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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/14/alien-shot-area-51/#comment-2387</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>raelegget,

Your self-reflexive comment is intriguing.

My posts blew no covers that were not blown elsewhere already, and in much more detail by others. In contrast, my pointing finger was vague and concerned an operation that was almost two years old.

Perhaps like Bill Moore, I should wait 5 or 6 years before saying anything next time, but the nature of information exchange has developed to unheard-of levels since 1989. I have no arrangement with any intel. I honor agreements, written or not.

Believers will continue to believe what they want, no matter what you, I or anyone says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>raelegget,</p>
<p>Your self-reflexive comment is intriguing.</p>
<p>My posts blew no covers that were not blown elsewhere already, and in much more detail by others. In contrast, my pointing finger was vague and concerned an operation that was almost two years old.</p>
<p>Perhaps like Bill Moore, I should wait 5 or 6 years before saying anything next time, but the nature of information exchange has developed to unheard-of levels since 1989. I have no arrangement with any intel. I honor agreements, written or not.</p>
<p>Believers will continue to believe what they want, no matter what you, I or anyone says.</p>
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		<title>By: raeleggett</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/14/alien-shot-area-51/#comment-2385</link>
		<dc:creator>raeleggett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg,

I went back and read your SERPO posts, and yes, we seem to be thinking in parallel.

Breaking further from Ufology, I remember a story in the media a few years ago about a chicken somewhere in the Middle East, which was supposedly saved from having it's head cut off by squawking "Allahu Akbar!" at the right moment.

It occurred to me at the time that that'd be a great way to let some spy know his cover was blown.  If you hear a story about a chicken and Allah, get out of Dodge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>I went back and read your SERPO posts, and yes, we seem to be thinking in parallel.</p>
<p>Breaking further from Ufology, I remember a story in the media a few years ago about a chicken somewhere in the Middle East, which was supposedly saved from having it&#8217;s head cut off by squawking &#8220;Allahu Akbar!&#8221; at the right moment.</p>
<p>It occurred to me at the time that that&#8217;d be a great way to let some spy know his cover was blown.  If you hear a story about a chicken and Allah, get out of Dodge.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/14/alien-shot-area-51/#comment-2382</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 05:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimmy,

Very good points. The "I" in AFOSI stands for "investigation" not "security," after all.

I don't think the people who produce this junk can ever get things too wrong for the believers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmy,</p>
<p>Very good points. The &#8220;I&#8221; in AFOSI stands for &#8220;investigation&#8221; not &#8220;security,&#8221; after all.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the people who produce this junk can ever get things too wrong for the believers.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/14/alien-shot-area-51/#comment-2381</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 05:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alcalde,

This is not the same as the Fort Dix story, but is an iteration of it, to be sure. In that one, the alien died, and jumped over a fece or something. To me, it seems like some kind of intel gambit (again) -- for what purpose, we can only guess.

Your link doesn't seem to work. Perhaps the story is too old. I read that Burton piece. It seems very credulous to me, but perhaps that's what the site admins or owners want. Oh well. Keep visiting here for slightly more sober commentary, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alcalde,</p>
<p>This is not the same as the Fort Dix story, but is an iteration of it, to be sure. In that one, the alien died, and jumped over a fece or something. To me, it seems like some kind of intel gambit (again) &#8212; for what purpose, we can only guess.</p>
<p>Your link doesn&#8217;t seem to work. Perhaps the story is too old. I read that Burton piece. It seems very credulous to me, but perhaps that&#8217;s what the site admins or owners want. Oh well. Keep visiting here for slightly more sober commentary, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/14/alien-shot-area-51/#comment-2380</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 05:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>raeleggett,

Very perceptive of you. I mentioned this scenario in connection with the SERPO business in an earlier post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>raeleggett,</p>
<p>Very perceptive of you. I mentioned this scenario in connection with the SERPO business in an earlier post.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/14/alien-shot-area-51/#comment-2377</link>
		<dc:creator>jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OSI agents, who are in the Air Force, didn't carry .45s; they carried .38 revolvers, like everybody else in the Air Force. I think now they carry the 9mm pistol, but I don't believe they had come in by 1983. Besides which, OSI operates almost entirely in plain clothes, and carries something concealable if it carries anything at all, and a GI .45 is not all that concealable. 

