Madness
On several occasions previously I have discussed my views on why “the aliens” have no intention of coming down to “save us.” Based on this story, I’m more convinced than ever that we’re not even worth saving. It truly has to be read to be believed.
As the story demonstrates, hunters and fishermen are getting worried about global warming. And so they should. But wait for it: it’s not the fact that the planet is going down the drain that worries them. No, not at all. Their concern is that global warming is now starting to affect their ability to enjoy certain “outdoor experiences” and “traditions.” And what are those aforementioned traditions and outdoor experiences? Killing animals for sport!
Is our society really at a point where the most important thing to some people about global warming is that it will take away their ability to slaughter animals for mindless, macho-driven entertainment? If the answer to that question is yes, then the world has truly gone insane.
If the aliens really are up there, doubtless they are shaking their big grey heads in complete and utter disbelief.
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Mar 09 2007 
March 9th, 2007 at 10:30 am
We are pretty stupid.
March 9th, 2007 at 11:03 am
I will never be able to understand how someone can derive pleasure from killing. Let us all be thankful that (as far as we know) the aliens are not of the same mind set, because some of the arguments used in favor of hunting, such as controlling populatiions could be used by them to hunt us.
March 9th, 2007 at 11:20 am
Nick:
I understand the knee-jerk reaction some people have against hunting, but I hope those people are vegans, because otherwise it always strikes me as a bit hypocritical.
I’ve hunted (not for years, mind you), and fished, and did so not for sport (which I admit is a bit daft in my opinion), but because I enjoyed the food. You can’t really buy moose meat in your corner store (I never hunted moose, but was happy to have it when my uncles would kill one and send some our way).
As for controlling populations, I presume you refer to the seal hunt, which is something I support. Again, it always chuffs me a bit to see folks from away trying to tell other people how they should live their lives, and manage their resources. Those cite little baby seals grow up to be big, fish-munchin’ monsters - those are the pics you never see on the Greenpeace ads.
Anyway, that’s enough ranting for one day. Just thought I’d provide the other side of the truth.
Paul
March 9th, 2007 at 12:37 pm
Paulkimball:
Hunting for food is one thing, hunting for pleasure is another. If you hunt because you like the taste of wild meat I can understand that. What I can’t understand is how anyone can kill for fun. I don’t belong to Greenpeace and I don’t want to tell people how to live their lives. As for controlling populations, you have to admit if any species is over-populating the planet it is us. And without saying if it is right or wrong, any alien that decides sound management of the human population is in order could use it as a reason to hunt us.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
Paul
My main concern is based less around the arguments for and against hunting and eating meat, etc., but more around the fact that with the environment changing for the worse, all these people can seemingly do is worry about how it will affect their hunting activities.
I understand that for many people (particularly in the US - not in the UK where your house or car may very well get fire-bombed if you’re a known serious hunter) hunting is an acceptable cultural thing that has gone on for generations.
Plus, I’m not an American, I’m not allowed to vote, and so it’s certainly not my place to go to someone else’s country and tell the people there what they should or should not be doing from a cultural perspective.
Just in the same way that it would be wrong for someone to lecture us Brits on the fact that we socialise to a very large degree by going down the pub every weekend or that very few Brits attend church (believe me, I have had far more than a belly-full of preachy comments about both issues over the years here).
My point is that instead of worrying and complaining that there won’t be any deer to kill next year because of global warming or that the fish are vanishing from the rivers, they should be thinking about whether or not their grand-children and great-grand-children will actually have a planet to live on in the future.
To me at least, it seems that the fact that some hunter can’t go out and kill a few animals each weekend is far down the scale of importance. The problem as I see it is that some of these people don’t see this, and they have their priorities the wrong way around.
Okay, you have hunted. And that’s part of your culture in Canada. But I know that if Global Warming became really serious, you personally would be far more concerned by everyday effects on the world and the future population - and not on the fact that you couldn’t go hunting anymore.
