Gold&#8221; article &#8212; proof is dependent on technological context while logic is more powerful.  For example Kurt Godel &#8220;proved&#8221; time-travel through logic alone &#8212; stating that people who time-travel would not want to change their future.  This is in Rudy Rucker&#8217;s book &#8220;Infinity and the Mind.&#8221;  Godel states:  &#8220;That&#8217;s the power of logic.&#8221;</p>
<p>Logic and proof both operate by desire, defined by music ratios!  But there can be no proof for an open system of asymmetric resonance which is inherently not contained by logic.  UFOs violate logic and that&#8217;s why there real &#8212; because there can never be no proof.</p>
<p><a href="http://tricksterbook.com" rel="nofollow">http://tricksterbook.com</a> understands this &#8212; parapsychologist George P. Hansen. Still I admire you and Nick doing a self-help mop-up job for Jacobs, Mack and Hopkins.</p>
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		<title>By: D.F.</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/28/ufo-repeat-sightings/#comment-2487</link>
		<dc:creator>D.F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a "repeater", but it's by my choice rather than randomness.  I've seen UFOs a number of times, but only because I was actively taking the time to look for them with binoculars and camera in hand.  I don't think it had anything to do with them choosing me to save the planet or to teach me the mysteries of the universe--in fact I doubt they even noticed me and certainly didn't try to interact with me.

While some individuals have credential issues due to questionable mental status, intentions, or strange luck, there are some who have have had multiple sightings due to taking the time to actively look for UFOs in areas where they have repeatedly been reported by others.  Some areas appear to have much more UFO traffic than others (which always makes me question whether these are simply man-made devices rather than from another source).

Good post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a &#8220;repeater&#8221;, but it&#8217;s by my choice rather than randomness.  I&#8217;ve seen UFOs a number of times, but only because I was actively taking the time to look for them with binoculars and camera in hand.  I don&#8217;t think it had anything to do with them choosing me to save the planet or to teach me the mysteries of the universe&#8211;in fact I doubt they even noticed me and certainly didn&#8217;t try to interact with me.</p>
<p>While some individuals have credential issues due to questionable mental status, intentions, or strange luck, there are some who have have had multiple sightings due to taking the time to actively look for UFOs in areas where they have repeatedly been reported by others.  Some areas appear to have much more UFO traffic than others (which always makes me question whether these are simply man-made devices rather than from another source).</p>
<p>Good post!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/28/ufo-repeat-sightings/#comment-2486</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 06:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yards,

Perhaps these people are preselected by some cosmic order of which we know little. I don't know if anyone has looked into this. Of course, the fundamentalist skpetics would say that these are "fantasy-prone personalities," which puts them in a convenient box to be ignored, but tells us nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yards,</p>
<p>Perhaps these people are preselected by some cosmic order of which we know little. I don&#8217;t know if anyone has looked into this. Of course, the fundamentalist skpetics would say that these are &#8220;fantasy-prone personalities,&#8221; which puts them in a convenient box to be ignored, but tells us nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/28/ufo-repeat-sightings/#comment-2485</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 06:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>m4ever,

Maybe if they happen twice or more, they're not "random." Let's take things a step further. William Burroughs said something I always liked: "There is no such thing as coincidence." What I take that to mean is the ultimate arbiter of what is "real" is the mind/ consciousness. 

This is the same idea as "the observer affects the observed, and vice-versa." At some point, we have to admit that the world is in our heads and not on artificial maps of reality that we have created.

So, in other words, I agree with you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m4ever,</p>
<p>Maybe if they happen twice or more, they&#8217;re not &#8220;random.&#8221; Let&#8217;s take things a step further. William Burroughs said something I always liked: &#8220;There is no such thing as coincidence.&#8221; What I take that to mean is the ultimate arbiter of what is &#8220;real&#8221; is the mind/ consciousness. </p>
<p>This is the same idea as &#8220;the observer affects the observed, and vice-versa.&#8221; At some point, we have to admit that the world is in our heads and not on artificial maps of reality that we have created.</p>
<p>So, in other words, I agree with you!</p>
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		<title>By: Yards</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/28/ufo-repeat-sightings/#comment-2481</link>
		<dc:creator>Yards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, very informative.  My question is--do any of these people, "repeaters" (or just anyone who has had an encounter), do they all have something in common?  Anything?  I mean, is there any evidence that points to a reason the phenomena likes them so much?  (If "likes" is the right term.)  And is anyone looking into that?

~Y</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, very informative.  My question is&#8211;do any of these people, &#8220;repeaters&#8221; (or just anyone who has had an encounter), do they all have something in common?  Anything?  I mean, is there any evidence that points to a reason the phenomena likes them so much?  (If &#8220;likes&#8221; is the right term.)  And is anyone looking into that?</p>
<p>~Y</p>
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		<title>By: m4ever</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/28/ufo-repeat-sightings/#comment-2479</link>
		<dc:creator>m4ever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, even random events can happen twice to an individual. Throw in the fact that belief and experience might influence reality and repeat events might not really be rare (only rarely admitted).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, even random events can happen twice to an individual. Throw in the fact that belief and experience might influence reality and repeat events might not really be rare (only rarely admitted).</p>
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		<title>By: reganlee</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/28/ufo-repeat-sightings/#comment-2473</link>
		<dc:creator>reganlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, I admire Jacobs for his dedication and tenacity, but I don't agree with his take on the whole thing at all. I do think his comment on "repeat" witnesses is interesting.

I too have a big problem with witnesses who insist they have the truth, and they know what they know because the aliens told them so.  No doubt &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; told them so, but what, and why, etc. -- is the question. 

As to my own experiences; some days I just say "oh hell, I &lt;i&gt;don't &lt;/i&gt; know! " And I don't. Except that, it's &lt;i&gt;something.&lt;/i&gt; Sorry, started to ramble there. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, I admire Jacobs for his dedication and tenacity, but I don&#8217;t agree with his take on the whole thing at all. I do think his comment on &#8220;repeat&#8221; witnesses is interesting.</p>
<p>I too have a big problem with witnesses who insist they have the truth, and they know what they know because the aliens told them so.  No doubt <i>something</i> told them so, but what, and why, etc. &#8212; is the question. </p>
<p>As to my own experiences; some days I just say &#8220;oh hell, I <i>don&#8217;t </i> know! &#8221; And I don&#8217;t. Except that, it&#8217;s <i>something.</i> Sorry, started to ramble there. <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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