The whole thing reads as if it were written as if by somebody familiar with Army practice (quite possibly from watching old movies) and trying to apply it to the Air Force, to which it mostly didn't apply. If this is a genuine intelligence release, maybe they're holding a "how-wrong-can-we-get-it-before-they-twig?" contest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OSI agents, who are in the Air Force, didn&#8217;t carry .45s; they carried .38 revolvers, like everybody else in the Air Force. I think now they carry the 9mm pistol, but I don&#8217;t believe they had come in by 1983. Besides which, OSI operates almost entirely in plain clothes, and carries something concealable if it carries anything at all, and a GI .45 is not all that concealable. </p>
<p>The whole thing reads as if it were written as if by somebody familiar with Army practice (quite possibly from watching old movies) and trying to apply it to the Air Force, to which it mostly didn&#8217;t apply. If this is a genuine intelligence release, maybe they&#8217;re holding a &#8220;how-wrong-can-we-get-it-before-they-twig?&#8221; contest.</p>
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		<title>By: alcalde</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/14/alien-shot-area-51/#comment-2376</link>
		<dc:creator>alcalde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, this story is NOT about Area 51. Brendan Burton wrote a piece about it a few days ago for the American Chronicle, http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=28988 proving that just about anything can get published by that website. In his article, Mr. Burton wrote 
"The above amazing quote was released on 6th May 2007 to an international group of UFO / ET researchers. The group is comprised of current and ex military, air-force, CIA operatives and civilian Dr's and scientists from the field of medicine and science. This group have acted as a kind of 'Gate keeping' service for the UFO community in recent years and have established an extremely credible position within that community. 

...We have recently heard other astounding accounts and stories which relate to the supposed on-going disclosure taking place now.

...Does this mean we are soon to be hearing these accounts in the mainstream media? From all accounts, the answer is a most definite 'YES'. A groundbreaking article is currently in progress by a well known mainstream newspaper reporter / author. Later this year, or early next year a major documentary is expected to be released in the cinemas and networks ( ala Fahrenheit 911) which details the type of incidents and investigations undertaken by AFOSI in the latter 20th century. 

It seems we do live in very interesting times. And of course, remember, you read it here first!"

As Donald Rumsfeld might say, "Good golly!" There's being duped, and then there's being duped by people who aren't even breaking a sweat.

The story above is NOT about Area 51. It's also NOT new. It was an account that supposedly happened at FORT DIX, NEW JERSEY in *1978*. The people who released this "Area 51" revelation didn't even bother to re-write the tale! It's a *cut-and-paste* of the original story (which came from an incident report that was discredited)! So many people, Burton and others, never even bothered to do the slightest checking before jumping up and down about this "newest" "revelation". Unbelievable.

The Trentonian *also* ran a story about the Fort Dix alien five days ago, interestingly enough. If you want to know what this story is really about, check out the article: http://tinyurl.com/2876ah

The Anomalist even linked to the Trentonian article, yet the connection still doesn't seem to have been made by the True Believers yet. Actually, the Anomalist linked to THIS blog today, too. I guess even the Anomalist didn't make the connection. :-) 