I just find it astonishing that these people are recognizing that global warming is real, but their *first* thought is to their guns ‘n’ ammo and bagging a few animals, rather than what it will mean to the lives of their families in the future.
Seems to me their priorities are in totally the wrong order.
Nick
March 9th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
I’m a hunter, and a fisher. I don’t kill for fun, I eat what I kill. Seriously, I can’t say I get that much enjoyment for killing animals. I mean, one of my rabbits dies and I break down crying for hours. However, I think hunting shouldn’t be your first concern when considering global warming. I’m too worried about the animals that are dying from global warming, than how I can’t kill them because of global warming. It’s too bad when some people hear of global warming, they don’t think of the world’s future, or the future of their children, just their animals they won’t be able to hunt down
March 9th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
As a sportsman and outdoorsman, I feel it safe to say that your misunderstand the hunter’s point-of-view. The average sport hunter is far more in touch with nature than the urban treehugger vegans who’ve reared their narrow minded heads lately. They put there money where there mouth is: much of the cost and fees of hunting go directly into conservation efforts. Why shouldn’t they be concerned about the loss of natural habitat and the fauna it supports? You opine that their reasons for wanting to preserve the natural environment is selfish and shallow but yours isn’t? Global warming had been occuring since the last ice age. Is human industrial activity contributing signifacantly to it? Modern science doesn’t know enough about climatolgy and the forces that drive it to accurately access humanity’s contribution yet. Is modern humanity squandering our world’s natural resources at an alarming rate and polluting the environment? Absoultely! Can we save ourselves from self destruction? Again, absolutely! If the caldera at Yellowstone erupts or a comet or asteroid of sufficient size hit the earth next week, can we survive the following disaster? Only time will tell. The same is true with golbal warming.
March 10th, 2007 at 8:09 am
crgintx:
I understand what you are saying, but I think that you (and others) have totallty missed my point.
As I noted in my reply to Paul Kimball’s comment on this above: my sheer amazement and disbelief was based not on the fact that these people are hunters (depsite what you say, I do recognize that this is a part of US culture and as a non-American, it’s not my place to say that the way they live is wrong); but on the fact that with respect to Global Warming, their response was not how GW would affect their families and future generations; but how it would affect their ability to kill animals.
Would I go hunting? No I wouldn’t. But I *am* tolerant of people whose cultural activities are different to mine - just in the same way that I will do absolutely whatever is necessary to uphold my way of life and my cultural activities.
So being tolerant of hunters (or not) has nothing at all to do with my amazement about the original story.
I am (as above) absolutely amazed, however, that with the environment possibly collapsing in the next 100 years (if not before), all these people seem to be worrying about is whether it will adversely affect their ability to bag a few deer and duck.
My point is that their priorities concerning GW demonstrated in the article are vastly off-track - not a debate on whether hunting should be tolerated or not.
Nick
March 10th, 2007 at 11:47 am
To try to get the original point regarding the aliens’ not coming to save us. From what I have gleened of the subject. Abductions have been happening for sometime now, believe it or not. It appears that the aliens have already disruppted their gene pool from their so called advancements and dirty deeds. It appears they need humans to survive just as man believe they need flesh in their bellies to survive. I have nothing against meatatarians; but, if you have to eat it sooner then it can be reproduced, sooner then later it will perish. These so called aliens have not been anymore honest then the politicians, everything is done in secret and the blame is passed on to the next to deal with. It appears to be a treehugger is worst then being a logger; yet, I’ve never seen one of these loggers ever plant a tree. With this cry of global warming blamed on the people when the real cause is probably from the industrialist and their need to supply war mongers with firearms and bombs to heat up the continual need to heat things up. These aliens aren’t that much better then humanity all talk no respect or lovin action. No heat intended.
