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	<title>Comments on: On The Road With The &#8220;Mirage Men&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: robertg</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/05/06/ufo-documentary-intelligence/#comment-2149</link>
		<dc:creator>robertg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 02:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Greg,
  I am looking forward to seeing it, and seeing what will be said.  As I alluded to, I take so called insider info with a huge grain of salt.  

Cheers,
Robert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg,<br />
  I am looking forward to seeing it, and seeing what will be said.  As I alluded to, I take so called insider info with a huge grain of salt.  </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Robert</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/05/06/ufo-documentary-intelligence/#comment-2126</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 06:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert,

The only "insider" who will appear onscreen so far will be Richard Doty. All of the other interviews were with researchers who run the gamut from credulous to skeptical, so I guess the point will be how researchers see the (dis)info and what they do with it.

The parts of the film dealing with Project Beta are basically reiterations of what was in the book, although one previously skeptical researcher now claims to have seen an entrance to an underground facility somewhere on the Archuleta Mesa.

The story is as accurate as can be told by those who are not on the "inside" and have a healthy amount of incredulity. When you see it, trust your powers of discernment and make up your own mind. Like I said in another post, the need to come to a conclusion is often the enemy of learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>The only &#8220;insider&#8221; who will appear onscreen so far will be Richard Doty. All of the other interviews were with researchers who run the gamut from credulous to skeptical, so I guess the point will be how researchers see the (dis)info and what they do with it.</p>
<p>The parts of the film dealing with Project Beta are basically reiterations of what was in the book, although one previously skeptical researcher now claims to have seen an entrance to an underground facility somewhere on the Archuleta Mesa.</p>
<p>The story is as accurate as can be told by those who are not on the &#8220;inside&#8221; and have a healthy amount of incredulity. When you see it, trust your powers of discernment and make up your own mind. Like I said in another post, the need to come to a conclusion is often the enemy of learning.</p>
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		<title>By: robertg</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/05/06/ufo-documentary-intelligence/#comment-2125</link>
		<dc:creator>robertg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 03:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Mirage Men will be interesting and informative but the stories told should be taken with a grain of salt.
 
We will probably hear stories about how they unloaded incredible dis info stories to researchers who gulliably lapped them up as the gospel truth, never to be doubted or questioned. 

  I predict that if it goes in that direction, people in the UFO community who touted these stories and tales (whose reputation is on the line because of how much they defended them to the death) will be howling about how the film was really part of some evil government conspiracy to unload disinformation.  

  The question becomes how do we know that the story they are "now" telling on film is the accurate one, or is it further propaganda and lies?

Paraphrasing a comment by Deep Throat in the popular X Files series:
'a lie, Mr. Mulder, is most convincingly hidden between two truths'

then further in the episode:
Mulder:  I'm wondering which lie to believe

Cheers,
Robert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Mirage Men will be interesting and informative but the stories told should be taken with a grain of salt.</p>
<p>We will probably hear stories about how they unloaded incredible dis info stories to researchers who gulliably lapped them up as the gospel truth, never to be doubted or questioned. </p>
<p>  I predict that if it goes in that direction, people in the UFO community who touted these stories and tales (whose reputation is on the line because of how much they defended them to the death) will be howling about how the film was really part of some evil government conspiracy to unload disinformation.  </p>
<p>  The question becomes how do we know that the story they are &#8220;now&#8221; telling on film is the accurate one, or is it further propaganda and lies?</p>
<p>Paraphrasing a comment by Deep Throat in the popular X Files series:<br />
&#8216;a lie, Mr. Mulder, is most convincingly hidden between two truths&#8217;</p>
<p>then further in the episode:<br />
Mulder:  I&#8217;m wondering which lie to believe</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Robert</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/05/06/ufo-documentary-intelligence/#comment-2089</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 04:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toni,

I didn't know the proper categories in which to lump everyone. "Personality" is neither positive or negative. I could have said "luminaries" or "pariahs" or "gods" or "spammers," but I chose what I thought was a neutral term. Sorry about your negative experience with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toni,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know the proper categories in which to lump everyone. &#8220;Personality&#8221; is neither positive or negative. I could have said &#8220;luminaries&#8221; or &#8220;pariahs&#8221; or &#8220;gods&#8221; or &#8220;spammers,&#8221; but I chose what I thought was a neutral term. Sorry about your negative experience with him.</p>
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		<title>By: starryeyes</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/05/06/ufo-documentary-intelligence/#comment-2088</link>
		<dc:creator>starryeyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 00:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, so is Victor the libelous spammer (yes he did libel me and my family) now considered a Ufological or an intelligence personality?

