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	<title>Comments on: Crop Circles - Hoax Or Hex?</title>
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		<title>By: jeanniesbottle</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/21/crop-circles-hoax/#comment-5221</link>
		<dc:creator>jeanniesbottle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that there have been centuries of crop circles showing up, it is not totally inconceivable that they could be made by extraterrestrials or some other force.  Below is a link to an interesting article talking about how old crop circles are and the various places they have popped up.

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/h/history_of_crop_circles_the.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that there have been centuries of crop circles showing up, it is not totally inconceivable that they could be made by extraterrestrials or some other force.  Below is a link to an interesting article talking about how old crop circles are and the various places they have popped up.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/h/history_of_crop_circles_the.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/h/history_of_crop_circles_the.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: mothphotographer</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/21/crop-circles-hoax/#comment-2454</link>
		<dc:creator>mothphotographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having debated people for years, it has become apparent that the most common way other ghetto-ize "conspiracy" theories is that they continue to limit what you are saying no matter how many times you repeat that your theory includes more possibilities than theirs. My theory is that there is a real paranormal phenomenon as well as a synthetic one.  This appears to be true of UFOs and abductions, as well as crop circles.  With crop circles, you have centuries of history of fairly simple events that appear to be paranormal. Suddenly, they grew exponentially in detail and intensity.  That growth was exactly concurrent to defense spending and national security secrecy, of which the Rockefellers and Big Oil were the main architects.

Unfortunately, logic seems turned upside down in the paranormal world.  In the paranormal world, attempts are made to make the simplest explanation (that the growth in the phenomenon is synthetic, or synthetically triggered), seem like the most convoluted one.  If you polled everyone on earth (especially if it could be absent TV's constant drone about extraterrestrials), you would probably find that the simplest explanation for most people would be that the elites governing them either knew about, or were responsible for, suddenly-appearing phenomena such as crop circles or UFOs. Attempting to discuss this phenomenon while poo poo-ing anything about the Rockefellers is like doing a documentary on prisons without interviewing, or even considering, the role of the guards and warden (or the society at large that created the prison). The fact is that the scuttlebutt on crop circles for 20 years has been that they were being amped up in order to create a new religion. The idea that board-using circlemakers would be "driven" to do it is not a last-minute conjuration by Hancock, but an old idea.  And this idea is not a combination of convoluted bits and pieces, but the simplest explanation. Perfectly in tune with those who spend millions on mind control, and perhaps also need to test some raygun weaponry, as alluded to by Keel, Brussell, and others. Anyone who takes the time to study the history of the Rockefellers will find that the evidence is indisputable.  They would therefore probably not be inclined to call other Rockefeller researchers "agenda driven."  An individual doing personal in their basement has very little agenda.  A global conglomerate obviously bent on economically dominating the world does have an agenda.  

But I realize that everything is turned upside here, so...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having debated people for years, it has become apparent that the most common way other ghetto-ize &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; theories is that they continue to limit what you are saying no matter how many times you repeat that your theory includes more possibilities than theirs. My theory is that there is a real paranormal phenomenon as well as a synthetic one.  This appears to be true of UFOs and abductions, as well as crop circles.  With crop circles, you have centuries of history of fairly simple events that appear to be paranormal. Suddenly, they grew exponentially in detail and intensity.  That growth was exactly concurrent to defense spending and national security secrecy, of which the Rockefellers and Big Oil were the main architects.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, logic seems turned upside down in the paranormal world.  In the paranormal world, attempts are made to make the simplest explanation (that the growth in the phenomenon is synthetic, or synthetically triggered), seem like the most convoluted one.  If you polled everyone on earth (especially if it could be absent TV&#8217;s constant drone about extraterrestrials), you would probably find that the simplest explanation for most people would be that the elites governing them either knew about, or were responsible for, suddenly-appearing phenomena such as crop circles or UFOs. Attempting to discuss this phenomenon while poo poo-ing anything about the Rockefellers is like doing a documentary on prisons without interviewing, or even considering, the role of the guards and warden (or the society at large that created the prison). The fact is that the scuttlebutt on crop circles for 20 years has been that they were being amped up in order to create a new religion. The idea that board-using circlemakers would be &#8220;driven&#8221; to do it is not a last-minute conjuration by Hancock, but an old idea.  And this idea is not a combination of convoluted bits and pieces, but the simplest explanation. Perfectly in tune with those who spend millions on mind control, and perhaps also need to test some raygun weaponry, as alluded to by Keel, Brussell, and others. Anyone who takes the time to study the history of the Rockefellers will find that the evidence is indisputable.  They would therefore probably not be inclined to call other Rockefeller researchers &#8220;agenda driven.&#8221;  An individual doing personal in their basement has very little agenda.  A global conglomerate obviously bent on economically dominating the world does have an agenda.  </p>
<p>But I realize that everything is turned upside here, so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Hancock</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/21/crop-circles-hoax/#comment-2444</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Hancock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one wants to get a paranormal blur mixed with the human-agency paradigm of the crop circles, why not consider that the "hoaxers" (?) are perhaps "compelled" to do their fieldwork under some kind of CONTROL ("Obsession"? "Possession?) external to themselves...and more powerful than themselves. As though they have not been given "...an OFFER they can't refuse", but, rather, "a sub-counscious mental DIRECTIVE they can't refuse"...rather like Richard Dreyfuss's
compulsive Devil's Tower model building in "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" and his subsequent lemming-like drawing to the real place.

