Maybe I misunderstood. I was far from offended by anything you said. My Igloo quip was merely a play on words and emotion. I was seeking to engage you in debate or even banter if thats what you felt like doing.

My thinking is that debate and exchange of ideas is going to carry us much further in these studies than hunting down discarded spark plugs and old newspapers at “alien crash sites.”

If anyone is stiffling their own speech or ideas for my benefit they had better stop right now. That isn’t going to help anyone. As far as being offended by subject matter; also won’t happen. I’ve spent time in the infantry and I am numb even to the most pornographic of insults.

If I have stepped on toes I apologise, but I also think it will be useful in this “town hall” of UFOlogy expirament. Thanks.

Jesse

Nope, all is fine re postings. Always glad to hear what you have to say on issues.

Those are some interesting thoughts. I am not sure what you refer to with “the bible program.”

As far as UFOs being run on gas?
Well, I have often thought that crude oil and gasoline had paranormal properties. In fact I am not 100% convinced that they are not resources that actually replennish, appear and disappear almost randomly around the world. But I guess thats just one mans crackpot theory.

Jess

I’m not sure what the ultimate outcome would be. In a hypotethical situation, if things got really bad I would hope that people would realize what was going on. The Poll Tax events proved that push the people too far and then you’ll see what happens.

as Paul (Kimball) says, many’ve made predictions over the centuries predicting the imminent doom of mankind, and no such end has so far materialised, but never before has there been a time when a small highly dedicated group or even a single extremely clever individual could produce the kind of weaponry that could effect precisely such an apocalypse.

I lived on the housing estate the Toxteth Riots basically began and ended on, and that was a microcosm of the sort of apocalyptic vision outlined above. Even before the riots broke out, the police were trying to do this Blairesque thing of constantly trying to control and monitor our every movements whenever we tried to leave or get back on the estate - the ultimate result being the riots.

My main hope is that all of this manoeuvring and jockeying for position on whose vision for the future of the world gets to predominate is down to an underlying global sense that things as they presently stand are throughly crap, and getting ever crapper -especially for kids and young people - and therefore heralds the possibility some new inconceivable paradigm is struggling to emerge.

But people being people, I suppose, they’d have to be made thoroughly and utterly disillusioned with the present situation before they’d willingly surrender it for any such new one.

If you lived in an igloo, you would be cooler. Is that cryptic enough?

I don’t think Bush is a traitor, he is a spokes-figurehead for a system even he does not understand. A system that looks out for it’s own protection and uses the nation to hold it up. Since the economy is the energy source for this system, the system will destroy anything that threatens the economy. I.E. we invaded Iraq shortly after Saddam started selling oil for Euros. It’s almost brainless, but cold, logical and utterly ruthless. To make matters worse it is international and many many people serve the system, including me and you. It is the thing that Patrick McGoohan was fighting against throughout the famous “Prisoner” TV series and the awful truth is that every one of us is “Number 1″

That being said, I have to believe in my own right that the biblical end of world scenario is likely to occur. I just can’t say when or that I would even recognise it as it went down.

No, things are not getting better, but then people didn’t didn’t think things were great when Pandemic flu killed millions in a single year or 44 thousand soldiers died on one day at the battle of Verdun. How about the seige of Jerusalem in 70 A.D? Titus killed more Jews than Hitler ever thought of killing.

So, maybe things arn’t all that bad right now.

Jess