I guess the only thing I find more disturbing than the True Believers who bought into an anonymous press release that was a cut-and-paste of a 29-year-old falsified incident report is the amount of people who just don't keep up to date on God's Country, New Jersey (well, GodFATHER Country, but still...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, this story is NOT about Area 51. Brendan Burton wrote a piece about it a few days ago for the American Chronicle, <a href="http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=28988" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=28988</a> proving that just about anything can get published by that website. In his article, Mr. Burton wrote<br />
&#8220;The above amazing quote was released on 6th May 2007 to an international group of UFO / ET researchers. The group is comprised of current and ex military, air-force, CIA operatives and civilian Dr&#8217;s and scientists from the field of medicine and science. This group have acted as a kind of &#8216;Gate keeping&#8217; service for the UFO community in recent years and have established an extremely credible position within that community. </p>
<p>&#8230;We have recently heard other astounding accounts and stories which relate to the supposed on-going disclosure taking place now.</p>
<p>&#8230;Does this mean we are soon to be hearing these accounts in the mainstream media? From all accounts, the answer is a most definite &#8216;YES&#8217;. A groundbreaking article is currently in progress by a well known mainstream newspaper reporter / author. Later this year, or early next year a major documentary is expected to be released in the cinemas and networks ( ala Fahrenheit 911) which details the type of incidents and investigations undertaken by AFOSI in the latter 20th century. </p>
<p>It seems we do live in very interesting times. And of course, remember, you read it here first!&#8221;</p>
<p>As Donald Rumsfeld might say, &#8220;Good golly!&#8221; There&#8217;s being duped, and then there&#8217;s being duped by people who aren&#8217;t even breaking a sweat.</p>
<p>The story above is NOT about Area 51. It&#8217;s also NOT new. It was an account that supposedly happened at FORT DIX, NEW JERSEY in *1978*. The people who released this &#8220;Area 51&#8243; revelation didn&#8217;t even bother to re-write the tale! It&#8217;s a *cut-and-paste* of the original story (which came from an incident report that was discredited)! So many people, Burton and others, never even bothered to do the slightest checking before jumping up and down about this &#8220;newest&#8221; &#8220;revelation&#8221;. Unbelievable.</p>
<p>The Trentonian *also* ran a story about the Fort Dix alien five days ago, interestingly enough. If you want to know what this story is really about, check out the article: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2876ah" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2876ah</a></p>
<p>The Anomalist even linked to the Trentonian article, yet the connection still doesn&#8217;t seem to have been made by the True Believers yet. Actually, the Anomalist linked to THIS blog today, too. I guess even the Anomalist didn&#8217;t make the connection. <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I guess the only thing I find more disturbing than the True Believers who bought into an anonymous press release that was a cut-and-paste of a 29-year-old falsified incident report is the amount of people who just don&#8217;t keep up to date on God&#8217;s Country, New Jersey (well, GodFATHER Country, but still&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: raeleggett</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/14/alien-shot-area-51/#comment-2375</link>
		<dc:creator>raeleggett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odd thought I just had...has little to do with ufology per se...

Couldn't releasing stuff like this, be used to communicate with undercover operatives in "plain sight"?  The message could be sent with no way to trace the source.

Or it could just be an advanced form of the childrens game.  Release a story, and see *which particular* details change.  Get good enough at it, and you could carefully plant a rumor...without ever "planting a rumor".  Seems like that would be very useful in counterintelligence/counterterrorism circles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd thought I just had&#8230;has little to do with ufology per se&#8230;</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t releasing stuff like this, be used to communicate with undercover operatives in &#8220;plain sight&#8221;?  The message could be sent with no way to trace the source.</p>
<p>Or it could just be an advanced form of the childrens game.  Release a story, and see *which particular* details change.  Get good enough at it, and you could carefully plant a rumor&#8230;without ever &#8220;planting a rumor&#8221;.  Seems like that would be very useful in counterintelligence/counterterrorism circles.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg,

As long as the 'useful idiots' (I think another Vallee term) keep propagating these stories, intelligence agencies will keep sending them out.

Meanwhile, we'll keep searching for the signal amongst the noise!
;)

Kind regards,
Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>As long as the &#8216;useful idiots&#8217; (I think another Vallee term) keep propagating these stories, intelligence agencies will keep sending them out.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, we&#8217;ll keep searching for the signal amongst the noise!<br />
 <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />
Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/06/14/alien-shot-area-51/#comment-2372</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jess,

It was just one of those "secret release" email messages sent out from someone in the DIA or AFOSI or ONI or CIA or something. Or it might have just been a prankster.

My point is that you can fool some of the people all of the time, but that there may be a method to this madness, as there has been in the past.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's still interesting and funny, at least to me - and how about that headline!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jess,</p>
<p>It was just one of those &#8220;secret release&#8221; email messages sent out from someone in the DIA or AFOSI or ONI or CIA or something. Or it might have just been a prankster.</p>
<p>My point is that you can fool some of the people all of the time, but that there may be a method to this madness, as there has been in the past.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m wrong, but it&#8217;s still interesting and funny, at least to me - and how about that headline!</p>
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