March 10th, 2007 at 2:37 pm
Firstly, the aliens can go screw themsleves as far as I’m concerned. If they’re real, they’ve never done us any favors that I’m aware of. As an observer of both the world of nature and human nature, nature has just one cardinal rule: adapt to your environment or die. There’s no moralizing or need to justify our species’s continued presence with nature. All this conjecturing about whether humans deserve to survive is just wasted brain power. All humans regardless of race,creed or sex are here to contribute the survival of the species in some small fashion. IMHO All the why thinkers need a good shock to the system so they can help figure out how we’re going to adapt to the environmental changes brought on by global warming. Wake up and smell the coffee!
March 10th, 2007 at 8:33 pm
Yep, we will probably need to adapt if we are to survive if the world’s environment continues to change.
As for the “aliens” (or whatever they are), they will never help us. Ever. They are not our friends.
See my specific post (link below) of some time back on that: Why I Hate The Aliens
I just hope people get their priorities straight about what is important about the effects of global warming. The future of the planet is. The future of life on earth is. How it might affect some guy from bagging a few deer and duck is not.
March 12th, 2007 at 12:33 am
Nick:
I think you’ll find that many hunters and fishers (not all, of course) are some of the most ardent environmentalists, because they have a much better appreciation of the delicate balance in nature than folks who spend all their time in the cities and super-malls, and whose entire knowledge of global warming (or, more appropriately, climate change) comes from seeing “An Inconvenient Truth”.
As for their motives, I think it’s usually a bit more complex than what you present, although I would add that the old political maxim, “all politics is local,” remains very true, i.e. most issues only resonate with us if they actually have an impact on something we do.
Paul
March 12th, 2007 at 9:45 am
Paul
I actually agree with you that many hunting and fishing types have a greater appreciation of the outdoors world than do city types.
However, as I have stressed, I was not targeting hunters because they are hunters. If people hunt for food, then I have no problem with that; because it is indeed correct to say that people who eat meat have no right to complain if hunting goes on, when their beef or chicken comes from a slaughter-house.
However, I really don’t see how killing animals for fun, pleasure or sport (however people want to describe it) is justifiable. Or how people *can* even derive pleasure from it. But that’s just my view.
I can’t even imagine how mounting a deer’s head on someone’s living room wall can be seen as a good thing. Maybe it’s a cultural thing that I don’t understand. If so, then so be it.
The whole point of my blog-post was this: I was dismayed that people are getting worried about their ability to kill animals rather than focusing on the bigger picture. And that’s it.
Hypothetically, if the article had been based around water-skiers who were complaining that they could no longer water-ski on their favorite lake because GW had dried the lake up, my comments would have been directed at them.
The issue (to me at least) is not whether the comments were made by hunters, water-skiers, policemen, doctors, lion-tamers, or pole-dancing strippers.
My point is that human beings (collectively) when faced with an issue that *may” turn out to be devastating to our world, should worry more about the future of the world and less about things that are far down the scale - such as killing animals for sport.
March 12th, 2007 at 10:14 am
Nick:
I agree with you 100% re: killing for sport.
As for the rest, I stress again the “all politics are local” mantra. One should never be too worried why people are motivated to be concerned; one should be thankful that they have been.
Or, to borrow another wll-known phrase, politics can make for strange bedfellows.
Paul
March 12th, 2007 at 10:52 pm
Paul: The voice of reason.
Nick,
Well-argued, and I pretty much agree with you. You’ve gotten more replies to this in a couple of days than anything recently, and it’s not directly related to UFOs! Maybe I’ll finish my piece on Intelligent Design and put it up soon. Hot-button topics drive the traffic!
March 13th, 2007 at 7:53 am
Greg:
You… you… capitalist!
Paul
March 13th, 2007 at 10:33 am
Hey guys… Maybe I have been wrong, maybe the aliens don’t need our gene pool they just need to hunt, tag, and stick probes up or asses and say their here to save us from our selves. While their slaves in politics and media keep telling us its in your head. Grow up and have a ear as all the fish and flesh builders are a dying breed because of your given need of the great industrial alien technology.