Were Doug and Dave and all others doing all this for "kicks"? Or were they unknowingly made to do it by some alien super-intelligence in a mind control gambit that makes any MK/ULTRA project looks like child's play by comparison.

Who knows? And is this what I think personally? Hell, I don't have a clue.
I just conjured (pardon the pun) this notion up out of the bits and pieces of ideas people were kicking around. Shows how ridiculously easy it is to conjure some kind of conspiracy up out of near thin air. 

All this stuff works like a variation on "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon". You can think up multitudes of conspiracy theories just by assembling bits and pieces of "facts" (but, mostly, sheer
agenda-driven conjectures) into jigsaw mosaic of "truths" that will surely resonate with somebody somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one wants to get a paranormal blur mixed with the human-agency paradigm of the crop circles, why not consider that the &#8220;hoaxers&#8221; (?) are perhaps &#8220;compelled&#8221; to do their fieldwork under some kind of CONTROL (&#8221;Obsession&#8221;? &#8220;Possession?) external to themselves&#8230;and more powerful than themselves. As though they have not been given &#8220;&#8230;an OFFER they can&#8217;t refuse&#8221;, but, rather, &#8220;a sub-counscious mental DIRECTIVE they can&#8217;t refuse&#8221;&#8230;rather like Richard Dreyfuss&#8217;s<br />
compulsive Devil&#8217;s Tower model building in &#8220;Close Encounters of the Third Kind&#8221; and his subsequent lemming-like drawing to the real place.</p>
<p>Were Doug and Dave and all others doing all this for &#8220;kicks&#8221;? Or were they unknowingly made to do it by some alien super-intelligence in a mind control gambit that makes any MK/ULTRA project looks like child&#8217;s play by comparison.</p>
<p>Who knows? And is this what I think personally? Hell, I don&#8217;t have a clue.<br />
I just conjured (pardon the pun) this notion up out of the bits and pieces of ideas people were kicking around. Shows how ridiculously easy it is to conjure some kind of conspiracy up out of near thin air. </p>
<p>All this stuff works like a variation on &#8220;Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon&#8221;. You can think up multitudes of conspiracy theories just by assembling bits and pieces of &#8220;facts&#8221; (but, mostly, sheer<br />
agenda-driven conjectures) into jigsaw mosaic of &#8220;truths&#8221; that will surely resonate with somebody somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: DingoDog99</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/21/crop-circles-hoax/#comment-2440</link>
		<dc:creator>DingoDog99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gregg,

Point well taken. 

Mothphotographer,

I'll agree to disagree. Somtimes it is the simplist explaination. That being said, please excuse my invective. 