~toni</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, so is Victor the libelous spammer (yes he did libel me and my family) now considered a Ufological or an intelligence personality?</p>
<p>~toni</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Pilkington</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/05/06/ufo-documentary-intelligence/#comment-2084</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Pilkington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 05:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good work Steve! You win a special prize - as yet undecided. Can you email me your snail mail address to mark_at_strangeattractor.co.uk and you can look forward to, er, something...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good work Steve! You win a special prize - as yet undecided. Can you email me your snail mail address to mark_at_strangeattractor.co.uk and you can look forward to, er, something&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: REALITY uncovered</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/05/06/ufo-documentary-intelligence/#comment-2080</link>
		<dc:creator>REALITY uncovered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, interesting!

Is the connection Robert Emenegger by any chance...?

He put the "Evolution Revolution" together and also brought us the tale of the UFO landing at Holloman AFB.

Do I win? :)

Cheers,
Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, interesting!</p>
<p>Is the connection Robert Emenegger by any chance&#8230;?</p>
<p>He put the &#8220;Evolution Revolution&#8221; together and also brought us the tale of the UFO landing at Holloman AFB.</p>
<p>Do I win? <img src='http://www.ufomystic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Pilkington</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/05/06/ufo-documentary-intelligence/#comment-2074</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Pilkington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 08:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kenn - Greg and I were just talking about Maury, and I agree that we should get it into the film, as it's a classic case. The problem for us, as Greg points out, is that there's nobody around from the period to realise the story on film. But yes, we should refer to it at least. I'll certainly be bringing it into the wider narrative in my book o' the film.

And Greg, thanks for the heads up. We hope to have Mirage Men finished by early next year, though these things take a *long* time, but John and I genuinely believe that we have something  special on our hands. 

btw, here's a spot quiz for UFO Mystic readers. First person to point out the connection between this posting and the linked video clip gets a special prize...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VmTmvBzNFY4

Mark P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kenn - Greg and I were just talking about Maury, and I agree that we should get it into the film, as it&#8217;s a classic case. The problem for us, as Greg points out, is that there&#8217;s nobody around from the period to realise the story on film. But yes, we should refer to it at least. I&#8217;ll certainly be bringing it into the wider narrative in my book o&#8217; the film.</p>
<p>And Greg, thanks for the heads up. We hope to have Mirage Men finished by early next year, though these things take a *long* time, but John and I genuinely believe that we have something  special on our hands. </p>
<p>btw, here&#8217;s a spot quiz for UFO Mystic readers. First person to point out the connection between this posting and the linked video clip gets a special prize&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=VmTmvBzNFY4" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=VmTmvBzNFY4</a></p>
<p>Mark P</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/05/06/ufo-documentary-intelligence/#comment-2057</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 05:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenn,

I didn't write "stretching way, way back into ancient history." The people who were around in 1947 at Maury Island are all dead now I think, so it's a little bit difficult to interview them for a first-hand account.

But you're right, they should at least acknowedge that the involvment goes back at least to the late 1940s. I'll suggest it.

I won't be at the concon, mainly because I'm not speaking there, but also becuase it would take rent money out of my pocket instead of putting it in. The production team will be back in the UK by then, but perhaps they can work something out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenn,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t write &#8220;stretching way, way back into ancient history.&#8221; The people who were around in 1947 at Maury Island are all dead now I think, so it&#8217;s a little bit difficult to interview them for a first-hand account.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right, they should at least acknowedge that the involvment goes back at least to the late 1940s. I&#8217;ll suggest it.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t be at the concon, mainly because I&#8217;m not speaking there, but also becuase it would take rent money out of my pocket instead of putting it in. The production team will be back in the UK by then, but perhaps they can work something out.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenn Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.ufomystic.com/2007/05/06/ufo-documentary-intelligence/#comment-2056</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenn Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 05:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"stretching back to the Paul Bennewitz" !?! As Eddie Izzard put it, impersonating an American, "Yeah, we have houses here that are FIFTY years old!"

I would hope that these guys would do some kind of nod to Maury Island and Crisman's involvement in the covert intelligence operations/UFO link dating back to '47 and likely to have included the JFK assassination.

Tell 'em to come out and talk to me at ConCon in San Jose. You gonna be there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;stretching back to the Paul Bennewitz&#8221; !?! As Eddie Izzard put it, impersonating an American, &#8220;Yeah, we have houses here that are FIFTY years old!&#8221;</p>
<p>I would hope that these guys would do some kind of nod to Maury Island and Crisman&#8217;s involvement in the covert intelligence operations/UFO link dating back to &#8216;47 and likely to have included the JFK assassination.</p>
<p>Tell &#8216;em to come out and talk to me at ConCon in San Jose. You gonna be there?</p>
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