Jess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gregg,</p>
<p>Point well taken. </p>
<p>Mothphotographer,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll agree to disagree. Somtimes it is the simplist explaination. That being said, please excuse my invective. </p>
<p>Jess</p>
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		<title>By: mothphotographer</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/21/crop-circles-hoax/#comment-2438</link>
		<dc:creator>mothphotographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dingo:

What you call the globalist Bush regime has been around since oil was discovered in the 1850s in the Ohio Valley. The Bushes actually are a subset of the Rockefeller syndicate and yes, this syndicate has pulled off most of the great capers, from the Bolsheviks to Pearl Harbor to (probably) 9/11.  There is a multitude of evidence for these things in the muckraking books of the mid-20th century by Josephson and others.  Totally documented and in fact, so out in the open as to be ignored by the media they control.  To say that there are no leaks with regard to 9/11 is like saying there were no leaks with regard to JFK.  Several hundred JFK whistleblowers were found dead in mysterious circumstances, and anyone who watches Loose Change or any of the other 9/11 films can easily see that job was so sloppy that long films can be made documenting the many "leaks."  I never said it was just military satellites making crop circles, just that that is the most common way it has been done.  Laurance Rockefeller was the biggest donor to mind control research in the history of mankind, and both the Rockefeller's and the Bush's close work with Nazi occultists is well documented.  Bush, Sr. was the main proponent of Star Wars. So it is actually quite plausible that they are involved in crop circle manipulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dingo:</p>
<p>What you call the globalist Bush regime has been around since oil was discovered in the 1850s in the Ohio Valley. The Bushes actually are a subset of the Rockefeller syndicate and yes, this syndicate has pulled off most of the great capers, from the Bolsheviks to Pearl Harbor to (probably) 9/11.  There is a multitude of evidence for these things in the muckraking books of the mid-20th century by Josephson and others.  Totally documented and in fact, so out in the open as to be ignored by the media they control.  To say that there are no leaks with regard to 9/11 is like saying there were no leaks with regard to JFK.  Several hundred JFK whistleblowers were found dead in mysterious circumstances, and anyone who watches Loose Change or any of the other 9/11 films can easily see that job was so sloppy that long films can be made documenting the many &#8220;leaks.&#8221;  I never said it was just military satellites making crop circles, just that that is the most common way it has been done.  Laurance Rockefeller was the biggest donor to mind control research in the history of mankind, and both the Rockefeller&#8217;s and the Bush&#8217;s close work with Nazi occultists is well documented.  Bush, Sr. was the main proponent of Star Wars. So it is actually quite plausible that they are involved in crop circle manipulation.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/21/crop-circles-hoax/#comment-2434</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 06:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,

I'll be looking forward to your expose!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be looking forward to your expose!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/21/crop-circles-hoax/#comment-2433</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 06:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snappy,

John Dee was (for awhile) Queen Elizabeth I's court astrologer and general "scientist" who was consulted about the propitious times and circumstances for state or military actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snappy,</p>
<p>John Dee was (for awhile) Queen Elizabeth I&#8217;s court astrologer and general &#8220;scientist&#8221; who was consulted about the propitious times and circumstances for state or military actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/21/crop-circles-hoax/#comment-2432</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 06:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jess,

I think at this point I have to invoke the conspiracy community's canard that things are often 10-20 years ahead of where we think they are. When Vallee first proposed his microwave theory I was so enamored of it that it stuck until I talked to Mark.

What may be going on here (this is a THEORY) is 80-90% hoaxers, 5-15% black ops and about 5% truly unexplained occurrences, all of which may have grabbed the attention of the intelligences from "another realm."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jess,</p>
<p>I think at this point I have to invoke the conspiracy community&#8217;s canard that things are often 10-20 years ahead of where we think they are. When Vallee first proposed his microwave theory I was so enamored of it that it stuck until I talked to Mark.</p>
<p>What may be going on here (this is a THEORY) is 80-90% hoaxers, 5-15% black ops and about 5% truly unexplained occurrences, all of which may have grabbed the attention of the intelligences from &#8220;another realm.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/21/crop-circles-hoax/#comment-2431</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 06:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonah,

That drawing looks like a sun dog or some such ice crystal phenomenon as described in Richard Corliss' Sourcebook project volumes.

The description of the cave encounter sounds like something right out of Whitley Strieber!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonah,</p>
<p>That drawing looks like a sun dog or some such ice crystal phenomenon as described in Richard Corliss&#8217; Sourcebook project volumes.</p>
<p>The description of the cave encounter sounds like something right out of Whitley Strieber!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/21/crop-circles-hoax/#comment-2430</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 06:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sasdave/ Andy,

What I'd like to see is a control stalk of grain, a stalk from a hoaxed circle, and one from a "real" circle for comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sasdave/ Andy,</p>
<p>What I&#8217;d like to see is a control stalk of grain, a stalk from a hoaxed circle, and one from a &#8220;real&#8221; circle for comparison.</p>
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